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We are extremely close to shutting down this thread for the same reasons the PUA thread was shut down. While some of the time this thread contains actual discussion with people asking help and people giving nice advice, it often gets derailed by rubbish that should not be here. The moderation team will be trying to steer this thread in a different direction from now on. Posts of the following nature are banned: 1) ANYTHING regarding PUA. If your post contains the words 'alpha' or 'beta' or anything of that sort please don't hit post. 2) Stupid brags. You can tell us about your nice success stories with someone, but posts such as 'lol 50 Tinder matches' are a no-no. 3) Any misogynistic bullshit, including discussion about rape culture. 4) One night stands and random sex. These are basically brags that invariably devolve into gender role discussions and misogynistic comments. Last chance, guys. This thread is for dating advice and sharing dating stories. While gender roles, sociocultural norms, and our biological imperative to reproduce are all tangentially related, these subjects are not the main purpose of the thread. Please AVOID these discussions. If you want to discuss them at length, go to PMs or start a blog. If you disagree with someone's ideologies, state that you disagree with them and why they won't work from a dating standpoint and move on. We will not tolerate any lengthy derailments that aren't directly about dating. | ||
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Snotling
Germany885 Posts
On July 19 2015 23:18 SixStrings wrote: And I don't even understand how you could possibly misconstrue that as racism. It's kinda worrying that you can't even see how racist that first sentence is. | ||
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SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
On July 19 2015 23:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Not misconstrue. It's explicitly racist lol. Emphasis on the brown babies and how minority mothers apparently sleep around and wish they could just dump their problems on a rich guy. Classy. I'm talking about white girls. | ||
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Snotling
Germany885 Posts
And still the sentence is racist, implying non white men are more likely to father children and then leave the women. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46516 Posts
How don't you see that "I didn't mean to stereotype Race X; I meant to stereotype Race Y!" doesn't stop it from being a racist remark? | ||
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SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
Jesus Christ... | ||
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Geiko
France2036 Posts
It just stereotypes a behavior that "white-trash" girls like to hook up with black men and are too stupid to wear protection. You can gree or not with the statement but Sterotypes != racism afaik. And not everything in relation to skin color is racist. I could very well say that black men are less educated than white men and I would probably be right (skin color coralated to wealth coralated to education) but if I say it in a derogatory fashion and start implying that the statement applys to all black people it becomes racist. | ||
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Snotling
Germany885 Posts
On July 20 2015 00:26 Geiko wrote: This isn't necessarely racist... It just stereotypes a behavior that "white-trash" girls like to hook up with black men and are too stupid to wear protection. You can gree or not with the statement but Sterotypes != racism afaik. And not everything in relation to skin color is racist. I could very well say that black men are less educated than white men and I would probably be right (skin color coralated to wealth coralated to education) but if I say it in a derogatory fashion and start implying that the statement applys to all black people it becomes racist. Brining up racial stereotypes in a negative way is more or less the definition of a racist remark. | ||
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SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
On July 20 2015 00:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: How don't you see that "I didn't mean to stereotype Race X; I meant to stereotype Race Y!" doesn't stop it from being a racist remark? Look, you grew up in a more multi-cultural society, so you may not understand this, but when I think of women, they're usually white, just because pretty much every woman I know is white. Not because I choose to surround myself only with whites, not because I'm an awful person, just because those are the people who live where I live. So forgive me for not being inclusive about my whoring-around joke, next time I make sure the ficticious dumpster-babies are multi-cultural enough for your liking. Twat... | ||
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Geiko
France2036 Posts
Over sensibility on these subjects is just as dangerous as the opposite. I should be able to say things like "I probably won't get the best grade in this math test because of some random asian kid" without it being racist. Same for "dude that guy hasn't got much chances with this chick, hés asian and shés white". Both of these comments are based on stereotypes and race issues but both have a somewhat statistical truth behind them. | ||
