Bertrand "Elky" Grospellier against Lex "RaSZi" Veldhuis both former BW players fights eachother. From 2+2 "original bet was 50k euro, but Lex said the total amount was 'sixfigs' (including sideaction), he didnt want to say an exact total."
- Did boxing for 1.5 years when I was 16. I trained once a week for a couple of months at the time, totalling 15-20 lessons. The footwork taught in boxing actually hurt me, cause it's different in kickboxing. It did give me good coordination for training.
- I've been in a couple streetfights.
- I have had a lot of injuries, most of them to the shin and ribs. I bruised 9 ribs total and nearly broke both my feet. After discussing the bet in 2009 August, I started doing some running in February, not taking it seriously till April. Then I bruised my ribs and injured my spleen. This was when we postponed the bet the first time. I wasn't able to train for 2.5 months. After WSOP in september I started doing some kickboxing training, but I overstretched my foot in October and couldn't fight till December. I started again and had a shin injury that made it unable for me to train for 1.5 months. during March I started training again, mostly working on cardio. I had a miniscus injury from running while I was in Vegas 2011 WSOP. I found a guy 2 months ago who fixed it without needing surgery and I have been training a few times a week since then.
I had a shitload of injuries. This is pretty common knowledge for the people who travel the EPT's or who are around me and Elky. It can be checked out. I just think it's important information for possible bets. I do think I'm more athletic than Elky. My coordination is better.
Elky:
- Had kickboxing lessons during the summer of 2009 in Vegas in preparation for a bet with Sorel.
- He has done a lot of stamina/strength training the past 2 years and has been doing a lot of research on eating healthy and nutricion.
- His coordination seems a bit bad and I don't think he is a natural athlete.
- After this WSOP he met up with Lincon Rodrigues, his new coach. Since then he has been training 4 hours a day and went to thailand for 3-4 weeks. Elky will confirm this, he has mentioned all this in interviews.
They could, but I assume they have moved on from starcraft a long time ago, so why would they.
Lex looked much better in the fight- also Elky seemed somewhat confused about the ruleset- Looked to me like he thought he'd be allowed to catch the kick and take him to the ground or something?
On November 24 2011 02:32 floor exercise wrote: Raszi had much better technique, if I had to guess he trained much harder. Sick finish! The Dutch are overpowered in kickboxing
- Did boxing for 1.5 years when I was 16. I trained once a week for a couple of months at the time, totalling 15-20 lessons. The footwork taught in boxing actually hurt me, cause it's different in kickboxing. It did give me good coordination for training.
- I've been in a couple streetfights.
- I have had a lot of injuries, most of them to the shin and ribs. I bruised 9 ribs total and nearly broke both my feet. After discussing the bet in 2009 August, I started doing some running in February, not taking it seriously till April. Then I bruised my ribs and injured my spleen. This was when we postponed the bet the first time. I wasn't able to train for 2.5 months. After WSOP in september I started doing some kickboxing training, but I overstretched my foot in October and couldn't fight till December. I started again and had a shin injury that made it unable for me to train for 1.5 months. during March I started training again, mostly working on cardio. I had a miniscus injury from running while I was in Vegas 2011 WSOP. I found a guy 2 months ago who fixed it without needing surgery and I have been training a few times a week since then.
I had a shitload of injuries. This is pretty common knowledge for the people who travel the EPT's or who are around me and Elky. It can be checked out. I just think it's important information for possible bets. I do think I'm more athletic than Elky. My coordination is better.
Elky:
- Had kickboxing lessons during the summer of 2009 in Vegas in preparation for a bet with Sorel.
- He has done a lot of stamina/strength training the past 2 years and has been doing a lot of research on eating healthy and nutricion.
- His coordination seems a bit bad and I don't think he is a natural athlete.
- After this WSOP he met up with Lincon Rodrigues, his new coach. Since then he has been training 4 hours a day and went to thailand for 3-4 weeks. Elky will confirm this, he has mentioned all this in interviews.
On November 24 2011 02:37 Monsen wrote: They could, but I assume they have moved on from starcraft a long time ago, so why would they.
