EPTkids are becoming vegetals
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China Blocks Gaming For More Than 3 Hours - Page 4
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Kacas
Brazil3143 Posts
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2shy
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This called LEADING ,not FORCING you won't be arrested if you play more than 3 hours 3 hours is enough for me and for most of us the government really care about the kids not the money What does this has to do with democracy? | ||
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
On August 27 2005 00:01 Excalibur_Z wrote: Sky is right. I can't believe there are so many people in this thread who like the government running its people's lives. The government should have no say regarding to what degree people play games. I will explain a bit from the American point of view. In America, the people are granted the power by birthright, and it is then lended to the government. By the will of the people, various fundamental laws are created, but they must never infringe upon their basic rights. I don't know how it is in China - maybe the government controls all the power, but that's not the way it works here. The main argument I'm seeing by haduken is that kids and youths become addicted to video games, then use up all their family's money and contribute nothing in return, and turn out to be failures. Why does the government have anything to do with it? That is up to individual families to decide. Look, I'm 22 years old. I can say swiftly that if I didn't have a job and wasn't currently saving money to move into my own place, my parents would throw me out of the house. They wouldn't do it to be cruel, they would do it as a last resort, because they know that if I wasn't pushed that I wouldn't accomplish anything. In any case, that is my parents' decision to make, because it's their house. You say the government speaks for the people, and many concerned families encourage this legislature because it means their kids will be forced to contribute to society. However, why should my neighbor's family have anything to say about what happens to me? Why does their will trump the will of my own family? Your are absolutely right but there is one thing that you've missed. The issue is in CHINA not in America. I won't bother arguing with you whether democracy is good or not and i do agree that some part of my culture is very very backward. Still your example of american individualism does not apply here. I will try my best to explain my culture to you, you can laugh at that, you can call it stupid but hey its how my people think? just like how folks in USA likes football. Chinese believes that each person is responsible for caring another. a child is responsible for caring for his parents, the parents are responsible for caring his children, the society is suppose to care for the people. And some times i think they are protecting too much but like everything there are the bad and good sides to it. This way of thinking has been embedded in our thinkings since the beginning of our culture (i don't want to write any 5000 years thing) and i believe is a major factor in why we have the type of government we have now and making us individuals less capable to think on our own terms. Regardless, you must be reminded that this is the way China is now, and this will not change for at least another 50 years. We must be practical, you know democracy is not going to happen in a few months, the people is not ready, the culture is not ready and you can not expect the people to practice and believe your ideal when they don't even appreciate it. People do not recognize the extend of the addiction in China and the social problems it has created. The only organization that is in a position to do something about it IS the government and i believe they have done this in accordance with the expectations of the culture. Obviously you would never expect a democractic government to implement similiar measures in a western country but IMO a western country would probably never have a video games addiction problem like the extend in China. | ||
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Caution
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naventus
United States1337 Posts
Whether or not the government has a role in our lives is left to the government/culture/people. But the issue here is that the US, nor any government, is a shining example of individualism. Of course we are much better at it, and our innovation/entrepreneurship has carried us far. But, my point is that our country does many of the same things that you bitch about. It is HYPOCRITICAL to do so. Examples? How about Patriot Act? Is that not the government barging in on its people "for their good" but not necessarily in their consent? How about the failed temperance movement+amendment oh so long ago? Admittingly, the US government has mostly kept off the personal affairs of people- but that depends where you draw the line. My point is that in many ways this is not just a fault of government to overregulate, but of people. Issues like these arrive because they are in part caused by human nature that is universal. To point fingers at X country and claim they are fools and obviously ignorant is stupid and hypocritical. These are issues that must be faced with insight, understanding, and a devotion to solve them. There is no simple and few-worded approach because you would simply be coloring over the colors with black and whites, and missing the complexity. | ||
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Chibi[OWNS]
United Kingdom10597 Posts
