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On November 05 2011 05:26 firehand101 wrote:
I actually dont know how to turn it off and there are no clear instructions. Maybe if the elephant was a link to steps that turned it off, it might be better
Right click the icon - options - customize - manually edit your filters - add these and save:
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OR just: Stop blocking ads - Show ads on a webpage or domain
I think this will solve your issue, hopefully. (worked for me) 
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On November 05 2011 05:28 mmp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 05:17 tree.hugger wrote:On November 05 2011 05:08 mmp wrote:On November 05 2011 05:05 tree.hugger wrote:On November 05 2011 05:01 mmp wrote:On November 04 2011 17:30 Manifesto7 wrote:
The people that come to my house don't hang towels over the paintings they deem "not a celebration of the intelligence of man". On November 04 2011 21:12 tree.hugger wrote:
Nobody is being banned because they adblock TL. If you want to adblock TL, that's your prerogative. But then to come into this thread, and justify it with a reason like "I'm against advertising on principle" or "I'm taking a bold stand for my privacy against an Orwellian advertising complex" is simply insulting. Honestly, it calls into question whether you've ever taken public transportation, bought their own food, or even left their room. It's like going to a dinner party and refusing to help wash the dishes, because they'll just get dirty again anyway.
You guys are speaking indignantly even though your 'house invitation' model is severely flawed. (1) I have a house too. It's called my computer. Your HTML is a guest in my house. If I ask you to wipe your feed at the door... well, you don't have a choice, I'll do it for you. (2) If you invite someone over to your house and they tell you that the art you display is offensive, or the food you serve will make them sick... your response should not be 'GTFO ungrateful moochers' unless you're a bad host. You accommodate reasonable requests, or you don't invite people over. Incredible, I never saw it that way. How benevolent of you to invite TeamLiquid into your gracious home. Can I start a collection? I don't see why you're being so rude about this. It's not unreasonable to assert that users have the final say over their own computer's behavior. There are many businesses that aggressively take away user control of their computers, so this is not a minor point to push aside. You should acknowledge that the user has a right to be concerned about their privacy and security. I'm not saying you don't have a right to what you do on your computer. I'm saying that your analogy is patently ridiculous. And I just have to laugh at the idea that TeamLiquid somehow wants to take over your computer. I guess I have some more perspective on that, but it's really a notion I can't take seriously. I never accused TL of being malicious. All I said was that when you bring 3rd-party code onto your site, you're opening a huge can of worms unless you're able to inspect all of it and give it a thumbs up, which you cannot unless it is all statically served and unobfuscated. Images are (mostly) benign, and I haven't complained about those kinds of ads (nor do I block them). The analogy is not ridiculous, it's an accurate and sober appraisal of the security vulnerabilities present on the Internet. People who study or work in the field understand the risks, and can therefore appreciate why some users are passionate about this. But your comprehension of the problem is not requisite for its validity.
^ Even though I understood all of that I'm pretty sure I hemorrhaged.
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On November 05 2011 05:23 Dental Floss wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 05:17 tree.hugger wrote:On November 05 2011 05:08 mmp wrote:On November 05 2011 05:05 tree.hugger wrote:On November 05 2011 05:01 mmp wrote:On November 04 2011 17:30 Manifesto7 wrote:
The people that come to my house don't hang towels over the paintings they deem "not a celebration of the intelligence of man". On November 04 2011 21:12 tree.hugger wrote:
Nobody is being banned because they adblock TL. If you want to adblock TL, that's your prerogative. But then to come into this thread, and justify it with a reason like "I'm against advertising on principle" or "I'm taking a bold stand for my privacy against an Orwellian advertising complex" is simply insulting. Honestly, it calls into question whether you've ever taken public transportation, bought their own food, or even left their room. It's like going to a dinner party and refusing to help wash the dishes, because they'll just get dirty again anyway.
