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On November 05 2011 04:31 Mogget wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 04:21 gds wrote:On November 05 2011 04:03 visual77 wrote:
I don't think it is so much that people who view ads see themselves as above those who don't. At least for myself, it is a disgust with the type of posters who say things to the effect of "I have it turned off and I'm happily denying TL any ad revenue." Note that I'm not saying you said that, or anything to that effect, but that vibe has been put out by a number of people in this thread.
And what about the vibe that all adblockers are huge piece of shit in this thread? We think they are because they, because they are denying money to a fantastic organisation because they don't want a tiny banner here or there? or cant watch 5 seconds of adverts every now and then in exchange for otherwise COMPLETELY FREE CONTENT. Its not elitism, we're not bigging ourselves up, we're calling you out for what you are.
How can anyone disagree with this logic... Calling people pieces of shit because they don't want to view commercial advertisements? Have you ever heard of freedom of choice? Using your logic, I'd say that you're worse because you criticize people for exercising their freedom on the internet by not viewing ads and you are actively participating in open discrimination with hateful intent.
I can't go into your "comment" any further without getting disrespectful.
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haha thanks, never knew how to filter TL out of it
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I use ad-block everytime. Websites coercing people to change browsing habits for the casual gamer is unrealistic and pompous. Expecting the adolescent to understand priorities for something non-prioritized is silly. TL gets what it's users put in.
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I will from now on filter my adblock so that TL is not blocked.
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I used to until i saw the elephant :D. Unless TL starts pop up or ads with sounds it will never be blocked again
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On November 05 2011 01:46 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 12:32 BreakfastTea wrote:
I use adblock, and to be frank, TLs recent campaign has only pissed me off and I have no intention of removing it. It can't be guaranteed that clickable links will be safe (half the reason to fucking have adblock to begin with). But there's another problem-- the recent "remove adblock" campaign prevents me from even viewing stream content unless I remove adblock. Why should I have to deal with that on TL, especially when I can go directly to the content generator's website to the view that same content and support them directly? I should not have to put my computer at risk in order to view free content, especially when it is third party content. And this doesn't support eSports--it supports TL (I also wonder how much of the ad revenue from streams goes to the content creators? if any, will they be pleased to learn that TL is essentially blocking access to their content for its own gain?). So a loud message to TL: do not ever ask anyone to not utilize a feature on their computer that is desirable for both its convenience and the added safety it provides to the user for your benefit--it makes you look less than legitimate.
And I'll state one of my pet peeves directly: don't fucking play the "support eSports" card.
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And it's also bad from a website usability standpoint, which in turn will decrease traffic. If this stays on as it is, I won't use TL to view streams. This. I would consider un-adblock Teamliquid if TL is willing to reveal its financial record. Otherwise, no. Where do these people come from?
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I don't adblock specifically I just don't allow javascript which as a bonus blocks almost all ads. New TL layout doesn't even fit my laptop screen, nevermind all the small glitches when not using Windows, so for now I'm too angry to spend time on creating exceptions.
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On November 05 2011 04:50 ven wrote:
I don't adblock specifically I just don't allow javascript which as a bonus blocks almost all ads. New TL layout doesn't even fit my laptop screen, nevermind all the small glitches when not using Windows, so for now I'm too angry to spend time on creating exceptions.
What small glitches? I spend more time on TL on Chromium/Ubuntu 10.04 than I do on my Windows 7 machine and haven't noticed any glitches.
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I just adblocked the adblock-elephant, i cant stand advertisement.
If u need help to block it in opera, ask me.
User was warned for this post
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On November 05 2011 04:31 Mogget wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 04:21 gds wrote:On November 05 2011 04:03 visual77 wrote:
I don't think it is so much that people who view ads see themselves as above those who don't. At least for myself, it is a disgust with the type of posters who say things to the effect of "I have it turned off and I'm happily denying TL any ad revenue." Note that I'm not saying you said that, or anything to that effect, but that vibe has been put out by a number of people in this thread.
