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Dear OP,
for the sake of arguement, please tell me what makes you think America is a civilized country?
Lots of people hate the US, many will even say that our actions show that we are, in fact, a rather UNcinvilized country (one of the only countries who is NOT "3rd world" and still has the death penalty, and people fucking love it. Hell in Texas they have ways to make your execution come sooner I.E express lane) So my question is to you i guess, what makes us "better" than other countries to where you wouldn't expect this from someone in the military? America has just as many atrocities as the next country.
It does not matter that I live in the USA, because I am still connected to the humans and the problems that come with other humans AROUND THE WORLD. In todays world we can no longer accept and think that when something happens to someone else in another country it does not have an impact on yourself becasue we are all one species, homosapiens.
That being said, this guy deserves way fucking longer than 3 months for what he did. You are right op that here it just shows that Americans do not value the Iraqi people very highly.
It makes me sick to my stomach thinking that the Government of my country is able to spread their fears and lies around the world without any repercussion
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On January 24 2012 09:44 liberal wrote:
Not sure what kind of discussion we can actually have here. But this isn't so much a discussion thread as a "let's criticize the US again" thread. I'm sure you will get at least one or two Americans who will say something ignorant and bait everyone to argue against them.
Similar thoughts ran through my head, especially when I saw that neither an Iraqi nor an American created the topic. And we even had "DeepElemBlues" filling the role of the ignorant.
It seems like no one really said "this man deserves the very limited punishment he got". It's simply a ruling to be condemned by all (including Americans), and for some posters (including Americans) to also add an anti-US comment on the way before hitting post.
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On January 28 2012 02:37 eits wrote:
Dear OP,
for the sake of arguement, please tell me what makes you think America is a civilized country?
Lots of people hate the US, many will even say that our actions show that we are, in fact, a rather UNcinvilized country (one of the only countries who is NOT "3rd world" and still has the death penalty, and people fucking love it. Hell in Texas they have ways to make your execution come sooner I.E express lane) So my question is to you i guess, what makes us "better" than other countries to where you wouldn't expect this from someone in the military? America has just as many atrocities as the next country.
It does not matter that I live in the USA, because I am still connected to the humans and the problems that come with other humans AROUND THE WORLD. In todays world we can no longer accept and think that when something happens to someone else in another country it does not have an impact on yourself becasue we are all one species, homosapiens.
That being said, this guy deserves way fucking longer than 3 months for what he did. You are right op that here it just shows that Americans do not value the Iraqi people very highly.
It makes me sick to my stomach thinking that the Government of my country is able to spread their fears and lies around the world without any repercussion
/Sigh do you judge the morale of the country based on the few? Are you going to say EVERY U.S soldier who is/was in Iraq don't value Iraqi lives at all? Because i think thats disgusting maybe i am taking your post out of context if so please tell. But for every atrocious encounter such as this i can guarantee you there is a heart warming story of an America soldier risking their life for an Iraqi. Of course the only things we ever hear about are controversial actions such as these. That being said have a little more faith in your own country or at least the men and women serving in uniform.
Now the only part you are wrong about in the last section is their lies, the government did not lie about it they just sort of hoped they could shuffle this past the press and in a few years everyone will forget about which i DO find absolutely horrid and i believe there needs to be a change somewhere if this kind of atrocities is allowed with such a lenient sentencing.
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On January 28 2012 03:01 DreamChaser wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 02:37 eits wrote:
Dear OP,
for the sake of arguement, please tell me what makes you think America is a civilized country?
Lots of people hate the US, many will even say that our actions show that we are, in fact, a rather UNcinvilized country (one of the only countries who is NOT "3rd world" and still has the death penalty, and people fucking love it. Hell in Texas they have ways to make your execution come sooner I.E express lane) So my question is to you i guess, what makes us "better" than other countries to where you wouldn't expect this from someone in the military? America has just as many atrocities as the next country.