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On August 27 2005 00:01 Excalibur_Z wrote: Sky is right. I can't believe there are so many people in this thread who like the government running its people's lives. The government should have no say regarding to what degree people play games. I will explain a bit from the American point of view. In America, the people are granted the power by birthright, and it is then lended to the government. By the will of the people, various fundamental laws are created, but they must never infringe upon their basic rights. I don't know how it is in China - maybe the government controls all the power, but that's not the way it works here. The main argument I'm seeing by haduken is that kids and youths become addicted to video games, then use up all their family's money and contribute nothing in return, and turn out to be failures. Why does the government have anything to do with it? That is up to individual families to decide. Look, I'm 22 years old. I can say swiftly that if I didn't have a job and wasn't currently saving money to move into my own place, my parents would throw me out of the house. They wouldn't do it to be cruel, they would do it as a last resort, because they know that if I wasn't pushed that I wouldn't accomplish anything. In any case, that is my parents' decision to make, because it's their house. You say the government speaks for the people, and many concerned families encourage this legislature because it means their kids will be forced to contribute to society. However, why should my neighbor's family have anything to say about what happens to me? Why does their will trump the will of my own family? As just a general base. Asian culture is very very much oriented on family, people, etc... Parents in asian countries, in most cases, would not throw their child into the street to fend for themselves. They love their kids, and when the kids are older and successful, it is expected that the children will take care of them. This is how the cycle goes. They are also very friendly usually, towards neighbours and most people they meet. This isnt a case where Family X with the problem is really pissing off Family Y that doesnt, because if Family Y doesnt have the problem they really wont mind. The kids in Y might game a bit, but not enough that it contricts what they would normally do, while it sets forced guidelines for X to follow. The government made a decision that would reflect the cultures wishes. You will also note that the outcry is coming from western gamers, not asian. You might ask why, well youve seen some of their responces. This is not a decision that infringes on the Chinese culture in the way you make it sound, they dont have a true democracy, nor do they have a true communist society, its more of a mix now. The difference you should realize is China is not America, its beliefs, values and way of operating is completely different. It isnt an individualistic system, its one based more upon people. In a sense, they system opens up for better human relation, while ours teaches us to fend for ourselves and walk over anyone who gets in our way. And as China is not America, this decision in no stretch violates any breach you might feel in their culture on any level thats serious. If this wasnt a problem, the government wouldnt have stepped in to try and fix it. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28784 Posts
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
On August 27 2005 09:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As just a general base. Asian culture is very very much oriented on family, people, etc... Parents in asian countries, in most cases, would not throw their child into the street to fend for themselves. They love their kids, and when the kids are older and successful, it is expected that the children will take care of them. This is how the cycle goes. They are also very friendly usually, towards neighbours and most people they meet. This isnt a case where Family X with the problem is really pissing off Family Y that doesnt, because if Family Y doesnt have the problem they really wont mind. The kids in Y might game a bit, but not enough that it contricts what they would normally do, while it sets forced guidelines for X to follow. The government made a decision that would reflect the cultures wishes. You will also note that the outcry is coming from western gamers, not asian. You might ask why, well youve seen some of their responces. This is not a decision that infringes on the Chinese culture in the way you make it sound, they dont have a true democracy, nor do they have a true communist society, its more of a mix now. The difference you should realize is China is not America, its beliefs, values and way of operating is completely different. It isnt an individualistic system, its one based more upon people. In a sense, they system opens up for better human relation, while ours teaches us to fend for ourselves and walk over anyone who gets in our way. And as China is not America, this decision in no stretch violates any breach you might feel in their culture on any level thats serious. If this wasnt a problem, the government wouldnt have stepped in to try and fix it. Didn't you just repeat what i've wrote? | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
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RaiZ
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I would also add one point about gaming : Just think one thing, what would you say if this law was decided long before WoW and then play it? You would surelly say that : This game is really stupid because it takes more than 3 hours to finish a fuking level, I really don't have all this time just to finish this stupid scene... I dunno if you can realise but try to think about how far this way would go. To resume : i won't blame the government. | ||