And what about the vibe that all adblockers are huge piece of shit in this thread? We think they are because they, because they are denying money to a fantastic organisation because they don't want a tiny banner here or there? or cant watch 5 seconds of adverts every now and then in exchange for otherwise COMPLETELY FREE CONTENT. Its not elitism, we're not bigging ourselves up, we're calling you out for what you are.
Since when did someone elect you a spokesman? Also I and a lot of other people (as many have written in this thread) would gladly pay for a non-ad subscription to tl. And that's discounting the numerous of other ways you can contribute to TL without ever coming close to the ads. Isn't someone dedicating hours and hours to update liqipedia more worth than him doing nothing other than disabling adblock?
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I don't ad-block anyone. Basically all legit websites don't have intrusive ads and they have to pay the bills somehow. Don't see any reason to rob them of income.
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United States13896 Posts
On November 05 2011 04:49 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 01:46 Sufficiency wrote:On November 04 2011 12:32 BreakfastTea wrote:
I use adblock, and to be frank, TLs recent campaign has only pissed me off and I have no intention of removing it. It can't be guaranteed that clickable links will be safe (half the reason to fucking have adblock to begin with). But there's another problem-- the recent "remove adblock" campaign prevents me from even viewing stream content unless I remove adblock. Why should I have to deal with that on TL, especially when I can go directly to the content generator's website to the view that same content and support them directly? I should not have to put my computer at risk in order to view free content, especially when it is third party content. And this doesn't support eSports--it supports TL (I also wonder how much of the ad revenue from streams goes to the content creators? if any, will they be pleased to learn that TL is essentially blocking access to their content for its own gain?). So a loud message to TL: do not ever ask anyone to not utilize a feature on their computer that is desirable for both its convenience and the added safety it provides to the user for your benefit--it makes you look less than legitimate.
And I'll state one of my pet peeves directly: don't fucking play the "support eSports" card.
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And it's also bad from a website usability standpoint, which in turn will decrease traffic. If this stays on as it is, I won't use TL to view streams. This. I would consider un-adblock Teamliquid if TL is willing to reveal its financial record. Otherwise, no. Where do these people come from?
Quick hide the bailout money we got before sc2 hit and we blew up!
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On November 05 2011 04:54 p4NDemik wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 04:49 tree.hugger wrote:On November 05 2011 01:46 Sufficiency wrote:On November 04 2011 12:32 BreakfastTea wrote:
I use adblock, and to be frank, TLs recent campaign has only pissed me off and I have no intention of removing it. It can't be guaranteed that clickable links will be safe (half the reason to fucking have adblock to begin with). But there's another problem-- the recent "remove adblock" campaign prevents me from even viewing stream content unless I remove adblock. Why should I have to deal with that on TL, especially when I can go directly to the content generator's website to the view that same content and support them directly? I should not have to put my computer at risk in order to view free content, especially when it is third party content. And this doesn't support eSports--it supports TL (I also wonder how much of the ad revenue from streams goes to the content creators? if any, will they be pleased to learn that TL is essentially blocking access to their content for its own gain?). So a loud message to TL: do not ever ask anyone to not utilize a feature on their computer that is desirable for both its convenience and the added safety it provides to the user for your benefit--it makes you look less than legitimate.
And I'll state one of my pet peeves directly: don't fucking play the "support eSports" card.
Edit:
And it's also bad from a website usability standpoint, which in turn will decrease traffic. If this stays on as it is, I won't use TL to view streams. This. I would consider un-adblock Teamliquid if TL is willing to reveal its financial record. Otherwise, no. Where do these people come from? Quick hide the bailout money we got before sc2 hit and we blew up! Yeah, brb, I'll respond in more detail but I need to take a quick helicopter ride to my olympic sized swimming pool of money and do some laps first. Can't let all of this ad revenue go to waste!
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I can't get my heard around how much people cry about a fucking 100*200 banner and 5 sec commercials .. you people are pathetic :/
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I don't adblock anything. If something is worth me seeing, then its worth watching a 20 second advertisement or having ads on the page to support it.