Looking at some of their posts the occationally post in threads and likely lurk the forums. Considering they are both long time members of the community, i woulden't be suprised if they did invest.
Both have got some ugly hooks, but elky punchs are particularly bad. Raszi not too bad when he throwing straight rights and jabs. Elky corner should have took one look at his hooks and told him to never throw it. Seemed like a hard fight for Elky to win. He can't smother Raszi and fight inside because he can't throw a hook, and he can't fight outside because Raszi better at it.
well, the real winner is elky because he had a hot chick in his corner whereas raszi had an ugly bulgarian who had his face smashed in one too many times.
nice fight! and yes, they absolutely have too much money
i'm no pro, but these guys used really simple moves and raszi just did them better. Thats exactly what it looked like to me . I had no clue that Elky had such a following since i came into SC when SCII came out.
It seemed that Elky isn't really athletic type. After those lessons he took, I expected him to do better. But it was interesting anyway, grats to Raszi.
Cool, it happened. Nice fight too. Also, is that Raymond Sluiter on the stands? (Dutch tenniser) Could someone update the OP with the collors? ElkY Red corner RaSZi Blue corner Liquid Hwaiting!
man, they actually went all out with this with the training, ring, stage, crowd and camera :p. What made them suddenly decide to have a kickboxing match?
Elky must have signed up for a striking class with Bob Sapp. Alexander Graham Bell would be proud of his telegraphing.
That said, I have huge respect for people who have the guts to enter a ring. You'd beat me up! Well fought, and good heart getting up after the first kick!
So dissapointed by Elky! He trained hard and he looked like nothing. Looked like a streetfight with Lex being the naughty vicious guy throwing knees and low kicks. Good tactic but really elky MEH!
By the way this is not kickboxing, kickboxing you shouldn't be allowed to throw low kicks or knees. Only in thai you are allowed to this. What is elky thinking figthing english boxing??,
On November 24 2011 03:43 CaM27 wrote: So dissapointed by Elky! He trained hard and he looked like nothing. Looked like a streetfight with Lex being the naughty vicious guy throwing knees and low kicks. Good tactic but really elky MEH!
By the way this is not kickboxing, kickboxing you shouldn't be allowed to throw low kicks or knees. Only in thai you are allowed to this. What is elky thinking figthing english boxing??,
The most widely used kickboxing rules are K1 rules. You're probably thinking more American kickboxing, which is a fucking awful sport. Or I guess Savate since you're Belgian? I'm not too familiar with the rules. There are different clinch rules, and no elbows, but you can say it's pretty similar to Muay Thai.
On November 24 2011 02:29 rgfdxm wrote: For anyone else who doesn't know... Elky was the second most successful foreigner ever to play Starcraft in Korea, and RaSZi IS aka Liquid`RaSZi.
On November 24 2011 02:29 rgfdxm wrote: For anyone else who doesn't know... Elky was the second most successful foreigner ever to play Starcraft in Korea, and RaSZi IS aka Liquid`RaSZi.
On November 24 2011 03:43 CaM27 wrote: So dissapointed by Elky! He trained hard and he looked like nothing. Looked like a streetfight with Lex being the naughty vicious guy throwing knees and low kicks. Good tactic but really elky MEH!
By the way this is not kickboxing, kickboxing you shouldn't be allowed to throw low kicks or knees. Only in thai you are allowed to this. What is elky thinking figthing english boxing??,
The most widely used kickboxing rules are K1 rules. You're probably thinking more American kickboxing, which is a fucking awful sport. Or I guess Savate since you're Belgian? I'm not too familiar with the rules. There are different clinch rules, and no elbows, but you can say it's pretty similar to Muay Thai.
Savate is french. I did kickboxing and that's above the belt. I always thought below the belt was pretty lame anyway.
On November 24 2011 03:43 CaM27 wrote: By the way this is not kickboxing, kickboxing you shouldn't be allowed to throw low kicks or knees. Only in thai you are allowed to this. What is elky thinking figthing english boxing??,
There are many different styles of kickboxing. From what they were allowed to do and what not it followed dutch style kickboxing rules.