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TreK
Sweden2089 Posts
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1INK
United States630 Posts
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MoltkeWarding
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camooT
United States1354 Posts
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haduken
Australia8267 Posts
On August 27 2005 11:53 TreK[cF] wrote: how long of a break do u have to take? 3 hours play = 3 hours break ? It would be so freaking easy to bypass that. All you need is rewrite the windows clock, hell i bet you can just change the clock settings like a day or a year then all is fine. | ||
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NeVeRDiEDrOnE
Korea (South)227 Posts
Now that the "children" cant finance themselves and so have less rights in statements, I say the only one who has right to decide is who finances them. So family, not goverment. This belongs to just basic rules of the game and not keeping it causes problems regardless in which culture. Transfering the government the responsibility for free-time spending of their children isnt only expression of laziness from the parents, its dangerous too. But generally, its a symptom frequently seen in asian places. For example in my mother country, parents have nothing against it when their children arent allowed to have long hair(they actually believe controlling the length of hair brings better marks), and when they get beaten in schools(they might have something against it but are too lazy). These two issues are causing much discussion(but not enough) in Korea. Anyway, my conclusions: 1.Regulating the price is the better way than limiting/prohibiting, and its the only way too a government should act. 2.Limiting and not regulating is a pure laziness of I.) the chinese government who doesnt want to touch a complecated issue, and II.) the parents who would rather say "Its forbidden by the state so dont do it" than helping them finding a "more productive" hobby in their opinion. 3.Some people should change their opinion of gaming a bit when lots of studies are coming up that gaming developes many useful psychological abilities actually. | ||
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Random()
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
On August 27 2005 07:42 haduken wrote: People do not recognize the extend of the addiction in China and the social problems it has created. The only organization that is in a position to do something about it IS the government and i believe they have done this in accordance with the expectations of the culture. Obviously you would never expect a democractic government to implement similiar measures in a western country but IMO a western country would probably never have a video games addiction problem like the extend in China. Indeed, I cannot imagine the extent. Honestly, I cannot even imagine "addiction". Tell me, who here does? Yes, I can play for 10 hours straight when I could do something better, I can do it every day for a week, but never if I actually HAVE to do something. I just physically won't be able to play if something I should do hangs over me. And "addiction" means vice versa! If you consider that, how can you think of this law as "retarded"? It is literally a law limiting drug use, if you consider what haduken says! And why are drugs still illegal in your perfect democratic society? Where is democracy, if you cannot be on heroine anytime you like? | ||
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
On August 27 2005 09:34 naventus wrote: You people are so fucking narrow minded. I don't understand how you can put forth a logical argument without even really thinking about everything that's going on. This is especially directed at Sky and Excal. Whether or not the government has a role in our lives is left to the government/culture/people. But the issue here is that the US, nor any government, is a shining example of individualism. Of course we are much better at it, and our innovation/entrepreneurship has carried us far. But, my point is that our country does many of the same things that you bitch about. It is HYPOCRITICAL to do so. Examples? How about Patriot Act? Is that not the government barging in on its people "for their good" but not necessarily in their consent? How about the failed temperance movement+amendment oh so long ago? Admittingly, the US government has mostly kept off the personal affairs of people- but that depends where you draw the line. My point is that in many ways this is not just a fault of government to overregulate, but of people. Issues like these arrive because they are in part caused by human nature that is universal. To point fingers at X country and claim they are fools and obviously ignorant is stupid and hypocritical. These are issues that must be faced with insight, understanding, and a devotion to solve them. There is no simple and few-worded approach because you would simply be coloring over the colors with black and whites, and missing the complexity. This isn't as complicated as you're making it out to be. Either government action is an instance of protecting citizens from force or fraud, or it is out of line. While I don't agree with policies like the patriot act, it is blown out of proportion and is NOTHING compared to the totalitarian control of people's lives in China. Government overregulation, as you put it, can only be the fault of the people if you don't treat the human right to liberty as axiomatic. Also, to those mentioning the word democracy, democracy and government encroachment on people's lives is compatible. You have to grant people basic rights that no amount of voting would take away. | ||
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