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Geiko
France2036 Posts
People feel entitled to cry "racism" as soon as someone uses the word "white" "black" or "brown" in a sentence where something entirely positive isn't being said. | ||
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Mikau
Netherlands1446 Posts
On July 20 2015 00:44 SixStrings wrote: Look, you grew up in a more multi-cultural society, so you may not understand this, but when I think of women, they're usually white, just because pretty much every woman I know is white. Not because I choose to surround myself only with whites, not because I'm an awful person, just because those are the people who live where I live. So forgive me for not being inclusive about my whoring-around joke, next time I make sure the ficticious dumpster-babies are multi-cultural enough for your liking. Twat... That's not what he's saying at all. He's saying you're stereotyping/being racist against black people (because white mother + black father = 'brownish babies'). He didn't imply that you should've also included black women in your bigoted bullshit, but that you should've excluded those black fathers (or straight up the mention of 'brownish babies', lol). Your initial statement works just as well if you'd just said 'a litter of babies with different fathers' without mention of race at all, and you wouldn't come across as a bigoted idiot in the process. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On July 20 2015 00:51 Mikau wrote: That's not what he's saying at all. He's saying you're stereotyping/being racist against black people (because white mother + black father = 'brownish babies'). He didn't imply that you should've also included black women in your bigoted bullshit, but that you should've excluded those black fathers (or straight up the mention of 'brownish babies', lol). Your initial statement works just as well if you'd just said 'a litter of babies with different fathers' without mention of race at all, and you wouldn't come across as a bigoted idiot in the process. Why stop there? Why not call him a racist against white people because he insinuates white girls can't keep their legs closed? The joke works because it has imagery to it. You have a clear picture in your head the way he says it. Your way works too but it doesn't work as well. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46516 Posts
On July 20 2015 00:51 Mikau wrote: That's not what he's saying at all. He's saying you're stereotyping/being racist against black people (because white mother + black father = 'brownish babies'). He didn't imply that you should've also included black women in your bigoted bullshit, but that you should've excluded those black fathers (or straight up the mention of 'brownish babies', lol). Your initial statement works just as well if you'd just said 'a litter of babies with different fathers' without mention of race at all, and you wouldn't come across as a bigoted idiot in the process. Exactly. It has nothing to do with multiculturalism lol. But anyways, I don't want to be a part of derailing the thread any further. | ||
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Mikau
Netherlands1446 Posts
On July 20 2015 00:56 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Why stop there? Why not call him a racist against white people because he insinuates white girls can't keep their legs closed? The joke works because it has imagery to it. You have a clear picture in your head the way he says it. Your way works too but it doesn't work as well. I didn't read it that way (in regards to white women), but you could probably make that argument if you cared to. I don't really care if the joke does or doesn't work. It's bigoted and in poor taste, and in my opinion is not for this thread, regardless of whether or not it's racist (and I don't care to argue whether it is or isn't personally). | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34507 Posts
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On July 20 2015 01:02 Mikau wrote: I didn't read it that way (in regards to white women), but you could probably make that argument if you cared to. I don't really care if the joke does or doesn't work. It's bigoted and in poor taste, and in my opinion is not for this thread, regardless of whether or not it's racist (and I don't care to argue whether it is or isn't personally). Well, we can always agree to disagree. I chuckled. Also at the "four babies from six different fathers" bit. EDIT: RIP | ||
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boon2537
United States905 Posts
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Snotling
Germany885 Posts
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18464 Posts
On July 20 2015 03:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I hope so. We've lost Shauni, NeuroticPsychosis, and now SixStrings. Who will be our guiding light now? Mb SoSexy will come back to be our knight in shining armor. And with knight I mean misogenist and with "in shining armor" I mean bragging about exploiting women. However, nobody had all that down quite as well as SixStrings. SS: if you´re reading this, we´ll miss your outrageous adventures! Good luck on your exchange program! | ||
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