Definitely fun to watch though. Just picked up kickboxing again after years of fishing which makes me appreciate this even more.
On November 24 2011 02:53 floor exercise wrote:Kickboxing is the best combat sport by the way I have no idea why its not more popular around the world
Possibly because it completely neglects grappling (except for brief one-handed clinching), thereby missing a key feature of real unarmed combat?
Are you suggesting it's not popular because it's not MMA? It's a great sport as well, but it's not "real unarmed combat" and has never attempted to be. And if that were the case, where are all the vale tudo fans? It's just another combat sport. I'm sure there's a significant group of tapout wearing idiots who think it's "real combat" but boxing, kickboxing and mma are all just different sports, and there's reason to appreciate and enjoy them all.
On November 24 2011 03:43 CaM27 wrote: By the way this is not kickboxing, kickboxing you shouldn't be allowed to throw low kicks or knees. Only in thai you are allowed to this. What is elky thinking figthing english boxing??,
There are many different styles of kickboxing. From what they were allowed to do and what not it followed dutch style kickboxing rules.
Definitely fun to watch though. Just picked up kickboxing again after years of fishing which makes me appreciate this even more.
On November 24 2011 02:53 floor exercise wrote:Kickboxing is the best combat sport by the way I have no idea why its not more popular around the world
Possibly because it completely neglects grappling (except for brief one-handed clinching), thereby missing a key feature of real unarmed combat?
Are you suggesting it's not popular because it's not MMA? It's a great sport as well, but it's not "real unarmed combat" and has never attempted to be. And if that were the case, where are all the vale tudo fans? It's just another combat sport. I'm sure there's a significant group of tapout wearing idiots who think it's "real combat" but boxing, kickboxing and mma are all just different sports, and there's reason to appreciate and enjoy them all.
I'm pretty sure he wrote that to counter your cocky statement about kickboxing being the best combat sport.
For as hyped up as this bet was and the amount of time they spent "training" I expected them to be in much better physical condition... Regardless, good fight those kicks were sick.
Good effort! Tobad Elky looked quite outmatched in this, guess he shoulda made it a BW showmatch instead :D
As for everyone comparing the rules. This was either K1(modern japanese ruleset) or some dutch set of kickboxing rules, judging by the use of kicks and knees, but the ref always breaking up clinching. Most Western kickboxing doesn't allow elbows/knees/clinching. Some allow knees/limited clinching
Muay Thai allows all of these and can usually be recognized if you see elbow blows as these are pretty much prohibited in all other kickboxing styles.
On November 24 2011 04:29 zatic wrote: Definitely fun to watch though. Just picked up kickboxing again after years of fishing which makes me appreciate this even more.
How on Earth do you switch from fishing to kickboxing??
On November 24 2011 03:24 Sqalevon wrote: Also, is that Raymond Sluiter on the stands? (Dutch tenniser)
I think it was. I couldn't make it out clearly but I'm pretty sure I heard Fatima Moreira de Melo shouting "Lexy!!!!" somewhere in the middle. She is the girlfriend of Raymond Sluiter and both are good friends with Lex.
Haha, that was fun to watch. It got annoying at the end though with the terrible camera job and the swearing/shouting of the dutch fans while the fight was already over. tbh, it didn't look like Elky trained 4h a day for any period of time. His technique was lacking and he got tired soon also.
No leg kicks at all, but ok, let's assume he's just been working on the hands. But then: no jabs, he only went for the right hook to the body and that too was pretty bad technique.
On November 24 2011 04:30 floor exercise wrote:Are you suggesting it's not popular because it's not MMA? It's a great sport as well, but it's not "real unarmed combat" and has never attempted to be.
No, I'm saying it's not the best combat sport because it neglects grappling, even more than other combat sports that are not MMA.
It's not popular because K-1 has a history of subpar business management, but that's a whole 'nother issue.