It does not matter that I live in the USA, because I am still connected to the humans and the problems that come with other humans AROUND THE WORLD. In todays world we can no longer accept and think that when something happens to someone else in another country it does not have an impact on yourself becasue we are all one species, homosapiens.
That being said, this guy deserves way fucking longer than 3 months for what he did. You are right op that here it just shows that Americans do not value the Iraqi people very highly.
It makes me sick to my stomach thinking that the Government of my country is able to spread their fears and lies around the world without any repercussion
/Sigh do you judge the morale of the country based on the few? Are you going to say EVERY U.S soldier who is/was in Iraq don't value Iraqi lives at all? Because i think thats disgusting maybe i am taking your post out of context if so please tell. But for every atrocious encounter such as this i can guarantee you there is a heart warming story of an America soldier risking their life for an Iraqi. Of course the only things we ever hear about are controversial actions such as these. That being said have a little more faith in your own country or at least the men and women serving in uniform. Now the only part you are wrong about in the last section is their lies, the government did not lie about it they just sort of hoped they could shuffle this past the press and in a few years everyone will forget about which i DO find absolutely horrid and i believe there needs to be a change somewhere if this kind of atrocities is allowed with such a lenient sentencing.
I was being too general with my statement, i see where it can seem vague, i apologize. When I say fear and lies, I mean the general usage we see of the two from our government (I.E terrorism, not the only one however) And you are absolutely 100% correct about the American soldiers who help out Iraqis, I know now I should have put more emphasis on Americas history of war instead of making it seem like I was only talking about this one. I look up to the troops a lot. one of my friends is a vet and lost both eyes due to an IED as a humvee driver and he drove the humvee blind through the battlefield to save his friends. You are right, the actions of few do not dictate the actions of the general population, but, just because this case came forward what else is being hidden? I'm a pessimist at my core, and sometimes I focus too much on the negative, so thank you for showing me a little positive in light of this situation too.
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On January 28 2012 02:37 eits wrote:
Dear OP,
for the sake of arguement, please tell me what makes you think America is a civilized country?
Lots of people hate the US, many will even say that our actions show that we are, in fact, a rather UNcinvilized country (one of the only countries who is NOT "3rd world" and still has the death penalty, and people fucking love it. Hell in Texas they have ways to make your execution come sooner I.E express lane) So my question is to you i guess, what makes us "better" than other countries to where you wouldn't expect this from someone in the military? America has just as many atrocities as the next country.
It does not matter that I live in the USA, because I am still connected to the humans and the problems that come with other humans AROUND THE WORLD. In todays world we can no longer accept and think that when something happens to someone else in another country it does not have an impact on yourself becasue we are all one species, homosapiens.
That being said, this guy deserves way fucking longer than 3 months for what he did. You are right op that here it just shows that Americans do not value the Iraqi people very highly.
It makes me sick to my stomach thinking that the Government of my country is able to spread their fears and lies around the world without any repercussion
Two points.
1. The government most certainly lied about it. The only reason the massacre came to light was because a student made a video of the aftermath. The official explanation was that a road side bomb had killed civilians and 1 american soldier. When Time got the video and heard the interview of the 10 year old survivor of the massacre is when the investigation happened. Even then it was a piss poor job of it, with the government dumping a ton of the materials in an Iraqi landfill to be rescued by the NYT. Infact if you really want to have a good cry, you should listen to the interview of the girl. And if you want to be hopping mad, you should listen to the interview by Wuterich where he points out how they went into the house.
2. Every single american soldier in Iraq is there to enforce an illegal war and illegal occupation. That they don't all think or act like Wuterich doesn't excuse their presence. And this isn't an isolated incidence. Mai Lai is an obvious predecessor and also resulted in no real punishment. Infact the hero of Mai Lai (Thomspon) was threatened with punishment for trying to stop the massacre by a member of congress. The entire structure of the military is focused on rooting out dissension, covering up bad pr and punishing whistleblowers instead of the criminals.