You guys are speaking indignantly even though your 'house invitation' model is severely flawed. (1) I have a house too. It's called my computer. Your HTML is a guest in my house. If I ask you to wipe your feed at the door... well, you don't have a choice, I'll do it for you. (2) If you invite someone over to your house and they tell you that the art you display is offensive, or the food you serve will make them sick... your response should not be 'GTFO ungrateful moochers' unless you're a bad host. You accommodate reasonable requests, or you don't invite people over. Incredible, I never saw it that way. How benevolent of you to invite TeamLiquid into your gracious home. Can I start a collection? I don't see why you're being so rude about this. It's not unreasonable to assert that users have the final say over their own computer's behavior. There are many businesses that aggressively take away user control of their computers, so this is not a minor point to push aside. You should acknowledge that the user has a right to be concerned about their privacy and security. I'm not saying you don't have a right to what you do on your computer. I'm saying that your analogy is patently ridiculous. And I just have to laugh at the idea that TeamLiquid somehow wants to take over your computer. I guess I have some more perspective on that, but it's really a notion I can't take seriously. Its not TL thats trying to take over your computer; its advertisers. A notorious exploit happened recently where having Flash installed allowed ads served by google ads (which TL uses) to run arbitrary and malicious code. Adobe was unable to patch the vulnerability for an entire week. I work in IT and had to deal with the fallout from that one personally. I think everyone should get behind a no-ads account upgrade on TL that people can buy. That would solve a huge part of this argument.
Hear hear! Pretty sure what I`m willing to pay exceeds the ad revenue for me surfing TL anyways.
I have no problem supporting TL. I`ve bought SC2 through the site (I think at least) I also have bought 2 t-shirts.
I just do not like ads and would rather pay than having to watch them. Sorry.
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I don't use an adblocker - I'm happy to support TeamLiquid through its ads. I do however have flashblock installed (which requires me to click on the spot to have the ad displayed) so I do sometimes see the ESPORTS elephant.
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On November 05 2011 05:22 Daigomi wrote:
That said, I have personally never met any legitimate businesses that aggressively take away user control of their computers...
Do you run Windows?
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On November 05 2011 05:10 Mogget wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 04:41 jester- wrote:On November 05 2011 04:31 Mogget wrote:On November 05 2011 04:21 gds wrote:On November 05 2011 04:03 visual77 wrote:
I don't think it is so much that people who view ads see themselves as above those who don't. At least for myself, it is a disgust with the type of posters who say things to the effect of "I have it turned off and I'm happily denying TL any ad revenue." Note that I'm not saying you said that, or anything to that effect, but that vibe has been put out by a number of people in this thread.
And what about the vibe that all adblockers are huge piece of shit in this thread? We think they are because they, because they are denying money to a fantastic organisation because they don't want a tiny banner here or there? or cant watch 5 seconds of adverts every now and then in exchange for otherwise COMPLETELY FREE CONTENT. Its not elitism, we're not bigging ourselves up, we're calling you out for what you are. How can anyone disagree with this logic... Calling people pieces of shit because they don't want to view commercial advertisements? Have you ever heard of freedom of choice? Using your logic, I'd say that you're worse because you criticize people for exercising their freedom on the internet by not viewing ads and you are actively participating in open discrimination with hateful intent. I can't go into your "comment" any further without getting disrespectful. Are you for real? "Freedom of choice?" Im not saying your NOT ALLOWED to do it, im saying, if you do it, your a selfish person and as such should expect to be judged by others. Or do you think that we shouldn't be allowed to cast moral judgments? Like i dont understand how you can think its not selfish, its denying an organisation that gladly gives you content for free, GOOD content, just becuase you dont fancy watchign an advert, its pathetic, its selfish, and you should be ashamed. At the very least, you should be able to accept that people are going to look down on you. I dont HAVE to give my seat to the elderly, i dont HAVE to help someone who's getting mugged, I dont HAVE to be faithful to my girlfriend, but if i think i can not do those things and not be looked down on for it, i must be some special kind of moron.
You keep directing your hate right at me, when I've said several times in this thread, had you bothered to actually read, that I frequently disable my ad block on here and that I agree the banner/side ad are hardly even visible.
Do you feel bad browsing a supermassive website with adblock on? No? It's pretty easy and pathetic for you to sit there on your artificial high horse passing down flawed judgements at people you have no right to judge in the first place. I'm not sure what this subject has to do with being courteous, but for some reason you felt to fill your goofy post full of examples of courtesy. This place is a business at the end of the day and you'll have an impossible time guilting someone like me about turning on ad block (I'll say again since I'm sure you'll say something if I don't - my ad block is and has been off for some time on TL.net).