On November 24 2011 04:30 floor exercise wrote:And if that were the case, where are all the vale tudo fans? It's just another combat sport. I'm sure there's a significant group of tapout wearing idiots who think it's "real combat" but boxing, kickboxing and mma are all just different sports, and there's reason to appreciate and enjoy them all.
Vale tudo became MMA because of government crackdowns on what was percieved to be an excessively bloody/violent sport. Many of the early MMA stars got their start in vale tudo for this reason. MMA is the closest approximation to true unarmed combat that the United States will allow. There's a reason why the US Army's Modern Army Combatives program is based primarily on MMA.
On November 24 2011 04:33 karpo wrote:I'm pretty sure he wrote that to counter your cocky statement about kickboxing being the best combat sport.
Epic comedy tbh Raszi's high kicks were pretty legit. And I guess Elky's gameplan was to work the body lol
No padding on feet plus knees allowed is no joke, they deserve props for putting them up!
Elky's trainer should definitely have told him to call it off... he looked like a gassed octopus on crack in there :p probably just trying to unlock the "manly" achievement.
On November 24 2011 04:29 zatic wrote: Definitely fun to watch though. Just picked up kickboxing again after years of fishing which makes me appreciate this even more.
How on Earth do you switch from fishing to kickboxing?? .
Obviously, like that !
Fun fight, not very skilled though, we do more in close combat with a few days practice (then again, i'm in the military, and we're basically in a much better physical condition -_-) Still fun ! Whatever the winner I'm happy, a Liquid guy or a French xD
I thought Elky was good at reading people...He played that out so wrong, when the other guy's got reach on you (and more killer instinct at that, clearly) you have to make the punches count. He had maybe 5-10 good shots in him before he got tired and wasted most of those to swimstroke wildswings with his right. So many opportunities for good uppercuts =/
Ouch... Poor ElkY.. I expected him to be somewhat more agile, since he should be in better shape than Lex because of the gym course and healthy diet he follows. But not even a kick in the head?? I'm dissapointed.
omg i have to watch this asap but i can't right now wtf am i supposed to do. edit: really well done haha that must have been expensive to set up but I'm sure it is chump change to them :p
On November 24 2011 04:29 zatic wrote: Definitely fun to watch though. Just picked up kickboxing again after years of fishing which makes me appreciate this even more.
How on Earth do you switch from fishing to kickboxing??
Thanks for the post. It kept getting delayed so I lost interest. Too bad Elky didn't win. Go for a rematch Elky, he said that you're not athletic. Prove him wrong!
On November 24 2011 06:08 Forgottenfrog wrote: Thanks for the post. It kept getting delayed so I lost interest. Too bad Elky didn't win. Go for a rematch Elky, he said that you're not athletic. Prove him wrong!
The thing is ElkY really isn't. It's a kickboxing match and he didn't throw one kick. That and his technique was horrible. 2 years of training, meh. o;
On November 24 2011 02:29 rgfdxm wrote: For anyone else who doesn't know... Elky was the second most successful foreigner ever to play Starcraft in Korea, and RaSZi IS aka Liquid`RaSZi.
FYP. Rockin' the diamond zerg on EU yo.
Would love to see some kind of sc2 prop bet between you and ElkY, and live streamed, what the hell do it for charity.
On November 24 2011 02:29 rgfdxm wrote: For anyone else who doesn't know... Elky was the second most successful foreigner ever to play Starcraft in Korea, and RaSZi IS aka Liquid`RaSZi.
FYP. Rockin' the diamond zerg on EU yo.
Would love to see some kind of sc2 prop bet between you and ElkY, and live streamed, what the hell do it for charity.
That is definitely plausible. Maybe Rekrul and Giyom would want a piece of the action too.
Always so suprised these poker guys (yes I know they were SC players, I'm talking about currently) can throw around so much cash so easily! 6 figures bet on a kick boxing match? holy shit!
On November 24 2011 07:12 MK4512 wrote: Always so suprised these poker guys (yes I know they were SC players, I'm talking about currently) can throw around so much cash so easily! 6 figures bet on a kick boxing match? holy shit!