And Wuterich didn't get 3 months in prison. He got no time in prison, no decrease in pay. Atleast he didn't get a medal like the ship captain who shot down Iran Air 655.
edit:
Here is a damning fact that I wasn't aware of earlier.
The "Medina standard" is based upon the 1971 prosecution of US Army Captain Ernest Medina in connection with the My Lai Massacre during the Vietnam War.[10] It holds that a commanding officer, being aware of a human rights violation or a war crime, will be held criminally liable when he does not take action. However, Medina was acquitted of all charges.[8][11][12]
Both damning for Wuterich and for the UCMJ which didn't punish Medina.
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On January 28 2012 08:48 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 02:37 eits wrote:
Dear OP,
for the sake of arguement, please tell me what makes you think America is a civilized country?
Lots of people hate the US, many will even say that our actions show that we are, in fact, a rather UNcinvilized country (one of the only countries who is NOT "3rd world" and still has the death penalty, and people fucking love it. Hell in Texas they have ways to make your execution come sooner I.E express lane) So my question is to you i guess, what makes us "better" than other countries to where you wouldn't expect this from someone in the military? America has just as many atrocities as the next country.
It does not matter that I live in the USA, because I am still connected to the humans and the problems that come with other humans AROUND THE WORLD. In todays world we can no longer accept and think that when something happens to someone else in another country it does not have an impact on yourself becasue we are all one species, homosapiens.
That being said, this guy deserves way fucking longer than 3 months for what he did. You are right op that here it just shows that Americans do not value the Iraqi people very highly.
It makes me sick to my stomach thinking that the Government of my country is able to spread their fears and lies around the world without any repercussion
Two points. 1. The government most certainly lied about it. The only reason the massacre came to light was because a student made a video of the aftermath. The official explanation was that a road side bomb had killed civilians and 1 american soldier. When Time got the video and heard the interview of the 10 year old survivor of the massacre is when the investigation happened. Even then it was a piss poor job of it, with the government dumping a ton of the materials in an Iraqi landfill to be rescued by the NYT. Infact if you really want to have a good cry, you should listen to the interview of the girl. And if you want to be hopping mad, you should listen to the interview by Wuterich where he points out how they went into the house. 2. Every single american soldier in Iraq is there to enforce an illegal war and illegal occupation. That they don't all think or act like Wuterich doesn't excuse their presence. And this isn't an isolated incidence. Mai Lai is an obvious predecessor and also resulted in no real punishment. Infact the hero of Mai Lai (Thomspon) was threatened with punishment for trying to stop the massacre by a member of congress. The entire structure of the military is focused on rooting out dissension, covering up bad pr and punishing whistleblowers instead of the criminals. And Wuterich didn't get 3 months in prison. He got no time in prison, no decrease in pay. Atleast he didn't get a medal like the ship captain who shot down Iran Air 655.
here's the answer to everyone's questions about why the US is such a "civilized" country. we're the best country in the world, look at our gdp and research programs. we've achieved a capitalist economy which cannot be rivaled with stability by any other nation in the world. people try to shit on the US because their countries are such a joke in comparison, it happened to the British empire too. we have a few crazy soldiers, sorry it happens when you're under stress in combat. if the rest of the world doesn't like it, they can challenge the US in a war or with economic sanctions.. wait, both of those are suicide in the greatest sense of the word? sorry then, you don't have a say. everyone makes mistakes, stop flinging shit about an isolated incident. what makes the US better than iraq? we don't use fucking poison gas when we fight, and we haven't initiated a holy war against half of our civilians.. the US is led by reason, not by a book like the koran, or the bible for that matter..
"It makes me sick to my stomach thinking that the Government of my country is able to spread their fears and lies around the world without any repercussion"
the fact that the US schooling system has failed this person so bad makes me "sick to my stomach," because one government isn't fucking capitalized, and two how does this even spread fears and lies? if anything it's unjust, it's not spreading fears or lies.. spreading fears/lies would be killing people who know about the event, then lying about it..