"Like i dont understand how you can think its not selfish, its denying an organisation that gladly gives you content for free, GOOD content, just becuase you dont fancy watchign an advert, its pathetic, its selfish, and you should be ashamed"
You're the one who should be ashamed, who are you to tell anyone on here or anywhere on the internet what they should and shouldn't do? You are ridiculous.
Edit: removed last line after thinking about it.
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I am personally sick of this culture where some people believe they are entitled to free stuff. TL is not your guest, TL is not an encyclopedia you own on your bookshelf, TL is not your personal Apple question answering machine. I see tons of people complaining about the quality of free streams, which may run one add every 30 mins. I see people complain about streamers running adds inbetween games. According to our opening poll, people go out and download a free program so that they aren't annoyed by the adds that show up on the free websites they visit. Lets not start on illegal downloading, but right or wrong it buys completely into this mindset.
Working at a popular fast food restaurant, I get at least one person a week asking for a "free" water only (no purchase) in the drive-thru. Not to mention all the promotions that are run give away something for free whether its buy-one get-one or get a free something with purchase because that is the best way to entice people nowadays.
You don't have a right to free stuff; if a company puts a price on a product, you only have two options: pay that price, or don't use that product. This is how our society runs, if you adblock TL, not only do you hate E-Sports (and Elly, how could you hate her????) but you also hate capitalism (and if your American, you also hate America).
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On November 05 2011 05:30 Grend wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 05:23 Dental Floss wrote:On November 05 2011 05:17 tree.hugger wrote:On November 05 2011 05:08 mmp wrote:On November 05 2011 05:05 tree.hugger wrote:On November 05 2011 05:01 mmp wrote:On November 04 2011 17:30 Manifesto7 wrote:
The people that come to my house don't hang towels over the paintings they deem "not a celebration of the intelligence of man". On November 04 2011 21:12 tree.hugger wrote:
Nobody is being banned because they adblock TL. If you want to adblock TL, that's your prerogative. But then to come into this thread, and justify it with a reason like "I'm against advertising on principle" or "I'm taking a bold stand for my privacy against an Orwellian advertising complex" is simply insulting. Honestly, it calls into question whether you've ever taken public transportation, bought their own food, or even left their room. It's like going to a dinner party and refusing to help wash the dishes, because they'll just get dirty again anyway.
You guys are speaking indignantly even though your 'house invitation' model is severely flawed. (1) I have a house too. It's called my computer. Your HTML is a guest in my house. If I ask you to wipe your feed at the door... well, you don't have a choice, I'll do it for you. (2) If you invite someone over to your house and they tell you that the art you display is offensive, or the food you serve will make them sick... your response should not be 'GTFO ungrateful moochers' unless you're a bad host. You accommodate reasonable requests, or you don't invite people over. Incredible, I never saw it that way. How benevolent of you to invite TeamLiquid into your gracious home. Can I start a collection? I don't see why you're being so rude about this. It's not unreasonable to assert that users have the final say over their own computer's behavior. There are many businesses that aggressively take away user control of their computers, so this is not a minor point to push aside. You should acknowledge that the user has a right to be concerned about their privacy and security. I'm not saying you don't have a right to what you do on your computer. I'm saying that your analogy is patently ridiculous. And I just have to laugh at the idea that TeamLiquid somehow wants to take over your computer. I guess I have some more perspective on that, but it's really a notion I can't take seriously. Its not TL thats trying to take over your computer; its advertisers. A notorious exploit happened recently where having Flash installed allowed ads served by google ads (which TL uses) to run arbitrary and malicious code. Adobe was unable to patch the vulnerability for an entire week. I work in IT and had to deal with the fallout from that one personally. I think everyone should get behind a no-ads account upgrade on TL that people can buy. That would solve a huge part of this argument. Hear hear! Pretty sure what I`m willing to pay exceeds the ad revenue for me surfing TL anyways. I have no problem supporting TL. I`ve bought SC2 through the site (I think at least) I also have bought 2 t-shirts. I just do not like ads and would rather pay than watch them. Sorry.