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On November 05 2011 04:51 visual77 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 04:50 ven wrote:
I don't adblock specifically I just don't allow javascript which as a bonus blocks almost all ads. New TL layout doesn't even fit my laptop screen, nevermind all the small glitches when not using Windows, so for now I'm too angry to spend time on creating exceptions. What small glitches? I spend more time on TL on Chromium/Ubuntu 10.04 than I do on my Windows 7 machine and haven't noticed any glitches.
Different spacing on the fonts creates more line breaks, especially in the left pane. Also pretty much any form was too wide and broke the layout (eg. login form and replay filters). Do you have Microsoft fonts installed?
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On November 04 2011 17:30 Manifesto7 wrote:
The people that come to my house don't hang towels over the paintings they deem "not a celebration of the intelligence of man".
On November 04 2011 21:12 tree.hugger wrote:
Nobody is being banned because they adblock TL. If you want to adblock TL, that's your prerogative. But then to come into this thread, and justify it with a reason like "I'm against advertising on principle" or "I'm taking a bold stand for my privacy against an Orwellian advertising complex" is simply insulting. Honestly, it calls into question whether you've ever taken public transportation, bought their own food, or even left their room. It's like going to a dinner party and refusing to help wash the dishes, because they'll just get dirty again anyway.
You guys are speaking indignantly even though your 'house invitation' model is severely flawed.
(1) I have a house too. It's called my computer. Your HTML is a guest in my house. If I ask you to wipe your feed at the door... well, you don't have a choice, I'll do it for you.
(2) If you invite someone over to your house and they tell you that the art you display is offensive, or the food you serve will make them sick... your response should not be 'GTFO ungrateful moochers' unless you're a bad host. You accommodate reasonable requests, or you don't invite people over.
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On November 05 2011 04:41 jester- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 04:31 Mogget wrote:On November 05 2011 04:21 gds wrote:On November 05 2011 04:03 visual77 wrote:
I don't think it is so much that people who view ads see themselves as above those who don't. At least for myself, it is a disgust with the type of posters who say things to the effect of "I have it turned off and I'm happily denying TL any ad revenue." Note that I'm not saying you said that, or anything to that effect, but that vibe has been put out by a number of people in this thread.
And what about the vibe that all adblockers are huge piece of shit in this thread? We think they are because they, because they are denying money to a fantastic organisation because they don't want a tiny banner here or there? or cant watch 5 seconds of adverts every now and then in exchange for otherwise COMPLETELY FREE CONTENT. Its not elitism, we're not bigging ourselves up, we're calling you out for what you are. How can anyone disagree with this logic... Calling people pieces of shit because they don't want to view commercial advertisements? Have you ever heard of freedom of choice? Using your logic, I'd say that you're worse because you criticize people for exercising their freedom on the internet by not viewing ads and you are actively participating in open discrimination with hateful intent. I can't go into your "comment" any further without getting disrespectful.
^ This exactly.
While I agree that there's no real reason to block ads on Team Liquid since they're unobtrusive, it's still up to the individual to choose. It's their PC, it's their internet, it's their browsing experience.
While it's obvious that the people who are saying "yes, I'll block ads because I'm a badass ePirate Anon, f*ck TL!" are obviously trolling, the people donning their pearl-white-knight of the Interwebz riding the Moral Stallion on a pedestal aren't exactly doing everybody a favor, either. See how both can be perceived when dumb comments like "people who block ads on Team Liquid should GTFO" are thrown around?
This thread really should be closed, for exactly this reason:
On November 04 2011 21:12 tree.hugger wrote:
Nobody is being banned because they adblock TL. If you want to adblock TL, that's your prerogative. But then to come into this thread, and justify it with a reason like "I'm against advertising on principle" or "I'm taking a bold stand for my privacy against an Orwellian advertising complex" is simply insulting. Honestly, it calls into question whether you've ever taken public transportation, bought their own food, or even left their room. It's like going to a dinner party and refusing to help wash the dishes, because they'll just get dirty again anyway.
I don't foresee an intelligent, valid, interesting discussion from the topic, as the 40+ pages prior has proven.
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On November 05 2011 04:57 neurosx wrote:
I can't get my heard around how much people cry about a fucking 100*200 banner and 5 sec commercials .. you people are pathetic :/
More name calling and generalizing please.
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