It's because they are incredibly good poker players. ElkY has been one of the top tournament players for some time now. The transition is easy for some. When they aren't busy making prop bets; they're dominating tables and sheep online.
On November 24 2011 07:12 MK4512 wrote: Always so suprised these poker guys (yes I know they were SC players, I'm talking about currently) can throw around so much cash so easily! 6 figures bet on a kick boxing match? holy shit!
50k is just not so much, top poker pros can buy in for high stakes cash games for 10 times that ammount, and that could be one night. I remember one of the top pros saying he lost 1.3 million a day (he still ended up only like 0.5 m minus total in two days he said)
this is the interview btw, i had to find it, between 1 and 2 minitues, though it's in Romanian (broken Romanian, it's hillarious if u understand it, in a good way) + Show Spoiler +
lol, this was way too good. elky was pretty sloppy if you take it from a technical standpoint. Raszi just used all the different dynamics of kickboxing. punches, knees, kicks. Pretty entertaining stuff from these ballers.
Wow.. I didn't read about any of the lead up to this, so this was pretty random, kind of unreal haha. Raszi had much better technique, but Elky came out hard and was battling it out. Nice job by both, sick finish.
Still can't believe I just watched that. Now I gotta wait 5-10 years for Nada wrestling match
On November 24 2011 04:30 floor exercise wrote:Are you suggesting it's not popular because it's not MMA? It's a great sport as well, but it's not "real unarmed combat" and has never attempted to be.
No, I'm saying it's not the best combat sport because it neglects grappling, even more than other combat sports that are not MMA.
It's not popular because K-1 has a history of subpar business management, but that's a whole 'nother issue.
woo hold it, he said kickboxing is the best combat sport not the most practical. for me boxing would be the best combat sport (or even just sport) in the world, dont mean that i think its better than the 'grappling' sports for self defense or anything by any means just that i prefer it
Edit: The fight was entertaining but i cant say much cos i know nothing bout kickboxing =D
This was actually pretty sick and had been in the works for a long time. I thought it was going to be more of a show match but they both took it super serious and there was tons of betting that happened on the fight. Pretty cool that it was a legit fight and they went for a long ass time. Lex ends up victorious scooping 100+k.
On November 24 2011 07:12 MK4512 wrote: Always so suprised these poker guys (yes I know they were SC players, I'm talking about currently) can throw around so much cash so easily! 6 figures bet on a kick boxing match? holy shit!
The thing is these guys, particularly Elky, aren't just your average successful poker guys, they're multi-millionaires.
Gratz to Raszi anyway, Liquid fighting!
What's next is the question, I want to see these guys train for, and compete at various activities for large amounts of money every year, racing two Bugatti Veyron's around the Nürburgring next year?
On November 24 2011 03:43 CaM27 wrote: So dissapointed by Elky! He trained hard and he looked like nothing. Looked like a streetfight with Lex being the naughty vicious guy throwing knees and low kicks. Good tactic but really elky MEH!
By the way this is not kickboxing, kickboxing you shouldn't be allowed to throw low kicks or knees. Only in thai you are allowed to this. What is elky thinking figthing english boxing??,
This is kickboxing, you can throw low kicks, and knees
And the moral of the story is: never bet against a Dutchman in kickboxing. They are naturally imba at it. (Think Semmy Schilt, Remy Bonjasky, Peter Aerts, Ernesto Hoost).
On November 24 2011 11:20 skyrunner wrote: can ppl that never been in a fight or seen themselves do martial arts stop saying they suck?
yeah it doesn't look good, but guess what, for 99% of all ppl fighting won't look good. it's not a movie.
People who have never trained don't understand how hard it is. They're comparing this to what they've seen from professional fighters on tv or youtube highlights.
They're warriors for putting their money where their mouths are and stepping into the ring.
Even though Elky was getting his ass kicked towards the end he showed the heart and composure to give back instead of crumpling under the pressure. Sweet head kick KO from Raszi.