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On January 28 2012 08:59 Endymion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 08:48 redviper wrote:On January 28 2012 02:37 eits wrote:
Dear OP,
for the sake of arguement, please tell me what makes you think America is a civilized country?
Lots of people hate the US, many will even say that our actions show that we are, in fact, a rather UNcinvilized country (one of the only countries who is NOT "3rd world" and still has the death penalty, and people fucking love it. Hell in Texas they have ways to make your execution come sooner I.E express lane) So my question is to you i guess, what makes us "better" than other countries to where you wouldn't expect this from someone in the military? America has just as many atrocities as the next country.
It does not matter that I live in the USA, because I am still connected to the humans and the problems that come with other humans AROUND THE WORLD. In todays world we can no longer accept and think that when something happens to someone else in another country it does not have an impact on yourself becasue we are all one species, homosapiens.
That being said, this guy deserves way fucking longer than 3 months for what he did. You are right op that here it just shows that Americans do not value the Iraqi people very highly.
It makes me sick to my stomach thinking that the Government of my country is able to spread their fears and lies around the world without any repercussion
Two points. 1. The government most certainly lied about it. The only reason the massacre came to light was because a student made a video of the aftermath. The official explanation was that a road side bomb had killed civilians and 1 american soldier. When Time got the video and heard the interview of the 10 year old survivor of the massacre is when the investigation happened. Even then it was a piss poor job of it, with the government dumping a ton of the materials in an Iraqi landfill to be rescued by the NYT. Infact if you really want to have a good cry, you should listen to the interview of the girl. And if you want to be hopping mad, you should listen to the interview by Wuterich where he points out how they went into the house. 2. Every single american soldier in Iraq is there to enforce an illegal war and illegal occupation. That they don't all think or act like Wuterich doesn't excuse their presence. And this isn't an isolated incidence. Mai Lai is an obvious predecessor and also resulted in no real punishment. Infact the hero of Mai Lai (Thomspon) was threatened with punishment for trying to stop the massacre by a member of congress. The entire structure of the military is focused on rooting out dissension, covering up bad pr and punishing whistleblowers instead of the criminals. And Wuterich didn't get 3 months in prison. He got no time in prison, no decrease in pay. Atleast he didn't get a medal like the ship captain who shot down Iran Air 655. here's the answer to everyone's questions about why the US is such a "civilized" country. we're the best country in the world, look at our gdp and research programs. we've achieved a capitalist economy which cannot be rivaled with stability by any other nation in the world. people try to shit on the US because their countries are such a joke in comparison, it happened to the British empire too. we have a few crazy soldiers, sorry it happens when you're under stress in combat. if the rest of the world doesn't like it, they can challenge the US in a war or with economic sanctions.. wait, both of those are suicide in the greatest sense of the word? sorry then, you don't have a say. everyone makes mistakes, stop flinging shit about an isolated incident. what makes the US better than iraq? we don't use fucking poison gas when we fight, and we haven't initiated a holy war against half of our civilians.. the US is led by reason, not by a book like the koran, or the bible for that matter.. "It makes me sick to my stomach thinking that the Government of my country is able to spread their fears and lies around the world without any repercussion" the fact that the US schooling system has failed this person so bad makes me "sick to my stomach," because one government isn't fucking capitalized, and two how does this even spread fears and lies? if anything it's unjust, it's not spreading fears or lies.. spreading fears/lies would be killing people who know about the event, then lying about it..
Is your post serious ?
I'm not sure if you are joking or just...
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On January 28 2012 09:12 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 08:59 Endymion wrote:On January 28 2012 08:48 redviper wrote:On January 28 2012 02:37 eits wrote:
Dear OP,
for the sake of arguement, please tell me what makes you think America is a civilized country?
