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aebriol
Norway2066 Posts
On October 23 2011 04:24 Probe1 wrote: It's not about parity or saving the entire world. We just need to stop ignoring Africa, specifically this time Congo, and letting mass murder, torture and genocides pass by. You want to commit 100 000 US troops to Congo? Go ahead. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
This is much more difficult than simply sending troops. | ||
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DoubleZee
Canada556 Posts
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BerserKr
Chile101 Posts
No need to say it was extremly shocking, and obviously signed the petition. | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
The problem is a serious one but they failed at really shocking the audience. The internet in general does a much better job than that. Here is a successful attempt: | ||
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Reven2
Sweden13 Posts
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Massing
Germany354 Posts
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Zinnwaldite
Norway1567 Posts
On October 23 2011 06:24 Massing wrote: story of the film is we dont care about black people We don't care about black people,, black people don't care about black people,, people don't care about people.. | ||
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Massing
Germany354 Posts
On October 23 2011 06:32 Zinnwaldite wrote: We don't care about black people,, black people don't care about black people,, people don't care about people.. tbh and shameful its more disturbing for me to see a white child starving than a black one. Dont know why, maybe because im white or because im grown up with that awful hungry african kids pics and vids. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5080 Posts
Come on. That's just how the factions get their money for modern weapons. If they couldn't, they'd kill each other with machetes and sticks and stones, like in Rwanda. The West needs to stop blaming itself for other people behaving badly. Sorry, they wouldn't be singing kumbaya and having drum circles if we weren't buying minerals for cell phones. Factions and tribes have been killing each other in chronic warfare since the dawn of man - and Westerners weren't immune to it either. We just graduated from tribes / factions to nation-states and from chronic mid-intensity warfare to industrial war and strategic bombing. So maybe graduated isn't quite the right word. | ||
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aebriol
Norway2066 Posts
On October 23 2011 04:44 Probe1 wrote: If there was an easy solution like sending 100,000 soldiers it would be done and everyone could argue over it vicariously with tshirts and bumper stickers. This is much more difficult than simply sending troops. Not really. Thing is no one wants their soldiers dying there for those people - not your citizens. That's just fact. There's no doubt that NATO have the military power to destroy all the forces fighting there, and provide peacekeeping forces, but the cost is prohibitive, and would have to involve us pretty much take over the country - which no one wants to do. It's not about 'sending troops' it's about troops dying for some place no one understands why you should be involved in. There's just 30 000 troops fighting or so ... Either way, the biggest problem in congo is not rape - it's disease and famine. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
On October 23 2011 06:41 Massing wrote: tbh and shameful its more disturbing for me to see a white child starving than a black one. Dont know why, maybe because im white or because im grown up with that awful hungry african kids pics and vids. Yeah from what I understand thats natural. Its instincts ingrained in to your head to be more apathetic towards those unlike you as a survival mechanism. | ||
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YipMan
372 Posts
On October 23 2011 02:03 KeksX wrote: Okay here's what I think of the short film, I put it in spoiler-tags because it's a fucking insult to the victims. I thought I could watch the film because normally this kind of stuff doesn't "touch" me as I know it's just a fictional movie, but this one is just HORSE SHIT. I hate the creators, I hate the people that came up with this, and I want to punch them in the face. THIS is the kind of stuff that make people think "Oh rape doesn't happen that bad look at this movie it's SOOO unrealistic no way this is real." It's the worst way to draw attention to something. What do you think when you watch this movie? Do you think that you get the point? Do you now think that you want to help people and that this is a bad thing? If you did before, yes, you probably still do, but if you had no intention doing that before or if you weren't aware of this now everything you think is "wow that movie is so disgusting". To hell with the creators of this short film. Don't get me wrong but i really do think you didn't get the point. Also i can not understand how you can generalize peoples opinions on that movie, that is yours and only yours. It is not that this movie is about rape, it is about arbitrariness, tyranny, brutal tyranny, defenselessness and of course globalization. We dare to take all the profit and benifit from globalization, but we do not want to question how all of this is achieved. I acknowledge many things you brought up. But you want to hate and punch the directors in the face? Yes, i guess you are right about the double standards, but again, probably it's the