I wonder how many brain cells died after 2nd kick to the head. Those traumas can't be too healthy, it might seem in good fun and all but in reality one of them walked out of this with a concussion, often good enough of a reason for a pro athlete to miss huge part of his season. Fight wasn't bad at all, I expected much worse. Elky has some seriously flawed technique and obviously doesn't quite know how to pace himself and preserve at least some energy. He did punch fairly hard, wonder if that hurt at all
On November 24 2011 11:41 SpoR wrote: ahahahha sorriest fight ever
User was banned for being a shitty poster
I'd bet a 20 that you'd cry like a little bitch if someone punched you in the face. Can't believe you're finally banned lol
lmaoo holy epic fight batman! i wish elky wouldve kicked lex in the FACE!!!! <3 elkyyy nice memories
also, i dont think the kick knocked him out, he was alrdy bleeding from his ear or the side of his head, so im sure it probably just hurt like a motherfucker. like that blinding, debilitating pain.
The criticism from people in this thread is just dumb though. Might as well just say "Well I've never tried martial arts in my life but these guys are total wimps!"
he had no chance. i heard an interview where Raszi said he let Elky hit him twice full in the face and he didnt even feel the punshes. after that it was just time untill his guard would drop down.
No one can be good at everything huh, that was one ugly fight, but to be fair at least elky didn't give up after getting hammered the first time which was nice.
I was sure elky is going to take it :-( He has the killer-instinct of a shark. But as someone said before, the dutch just own in kickboxing. Those two really have balls to do a thing like that. dat kick ...
lol @ people criticizing the technique of a bw/poker pro. surprise, everyone on tl is a boxing expert and would beat mayweather with one hand tied behind their back.
Well, after watching for a second time it's safe to say Elky got absolutely wrecked. Brass balls but he wasn't even in the fight and he sure as hell wasn't ready for one. Raszi appears to have heavy hands and looks like a tough customer. Also, Elky should fire his coach. The way he kept retreating straight into the power zone of incoming punches is a textbook disaster
On November 24 2011 18:09 akalarry wrote: lol @ people criticizing the technique of a bw/poker pro. surprise, everyone on tl is a boxing expert and would beat mayweather with one hand tied behind their back.
Dude you don't need to be a pro to appreciate the fighting technique. These guys just forgot everything they learned in the gym, as soon as they entered the ring.
On November 24 2011 18:09 akalarry wrote: lol @ people criticizing the technique of a bw/poker pro. surprise, everyone on tl is a boxing expert and would beat mayweather with one hand tied behind their back.
Dude you don't need to be a pro to appreciate the fighting technique. These guys just forgot everything they learned in the gym, as soon as they entered the ring.
That seemed soooo true
At least they got this bet done ! Was very entertaining nonetheless !
On November 24 2011 17:16 Larsin wrote: Raszi kicked elky's ass.
he had no chance. i heard an interview where Raszi said he let Elky hit him twice full in the face and he didnt even feel the punshes. after that it was just time untill his guard would drop down.
Seemed to me like Elky was winning until he got completely gassed a little after the 6 minute mark. After that, it slowly went more and more downhill. You could tell he got a bit of a second wind at the start of the second round but its effect didn't last long.
On November 25 2011 05:36 psychopat wrote: Seemed to me like Elky was winning until he got completely gassed a little after the 6 minute mark. After that, it slowly went more and more downhill. You could tell he got a bit of a second wind at the start of the second round but its effect didn't last long.
? Never got that impression, felt like all elkys attacks almost were well defended and lex got a lot more clean hits.
Poker players bets always amaze me. 50k for a kickboxing fight when obviously none of them trained seriously at any point in their life beforehand just seems odd to me.
I know it's their money and they can do whatever they want with it, but they're basically risking their health for a stupid bet. Correct me if I'm wrong but since they're not professionals, isn't the risk of injury way higher because they don't have the technique to defend themselves properly? Or is it the other way around cause they don't hit hard enough?
Anyway, I guess they have big balls and everything but it just shows they have no idea what to do with their money. IMHO, give that 50k to someone who really needs it, or invest it for when poker won't pay like it does now.