This exactly. I pre-ordered Diablo 3 on Amazon via Team Liquid just recently because it would 'help' the site. I could have pre-ordered it locally since I'm not sure when I'll receive the shipment on release day (or if I'm even going to get it on that day). Same for Heart of the Swarm.
How many of you who don't have ads blocked did the same thing? :\
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I turn that shit off only for teamliquid and some other players stream : )
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On November 05 2011 05:23 3772 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 05:05 tree.hugger wrote:
Nobody is being banned because they adblock TL. If you want to adblock TL, that's your prerogative. But then to come into this thread, and justify it with a reason like "I'm against advertising on principle" or "I'm taking a bold stand for my privacy against an Orwellian advertising complex" is simply insulting. Honestly, it calls into question whether you've ever taken public transportation, bought their own food, or even left their room. It's like going to a dinner party and refusing to help wash the dishes, because they'll just get dirty again anyway.
Being against advertising on principle (or posting it in this thread) is insulting? You know, some people just want to use TL without being sold as goods to advertising companies. Yeah I take public transportation and leave my room quite often. And it sickens me to see fucking ads everywhere and what's worse, there's no adblock IRL.
So without advertisements and sponsorships, who is going to pay to keep TL running? You? Should it come out of Nazgul's pocket?
The people who suggested the alternative of having a "subscription" service without ads are on to something, because then you can avoid the ads while still supporting the community.
You can't have the best of both worlds though. Unfortunately (for you, I suppose) the eSports industry is running on sponsorships and advertisements right now, and will for the foreseeable future. Deal with it.
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On November 05 2011 05:31 mmp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 05:22 Daigomi wrote:
That said, I have personally never met any legitimate businesses that aggressively take away user control of their computers...
Do you run Windows?
Yep. It's never aggressively taken away my control or anyone else's control of their own computers. It might act up and be a piece of shit occasionally, but it's never maliciously taken control away. Why?
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I think a real question is -
Did you gain anything from this thread?
Did it change your mind?
Are you more set in your ways because you've self identified with your position in a hostile argument and are no longer objective?...
Frankly if you are a regular user of teamliquid who uses addblock, you should really begin to think about donating a buck or 2 a month to teamliquid...
If you're not willing to do so, you might want to re-think deactiving addblock...
If you still don't think teamliquid should get any money from you in any form... what the fuck are you doing here? no really... sorry had to say it.
this isn't about esports it's about supporting the people that do a shit load of work for you...
edit for typo
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TL ads keep trying to hook me up with men, it's a little disconcerting
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On November 05 2011 05:37 floor exercise wrote:
TL ads keep trying to hook me up with men, it's a little disconcerting
Aren't they google ads? Aren't those based on your browsing history?
On November 05 2011 05:36 Daigomi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 05:31 mmp wrote:On November 05 2011 05:22 Daigomi wrote:
That said, I have personally never met any legitimate businesses that aggressively take away user control of their computers...
Do you run Windows? Yep. It's never aggressively taken away my control or anyone else's control of their own computers. It might act up and be a piece of shit occasionally, but it's never maliciously taken control away. Why?
If anything, in skilled hands, you have significantly more control than another not-going-to-be-named OS.
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On November 05 2011 05:34 Zarathusta wrote:
I am personally sick of this culture where some people believe they are entitled to free stuff. TL is not your guest, TL is not an encyclopedia you own on your bookshelf, TL is not your personal Apple question answering machine. I see tons of people complaining about the quality of free streams, which may run one add every 30 mins. I see people complain about streamers running adds inbetween games. According to our opening poll, people go out and download a free program so that they aren't annoyed by the adds that show up on the free websites they visit. Lets not start on illegal downloading, but right or wrong it buys completely into this mindset.
Working at a popular fast food restaurant, I get at least one person a week asking for a "free" water only (no purchase) in the drive-thru. Not to mention all the promotions that are run give away something for free whether its buy-one get-one or get a free something with purchase because that is the best way to entice people nowadays.