Lots of people hate the US, many will even say that our actions show that we are, in fact, a rather UNcinvilized country (one of the only countries who is NOT "3rd world" and still has the death penalty, and people fucking love it. Hell in Texas they have ways to make your execution come sooner I.E express lane) So my question is to you i guess, what makes us "better" than other countries to where you wouldn't expect this from someone in the military? America has just as many atrocities as the next country.
It does not matter that I live in the USA, because I am still connected to the humans and the problems that come with other humans AROUND THE WORLD. In todays world we can no longer accept and think that when something happens to someone else in another country it does not have an impact on yourself becasue we are all one species, homosapiens.
That being said, this guy deserves way fucking longer than 3 months for what he did. You are right op that here it just shows that Americans do not value the Iraqi people very highly.
It makes me sick to my stomach thinking that the Government of my country is able to spread their fears and lies around the world without any repercussion
Two points. 1. The government most certainly lied about it. The only reason the massacre came to light was because a student made a video of the aftermath. The official explanation was that a road side bomb had killed civilians and 1 american soldier. When Time got the video and heard the interview of the 10 year old survivor of the massacre is when the investigation happened. Even then it was a piss poor job of it, with the government dumping a ton of the materials in an Iraqi landfill to be rescued by the NYT. Infact if you really want to have a good cry, you should listen to the interview of the girl. And if you want to be hopping mad, you should listen to the interview by Wuterich where he points out how they went into the house. 2. Every single american soldier in Iraq is there to enforce an illegal war and illegal occupation. That they don't all think or act like Wuterich doesn't excuse their presence. And this isn't an isolated incidence. Mai Lai is an obvious predecessor and also resulted in no real punishment. Infact the hero of Mai Lai (Thomspon) was threatened with punishment for trying to stop the massacre by a member of congress. The entire structure of the military is focused on rooting out dissension, covering up bad pr and punishing whistleblowers instead of the criminals. And Wuterich didn't get 3 months in prison. He got no time in prison, no decrease in pay. Atleast he didn't get a medal like the ship captain who shot down Iran Air 655. here's the answer to everyone's questions about why the US is such a "civilized" country. we're the best country in the world, look at our gdp and research programs. we've achieved a capitalist economy which cannot be rivaled with stability by any other nation in the world. people try to shit on the US because their countries are such a joke in comparison, it happened to the British empire too. we have a few crazy soldiers, sorry it happens when you're under stress in combat. if the rest of the world doesn't like it, they can challenge the US in a war or with economic sanctions.. wait, both of those are suicide in the greatest sense of the word? sorry then, you don't have a say. everyone makes mistakes, stop flinging shit about an isolated incident. what makes the US better than iraq? we don't use fucking poison gas when we fight, and we haven't initiated a holy war against half of our civilians.. the US is led by reason, not by a book like the koran, or the bible for that matter.. "It makes me sick to my stomach thinking that the Government of my country is able to spread their fears and lies around the world without any repercussion" the fact that the US schooling system has failed this person so bad makes me "sick to my stomach," because one government isn't fucking capitalized, and two how does this even spread fears and lies? if anything it's unjust, it's not spreading fears or lies.. spreading fears/lies would be killing people who know about the event, then lying about it.. Is your post serious ? I'm not sure if you are joking or just...
the ambiguity is just sooo teasing huh, kinda ironically reflects both sides of the argument from the whole thread: literary art!
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Fun Fact: A Burgerfuel was just opened there a few months ago, Kiwis will know what im talking about =)
Woah sorry to go off topic but is there really a burger fuel there? i dont even have a burger fuel joint here in nelson/nz but theres one in iraq o.O
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Personally I think it a fair sentence. It's war, it's the military involved, and something that happened 5 years ago (especially if he hasn't done anything wrong since then) doesn't need to be punished harshly. The US likes giving really mean sentences, and maybe it's because I live in Canada, where getting caught with pot by the cop results in a warning and a small fine with cocaine.