Are two guys good friends who just decided to make a bet like this or was this some kind of grudge match? The fight was closer than I thought it'd be lol, although elky took some tough hits to the face before KO, pretty ugly stuff lol.
Elky tried to slug it out and gassed in the process, he didn't throw a single kick and his punching technique was quite ugly, fought like it was a streetfight, I think pressure kinda got to his head. Raszi was superior technically and strategically. At first it could look like he was dominatedbut but he was just patient, waiting for Elky to gas and for an opportunity to connect.
To people that feel they're throwing money away, or want to fight them for 50k because they feel they're better, I want to say this. These guys know each other through and through. They know they aren't fighting professionals. They know they are fighting each other. And if you make a lot of these bets, in the end variance will even it all out, and you end up with the same amount of money that you started with. They just make these bets to motivate themselves, and to have fun. In the end it has only cost them the money they spent on training and equipment (which may still be a lot). Lots of respect to both of them for even trying this. And yeah, you may be better at boxing, but those guys will be smart enough not to fight you for 50k if you're way better than them.
On November 25 2011 08:21 Xela wrote: Poker players bets always amaze me. 50k for a kickboxing fight when obviously none of them trained seriously at any point in their life beforehand just seems odd to me.
I know it's their money and they can do whatever they want with it, but they're basically risking their health for a stupid bet. Correct me if I'm wrong but since they're not professionals, isn't the risk of injury way higher because they don't have the technique to defend themselves properly? Or is it the other way around cause they don't hit hard enough?
Anyway, I guess they have big balls and everything but it just shows they have no idea what to do with their money. IMHO, give that 50k to someone who really needs it, or invest it for when poker won't pay like it does now.
The risk of injury is much lower actually because they will run out of energy in about 5 minutes they cant punch properly so they cant get hurt and they cant block so the only thing that should happen is like a watery nose and bruised ego
That's a very good amateur fight. They're just in there after each others head really laying it out there. Can't ask for much more even from the pros let alone amateur fights, very awesome fight!
I remember hearing about this a long time ago. Not a bad fight, but Lex was on a completely different level than ElkY in that fight. Congratulations RaSZi!
Bertrand "Elky" Grospellier against Lex "RaSZi" Veldhuis both former BW players fights eachother. From 2+2 "original bet was 50k euro, but Lex said the total amount was 'sixfigs' (including sideaction), he didnt want to say an exact total."
- Did boxing for 1.5 years when I was 16. I trained once a week for a couple of months at the time, totalling 15-20 lessons. The footwork taught in boxing actually hurt me, cause it's different in kickboxing. It did give me good coordination for training.
- I've been in a couple streetfights.
- I have had a lot of injuries, most of them to the shin and ribs. I bruised 9 ribs total and nearly broke both my feet. After discussing the bet in 2009 August, I started doing some running in February, not taking it seriously till April. Then I bruised my ribs and injured my spleen. This was when we postponed the bet the first time. I wasn't able to train for 2.5 months. After WSOP in september I started doing some kickboxing training, but I overstretched my foot in October and couldn't fight till December. I started again and had a shin injury that made it unable for me to train for 1.5 months. during March I started training again, mostly working on cardio. I had a miniscus injury from running while I was in Vegas 2011 WSOP. I found a guy 2 months ago who fixed it without needing surgery and I have been training a few times a week since then.
I had a shitload of injuries. This is pretty common knowledge for the people who travel the EPT's or who are around me and Elky. It can be checked out. I just think it's important information for possible bets. I do think I'm more athletic than Elky. My coordination is better.
Elky:
- Had kickboxing lessons during the summer of 2009 in Vegas in preparation for a bet with Sorel.
- He has done a lot of stamina/strength training the past 2 years and has been doing a lot of research on eating healthy and nutricion.
- His coordination seems a bit bad and I don't think he is a natural athlete.
- After this WSOP he met up with Lincon Rodrigues, his new coach. Since then he has been training 4 hours a day and went to thailand for 3-4 weeks. Elky will confirm this, he has mentioned all this in interviews.
LOL. Very entertaining video here buddy! MOD EDIT: Advertising
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