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We are extremely close to shutting down this thread for the same reasons the PUA thread was shut down. While some of the time this thread contains actual discussion with people asking help and people giving nice advice, it often gets derailed by rubbish that should not be here. The moderation team will be trying to steer this thread in a different direction from now on.

Posts of the following nature are banned:
1) ANYTHING regarding PUA. If your post contains the words 'alpha' or 'beta' or anything of that sort please don't hit post.
2) Stupid brags. You can tell us about your nice success stories with someone, but posts such as 'lol 50 Tinder matches' are a no-no.
3) Any misogynistic bullshit, including discussion about rape culture.
4) One night stands and random sex. These are basically brags that invariably devolve into gender role discussions and misogynistic comments.

Last chance, guys. This thread is for dating advice and sharing dating stories. While gender roles, sociocultural norms, and our biological imperative to reproduce are all tangentially related, these subjects are not the main purpose of the thread. Please AVOID these discussions. If you want to discuss them at length, go to PMs or start a blog. If you disagree with someone's ideologies, state that you disagree with them and why they won't work from a dating standpoint and move on. We will not tolerate any lengthy derailments that aren't directly about dating.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18875 Posts
June 05 2016 14:42 GMT
#16961
PUA refers to "Pick-Up Artist." TL doesn't really like pick-up artists
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46686 Posts
June 05 2016 14:44 GMT
#16962
On June 05 2016 23:38 Dumbledore wrote:
Can someone PM me what PUA is? I have no idéa what the disclaimer thing is talking about lol :p


Pick Up Artist... a supposed master of "playing the game" to pick up tons of chicks and bed them... PUAs are often known to overly objectify women though, and often times only care about superficial things (e.g., "What's the easiest way to "get laid/ get pussy"). This thread is more about dating and acknowledging that women are people too, and don't exist for the sole purpose of your one night stands
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18875 Posts
June 05 2016 14:48 GMT
#16963
Outside the moral considerations, PUA techniques also don't really work and are particularly alluring to TL's base, that being video game nerds who are likely a bit too confident in build orders and overly formal ways of solving problems. Accordingly, its helpful that the forum's policies so clearly steer folks away from PUA ways of thinking.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
June 05 2016 15:04 GMT
#16964
Another reason PUA stuff is frowned upon because a lot of it relies on manipulation. As a psychologic study it's actually pretty interesting, it's just abused too much...
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
June 05 2016 16:04 GMT
#16965
All interaction is based on manipulation either way though. Just because it's not for only sex doesn't mean you don't try to cause a certain outcome.
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46686 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-05 16:36:03
June 05 2016 16:35 GMT
#16966
On June 06 2016 01:04 Dark_Chill wrote:
All interaction is based on manipulation either way though. Just because it's not for only sex doesn't mean you don't try to cause a certain outcome.


I think that's more of a semantics argument in using the word "manipulation". Also, the intended outcomes/ goals are different.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-05 16:56:37
June 05 2016 16:44 GMT
#16967
It's basically a person who focuses on the end goal of sleeping with as many women as soon as possible and achieving it through canned pre-learned and rehearsed manipulation techniques such as openers, routines etc.

Other side of the same coin is a person who focuses on the goal of getting into a relationship and achieving it through manipulation techniques such as pleasing, adapting to her personality, dishonesty, withholding own traits and opinions he fears might be undesirable and forcing commitment.

It was basically a self-help movement bubble and routines, openers etc. are actually widely renounced by the very people who came up with them, even those who still work in the industry.
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
June 05 2016 17:02 GMT
#16968
On June 05 2016 23:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2016 19:10 B.I.G. wrote:
great battle report volband. got me all nostalgic.


I'm really hoping it's a Bo3. He should live report it next time.

Haha, it would've been 3 pages of "WTF" and "gggggggggg" once I got to live report to you that she has 2 vaginas. She still owes me fucking ~4$ but as tempting it is to chat her up, it's basically gambling. I should quit here and maybe wait if she'll initiate something or not before the 14th of June. That's when she voluntarily goes to that mental ward. Typing that out felt a bit weird, I have to say!

The girl I eventually asked out seen my message but did not respond, for two days now, so got cold shouldered. You can't win them all, right? Bonus round: I went through the pictures of this crazy girl, and turns out they are (or were) friends, even posed on a photo together. I'm fairly sure there is a possible threesome in this story somewhere.

The woman (the mature one) said she fell sick yesterday, did not even go to work, but it usually passes in a few days, so she hopes we can have our meeting Tuesday. I don't think the experiences I gained the other day would be useful on Tuesday (and I hope so, because my ringfinger is still in agony), but at least I am not stressing about how I'm going to greet her. However, I still plan to leave the decision of where we go and what we do up to her. After all, it's me visiting her in her own city. Though if she asks me what I'd like, I'm going to say I'd be fine to walk through the city a bit then settle down in a café of some sort.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46686 Posts
June 05 2016 18:46 GMT
#16969
I'm not sure what your financial situation is, but I wouldn't lose sleep over $4.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
June 05 2016 19:06 GMT
#16970
On June 06 2016 03:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I'm not sure what your financial situation is, but I wouldn't lose sleep over $4.

I was just jesting. :D Aside from that, I mentioned it because that's a topic to initiate a conversation/meeting about, because she was keen on saying she'll pay me back.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46686 Posts
June 05 2016 19:20 GMT
#16971
On June 06 2016 04:06 Volband wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 03:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I'm not sure what your financial situation is, but I wouldn't lose sleep over $4.

I was just jesting. :D Aside from that, I mentioned it because that's a topic to initiate a conversation/meeting about, because she was keen on saying she'll pay me back.