I'd hate to be in the position of the families that lost their siblings etc, but human life isn't priceless, the military made some mistakes, but in the grand scheme of things 24 deaths excuse the huge successes of the military, and it's not like he wasn't a good soldier.
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On January 28 2012 08:48 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 02:37 eits wrote:
Dear OP,
for the sake of arguement, please tell me what makes you think America is a civilized country?
Lots of people hate the US, many will even say that our actions show that we are, in fact, a rather UNcinvilized country (one of the only countries who is NOT "3rd world" and still has the death penalty, and people fucking love it. Hell in Texas they have ways to make your execution come sooner I.E express lane) So my question is to you i guess, what makes us "better" than other countries to where you wouldn't expect this from someone in the military? America has just as many atrocities as the next country.
It does not matter that I live in the USA, because I am still connected to the humans and the problems that come with other humans AROUND THE WORLD. In todays world we can no longer accept and think that when something happens to someone else in another country it does not have an impact on yourself becasue we are all one species, homosapiens.
That being said, this guy deserves way fucking longer than 3 months for what he did. You are right op that here it just shows that Americans do not value the Iraqi people very highly.
It makes me sick to my stomach thinking that the Government of my country is able to spread their fears and lies around the world without any repercussion
Two points. 1. The government most certainly lied about it. The only reason the massacre came to light was because a student made a video of the aftermath. The official explanation was that a road side bomb had killed civilians and 1 american soldier. When Time got the video and heard the interview of the 10 year old survivor of the massacre is when the investigation happened. Even then it was a piss poor job of it, with the government dumping a ton of the materials in an Iraqi landfill to be rescued by the NYT. Infact if you really want to have a good cry, you should listen to the interview of the girl. And if you want to be hopping mad, you should listen to the interview by Wuterich where he points out how they went into the house. 2. Every single american soldier in Iraq is there to enforce an illegal war and illegal occupation. That they don't all think or act like Wuterich doesn't excuse their presence. And this isn't an isolated incidence. Mai Lai is an obvious predecessor and also resulted in no real punishment. Infact the hero of Mai Lai (Thomspon) was threatened with punishment for trying to stop the massacre by a member of congress. The entire structure of the military is focused on rooting out dissension, covering up bad pr and punishing whistleblowers instead of the criminals. And Wuterich didn't get 3 months in prison. He got no time in prison, no decrease in pay. Atleast he didn't get a medal like the ship captain who shot down Iran Air 655. edit: Here is a damning fact that I wasn't aware of earlier. Show nested quote +The "Medina standard" is based upon the 1971 prosecution of US Army Captain Ernest Medina in connection with the My Lai Massacre during the Vietnam War.[10] It holds that a commanding officer, being aware of a human rights violation or a war crime, will be held criminally liable when he does not take action. However, Medina was acquitted of all charges.[8][11][12]
Both damning for Wuterich and for the UCMJ which didn't punish Medina.
War is illegal? O joy, international law of war explain to me.
Occupation is illegal? O do explain legalities of war.
I do think that the soldier ought to have gotten a lot more, but calling war illegal is silly. REAL silly.
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In basic training, instructors train these men and women to kill. They are trained to belive killing another human is ok. This must be factored into sentencing a solider for any crimes they commit while on-duty.
While I agree that 3 months is insanely light for a sentence, I also feel that life in prison is too long. I think a 5 year term would be justifiable.
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On January 28 2012 09:59 Orcasgt24 wrote:
In basic training, instructors train these men and women to kill. They are trained to belive killing another human is ok. This must be factored into sentencing a solider for any crimes they commit while on-duty.
While I agree that 3 months is insanely light for a sentence, I also feel that life in prison is too long. I think a 5 year term would be justifiable.
Sure, slaughter 20 odd innocent women, children, and old men, serve 5 years in prison! Seems fair.
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On January 28 2012 09:51 Praetorial wrote:
Occupation is illegal? O do explain legalities of war.
I do think that the soldier ought to have gotten a lot more, but calling war illegal is silly. REAL silly.