societies fault... *sarcasm And trying to compare the crime situation in the US, UK or Germany with the situation for example in most of the Third world countries is just foolish. Many of you guys stated that they "were not shocked". Sure, as an internet veteran in times of rotten websites and these brainfart movies like hostel or saw and what else, i don't even know... OF COURSE it is difficult to be shocked if you blunt because of such shit! What would it actually take to shock you nowadays? A real murder? No? A picture of a cut vagina with the note *real and authentic"? How blunt can people become.... The movie is made that emotional because most people do think more deeply about it when their heart is touched rather than if they get raw numbers or stats served. It's not only about rational ethics but about the ability to empathize. You can always say that the correlation is so strange, that there are so many relations, companies, people or contracts between "Us" and "them", that it makes no sense to feel "responsible". But sooner or later you will recognize that most things on earth engage with eachother, although you can not perceive it directly. It is a thought-provoking short film, it's not the greatest art movie wise that's for sure, but we are discussing, no? So it has done some duty. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Exports/Economy of Congo] + The economy of the Democratic Republic of the Congo - a nation endowed with vast potential wealth - is slowly recovering from decades of decline. Systemic corruption since independence in 1960 and conflict that began in May 1997 has dramatically reduced national output and government revenue, increased external debt, and resulted in the deaths of more than 5 million people from violence, famine, and disease. Foreign businesses curtailed operations due to uncertainty about the outcome of the conflict, lack of infrastructure, and the difficult operating environment. Conditions began to improve in late 2002 with the withdrawal of a large portion of the invading foreign troops. The transitional government reopened relations with international financial institutions and international donors, and President KABILA began implementing reforms. Progress has been slow and the International Monetary Fund curtailed their program for the DRC at the end of March 2006 because of fiscal overruns. Much economic activity still occurs in the informal sector, and is not reflected in GDP data. Renewed activity in the mining sector, the source of most export income, boosted Kinshasa's fiscal position and GDP growth from 2006-2008, however, the government's review of mining contracts that began in 2006, combined with a fall in world market prices for the DRC's key mineral exports temporarily weakened output in 2009, leading to a balance of payments crisis. The recovery in mineral prices beginning in mid 2009 boosted mineral exports, and emergency funds from the IMF boosted foreign reserves. An uncertain legal framework, corruption, and a lack of transparency in government policy are long-term problems for the mining sector and for the economy as a whole. The global recession cut economic growth in 2009 to less than half its 2008 level, but growth returned to 6% in 2010. The DRC signed a Poverty Reduction and Growth Facility with the IMF in 2009 and received $12 billion in multilateral and bilateral debt relief in 2010. source: CIA World Factbook GDP by sector agriculture (55%), industry (11%), services (34%) (2000) Main industries mining (diamonds, gold, copper, cobalt, coltan, zinc), mineral processing, consumer products (including textiles, footwear, cigarettes, processed foods and beverages), cement, commercial ship repair Ease of Doing Business Rank 182nd source: wikipedia Looks like a number of different responses exist. What can be done to encourage pro-business reforms, encouraging foreigner investment? What can be done about internal corruption? I mean, do we really wanna bankrupt a country, ruin a prime export to show that the territory isn't worth fighting over, *ahem* raping over? Will this stop the wars, stop the method of waging war, or contribute to anything besides increased poverty? -- Think the movie creators need to do some more thinking about the thrust of the film. | ||
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firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
 but i signed the petition | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
Well, 5 million years is the mean life time of a species and I think we are already overtime... Signed, it won't do anything though. Made me feel a tad better for not using a cell phone. | ||
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LG)Nok
9 Posts
Yes, its common. But the people doing it are criminals, and they go to jail if caught. You really dont see a difference? | ||
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GigaFlop
United States1146 Posts
And one time I watched all of 2girls1cup :/ Rape is a horrible, horrible thing... | ||
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adelise
85 Posts
Signed it | ||
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HaRuHi
1220 Posts
but there was nothing in that video that was terrifying or shocking. Like it really missed out on shocking images which I think are needed to move someone, I am still crying/raging about the chinese toddler, but there was not even partial nudity in this movie and the "gore" scence would make it into a disney movie anytime. A really failed attempt imo. | ||
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