Ah okay iirc, you had mentioned about each of you buying things for like $1 or so and it sounded like a big deal. Having more topics of conversation to initiate is a good thing!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
bloodwhore~
Profile Joined September 2014
1010 Posts
June 05 2016 20:32 GMT
#16972
Are you seriously even considering meeting her again after that date?
"Allahu akbar" - Techies.
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
June 05 2016 20:33 GMT
#16973
I used
http://www.fromtexttospeech.com/
to create my very own bed time story from Volbands post.
Thanks mate
This is our town, scrub
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
June 05 2016 20:38 GMT
#16974
this is actually amazing,
try it out guys
This is our town, scrub
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-05 20:49:45
June 05 2016 20:48 GMT
#16975
On June 06 2016 05:32 bloodwhore~ wrote:
Are you seriously even considering meeting her again after that date?

Hey, if she would initiate it or if it would require only a minimal effort, why not? Aside from the whole batshit crazy part, of course. Empire Strikes Back was better than A New Hope.

On June 06 2016 05:38 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
this is actually amazing,
try it out guys

Seems like I managed to please a lot of people! Not sure if this thread will ever be ready for me having sex.
bloodwhore~
Profile Joined September 2014
1010 Posts
June 05 2016 20:49 GMT
#16976
On June 06 2016 05:48 Volband wrote:
Hey, if she would initiate it or if it would require only a minimal effort, why not? Aside from the whole batshit crazy part, of course. Empire Strikes Back was better than A New Hope.

I guess "Don't stick your dick in crazy" is a lesson best learned yourself.
"Allahu akbar" - Techies.
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
June 05 2016 20:54 GMT
#16977
On June 06 2016 05:48 Volband wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 05:32 bloodwhore~ wrote:
Are you seriously even considering meeting her again after that date?

Hey, if she would initiate it or if it would require only a minimal effort, why not? Aside from the whole batshit crazy part, of course. Empire Strikes Back was better than A New Hope.

Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 05:38 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
this is actually amazing,
try it out guys

Seems like I managed to please a lot of people! Not sure if this thread will ever be ready for me having sex.

the two minutes that will be your first time will be so dissapointing compared to the telltale you just survived
This is our town, scrub
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
June 05 2016 21:02 GMT
#16978
On June 06 2016 05:49 bloodwhore~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 05:48 Volband wrote:
Hey, if she would initiate it or if it would require only a minimal effort, why not? Aside from the whole batshit crazy part, of course. Empire Strikes Back was better than A New Hope.

I guess "Don't stick your dick in crazy" is a lesson best learned yourself.

Meh, I know it would be a mistake, but all I'm saying if it would (literally?) fall into my lap, I might as well bring it home. Won't actively pursue it anyway; I'm pretty sure she's like a boomerang and would just message me one absolute random day.
On June 06 2016 05:54 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 05:48 Volband wrote:
On June 06 2016 05:32 bloodwhore~ wrote:
Are you seriously even considering meeting her again after that date?

Hey, if she would initiate it or if it would require only a minimal effort, why not? Aside from the whole batshit crazy part, of course. Empire Strikes Back was better than A New Hope.

On June 06 2016 05:38 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
this is actually amazing,
try it out guys

Seems like I managed to please a lot of people! Not sure if this thread will ever be ready for me having sex.

the two minutes that will be your first time will be so dissapointing compared to the telltale you just survived

Come on man, if you won't give me the benefit of doubt to be a total stud ~30 minutes after that, at least assume I'll find a way to make the circumstances or pre-/after-play interesting! Also, do not underestimate my ability to fuck up even the simplest of things. :D
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
June 05 2016 21:17 GMT
#16979
On June 06 2016 06:02 Volband wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 05:49 bloodwhore~ wrote:
On June 06 2016 05:48 Volband wrote:
Hey, if she would initiate it or if it would require only a minimal effort, why not? Aside from the whole batshit crazy part, of course. Empire Strikes Back was better than A New Hope.

I guess "Don't stick your dick in crazy" is a lesson best learned yourself.

Meh, I know it would be a mistake, but all I'm saying if it would (literally?) fall into my lap, I might as well bring it home. Won't actively pursue it anyway; I'm pretty sure she's like a boomerang and would just message me one absolute random day.
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 05:54 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
On June 06 2016 05:48 Volband wrote:
On June 06 2016 05:32 bloodwhore~ wrote:
Are you seriously even considering meeting her again after that date?

Hey, if she would initiate it or if it would require only a minimal effort, why not? Aside from the whole batshit crazy part, of course. Empire Strikes Back was better than A New Hope.

On June 06 2016 05:38 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
this is actually amazing,
try it out guys

Seems like I managed to please a lot of people! Not sure if this thread will ever be ready for me having sex.

the two minutes that will be your first time will be so dissapointing compared to the telltale you just survived

Come on man, if you won't give me the benefit of doubt to be a total stud ~30 minutes after that, at least assume I'll find a way to make the circumstances or pre-/after-play interesting! Also, do not underestimate my ability to fuck up even the simplest of things. :D

youll do fine im sure
good luck mate and if i may add my very personal opinion, try to find someone whom you have some feelings for to spend your first time with and not some crazy witch
This is our town, scrub
bloodwhore~
Profile Joined September 2014
1010 Posts
June 05 2016 21:22 GMT
#16980
On June 06 2016 06:02 Volband wrote:Meh, I know it would be a mistake

That seems like a somewhat odd mindset hehe. I guess if you just want to get your dick wet, go ahead, however you don't really seem like the type that couldn't fuck someone who was slightly sane.
"Allahu akbar" - Techies.
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