Yes, technically wars that are undeclared by Congress are illegal. If the president declares war on some country and sends the army over there, it's illegal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States
Also, there are international treaties such as the Geneva Convention, of which the US is a signatory, that make certain acts in war illegal, some of which the defendants in this case have allegedly committed.
http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/WebSign?ReadForm&id=375&ps=P
So... U feel silly now?
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what that guy did was fucking insulting to the the american people. I mean we spent what 11 years over in iraq and then to have this surface after all the bullshit we've been putting up with now. These people should not serve in prison, these damn fuckers need to be tried and executed. Even the ones who said: 'we were just fallowing orders' You get involved you're guilty of manslaughter simple as that!
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On January 28 2012 10:33 xtruder wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 09:51 Praetorial wrote:
Occupation is illegal? O do explain legalities of war.
I do think that the soldier ought to have gotten a lot more, but calling war illegal is silly. REAL silly.
Yes, technically wars that are undeclared by Congress are illegal. If the president declares war on some country and sends the army over there, it's illegal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_StatesAlso, there are international treaties such as the Geneva Convention, of which the US is a signatory, that make certain acts in war illegal, some of which the defendants in this case have allegedly committed. http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/WebSign?ReadForm&id=375&ps=PSo... U feel silly now?
The war was approved by Congress. Therefore, not illegal.
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Send teenagers in different places of the world with a gun to kill "bad" people in a place where chaos is a main factor. No wonder you create these marines who kill innocent civilians for no good reason.
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On January 28 2012 02:37 eits wrote:
Dear OP,
for the sake of arguement, please tell me what makes you think America is a civilized country?
Lots of people hate the US, many will even say that our actions show that we are, in fact, a rather UNcinvilized country (one of the only countries who is NOT "3rd world" and still has the death penalty, and people fucking love it. Hell in Texas they have ways to make your execution come sooner I.E express lane) So my question is to you i guess, what makes us "better" than other countries to where you wouldn't expect this from someone in the military? America has just as many atrocities as the next country.
It does not matter that I live in the USA, because I am still connected to the humans and the problems that come with other humans AROUND THE WORLD. In todays world we can no longer accept and think that when something happens to someone else in another country it does not have an impact on yourself becasue we are all one species, homosapiens.
That being said, this guy deserves way fucking longer than 3 months for what he did. You are right op that here it just shows that Americans do not value the Iraqi people very highly.
It makes me sick to my stomach thinking that the Government of my country is able to spread their fears and lies around the world without any repercussion
There are merits to this as certainly the government that represent the people is the people, thats how democracy works.
But I think to say that US is uncivilized is straight misjudgment.
There are flaws, but it means it needs to be corrected.
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If you support the American empire you basically have immunity from prosecution. If you oppose the American empire you can be detained indefinitely without due process and without even being charged with a crime.
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On January 24 2012 07:43 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +I know there will surely be someone who will justify this ruling but im quite appaled. How can a civilized country treat human beings that differently. Iraqi lives apparently mean nothing to the US. These men should all be in jail for life and now they walk freely (you probably get more than 3months for downloading some shitty mp3). This is terrorism at its finest. Im know horrible things happen in war and it brings out the worst in human beings but this ruling makes it look like the US goverment supports these atrocities.
Im sorry for this poor op but I havent seen a thread yet. I feel that this needs to be discussed and honestly I am curious about the reactions of american posters. The different sentence is not the result of the US placing a lower value on Iraqi lives. The lower sentence is because they are soldiers and thus they are not treated exactly the same as civilians. I agree that a heavier sentence would be in order but to suggest that racism has anything to do with it is just ridiculous. People were killed, why isn't that bad enough? Why do you need to make it so much worse by conjuring up false reasons? Are dead people not enough anymore? Just deal with the facts. Argue about the facts. There is no need to pretend that racism had anything to do with this.
You just made assumptions. We don't (and probably will never) know whether racism is part of this.
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