You don't have a right to free stuff; if a company puts a price on a product, you only have two options: pay that price, or don't use that product. This is how our society runs, if you adblock TL, not only do you hate E-Sports (and Elly, how could you hate her????) but you also hate capitalism (and if your American, you also hate America).
Or b), you love America, you have family members in the military, you've paid for every season ticket of GOM and even got premium for MLG/IPL/NASL S1, you've bought stuff off the Team Liquid store or Amazon via TL, but you don't make exceptions for blocking ads.
I'm not one of those, by the way, just sayin', I'm sure that breaks the logic in your last paragraph :\
On November 05 2011 05:37 floor exercise wrote:
TL ads keep trying to hook me up with men, it's a little disconcerting
Does that explain your username?
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Tbh I don't care if the money from ads goes straight into Nazguls pocket, because this is the site I visit most often, I really love this site and I don't care if its "HELPING ESPORTS" or helping select people.
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On November 05 2011 05:34 Zarathusta wrote:
I am personally sick of this culture where some people believe they are entitled to free stuff. TL is not your guest, TL is not an encyclopedia you own on your bookshelf, TL is not your personal Apple question answering machine. I see tons of people complaining about the quality of free streams, which may run one add every 30 mins. I see people complain about streamers running adds inbetween games. According to our opening poll, people go out and download a free program so that they aren't annoyed by the adds that show up on the free websites they visit. Lets not start on illegal downloading, but right or wrong it buys completely into this mindset.
Working at a popular fast food restaurant, I get at least one person a week asking for a "free" water only (no purchase) in the drive-thru. Not to mention all the promotions that are run give away something for free whether its buy-one get-one or get a free something with purchase because that is the best way to entice people nowadays.
You don't have a right to free stuff; if a company puts a price on a product, you only have two options: pay that price, or don't use that product. This is how our society runs, if you adblock TL, not only do you hate E-Sports (and Elly, how could you hate her????) but you also hate capitalism (and if your American, you also hate America).
Again making assumptions and passing down judgements with no basis to.
Is TL designed to be a FREE service? Yes.
Could TL make you pay to view the service if they were so inclined? Yes.
Do they? No.
What price are you asking people to pay? You're asking them to view ads they DON'T want to see and you don't seem to understand that there are people paying for those advertisements. I know, I know.. Some ads are designed to have their impact not by clicks with the intent to sell items, but to leave an impression in your mind about the product, so when you are shopping, you are more inclined to buy the product; but still, it doesn't mean in any way shape or form that enabling adblock means that automatically:
1. You hate capitalism (rofl seriously?)
2. You hate America (...............................................)
3. You're a piece of shit.
4. You're pathetic
5. You're selfish
6. You believe you're entitled to free stuff
7. You are killing esports
8. You hate teamliquid.net
9. You are not a good person
10. You would let someone getting mugged get mugged
11. You don't hold doors open for people
This is but a small list of insults tossed around by people in the last few pages.
...Really now?
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On November 05 2011 05:36 Daigomi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 05:31 mmp wrote:On November 05 2011 05:22 Daigomi wrote:
That said, I have personally never met any legitimate businesses that aggressively take away user control of their computers...
Do you run Windows? Yep. It's never aggressively taken away my control or anyone else's control of their own computers. It might act up and be a piece of shit occasionally, but it's never maliciously taken control away. Why?
This is definitely beyond the thread's intention, but for starters:
windows7sins.org
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish
And more generally:
http://www.defectivebydesign.org/
I can go on, but I'd rather not divert discussion.
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I am very happy that TL is using adds, I cannot afford to pay every site I use.. I would be happy to see a subscription to remove adds so people, who for some reason, can't stand a minor add. To people saying "I wasn't going to click it anyway" or what not, the companies advertising do not expect every person to go buy the item, because they saw an add, it will give more brand awareness to some people and maybe even make a sale right away.. Advertisers doesn't lose that much from adblockers, its the site having the ads that do..
I have adblock, I have it for specific sites where the ads are noisy, otherwise I disable, because I don't want to live in a world where there are no marketing 
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i dont even thought about adblocking tl.net, this site is so great it deserves every support it can get!
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