On October 11 2011 15:55 frugalfungal wrote: you guys don't have to make a debate about every single thing that happens on TL. He died and that's all to it, RIP Steve Jobs
is this your first death memorial thread? TL users were quick to shit on ryan dunn and amy whinehouse without giving a second thought.
Did you just compare Amy winehouse and Ryan Dunn to Steve jobs. She had it coming for years now. Perhaps Steve Jobs did too with his cancer but whole different level here man. And whoever is shitting on Steve Jobs needs to get their life checked out because that man is a legend and has done more than anyone here will ever do in their life even in only 56 years. RIP.
I still think it was a disgruntled Iphone user who was upset that it was only a 4gs release and there won't be Iphone 5 yet!
On October 11 2011 11:17 Rhine wrote: Why are people in this thread saying he invented the mouse, the operating system, GUIs and who knows what else. This is all false. The mouse is Doug Engelbart's and the modern GUI (the WIMP paradigm) comes from Xerox.
Jobs popularised them (and therein lies the greatness) but he was not some discoverer of computing. In fact, almost none of the things currently attributed to "Apple" were invented at Apple. Great design? Yes. Inventors? No...
I don't think anybody worth two cents gives Steve Jobs the credit for inventing the GUI, or the mouse, or the WIMP paradigm. However, Xerox didn't know what to do with the technology. Steve Jobs did. He not only had the vision of what to do with technology; he also had the vision to pick the right people and give them the adequate resources—and direction—to create.
Steve Jobs was not the most prolific inventor in a technical level, but he understood technology far more than people give him credit for.
Here are some good pieces:
1. technology by itself is useless; it needs to provide something to the customer. Furthermore, it should be invisible to the user.
To provide some context, OpenDoc started as an IBM/Apple initiative to make document creation vendor-independent. In paper it was great, but it never produced something people could reliably use, and the end result was not better. It was one of the first things that Jobs killed when returning to Apple.
2. seamless cloud computing. And by seamless, completely transparent to the user, no need to know the data is in the server. iCloud is *a lot* like this, where the cloud is integrated at the application level, and changes are synced "automagically". This is a step further from say, Dropbox, where you need to specify what files are to be synced by a third party program.
3. "It's incredibly stupid for Apple to be in a position where for Apple to win Microsoft has to lose". The basis of Apple's long-term winning strategy.
Steve Jobs understood back then that Apple should not play the game of the competition (Microsoft in software, Wintel in hardware). This is what allowed them to do their own thing, and be the one company than no matter the market share, they remain profitable and successful. See what happened with HP, current market share leader in the consumer market. if you don't know, performance is so bad HP is seriously considering to exit the market, like IBM did with Lenovo.
(This is also why I think Kindle Fire will be the most successful non-Apple tablet: unlike everybody else, especially the Android tablet makers, Amazon is not going after Apple. Amazon is doing their own thing, focusing on the value of their own market, just like how Apple does.)
Really, watch all five parts. This is right after Steve Jobs' return to Apple in 1997, and you can see how Jobs had a very good idea of where he wanted Apple to go. This is also in a Developer Conference, so you get to see him talk to technical people, outside of the usual Keynote style most people only know him for.
Steve Jobs also was a big driver of the architecture of the NeXT operating system and development toolkit. The machines were extremely expensive, but they were truly ahead of their time. It is no coincidence that despite the price they were very popular for research, and technologies such as the World Wide Web were created on NeXT computers.
It may not look like much today, but this is from the early 90s, where most people was still on DOS and had little notion of networking.
On October 09 2011 10:33 HellRoxYa wrote: You're talking about marketing. And that's what he did. Almost all that he did. And yes, he was an expert at it.
"If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses." - Henry Ford.
It's a lot more than marketing. Regular users will be biased towards what they already know, and that is not a good way to figure out the next big thing.
Before the iPhone, the notion of a "good" smartphone having no keyboard was laughable, web browsing was an painful gimmick, and touch screens were nowhere as good as a stylus.
That was because the most popular smartphones were Blackberrys, there was no such thing as a real good mobile web browser (Mozilla was working on a version for the Nokia N series but took them too long), and the best touch screen cellpones available were clunky.
Sure, touch screen typing is mot as good as keyboard, but Apple provided way too many advantages with everything else.
(This is also why I think Kindle Fire will be the most successful non-Apple tablet: unlike everybody else, especially the Android tablet makers, Amazon is not going after Apple. Amazon is doing their own thing, focusing on the value of their own market, just like how Apple does.)
Android, as a strategy, exists to push Google's services onto consumers so its by no means as benevolent as everyone wants to make it out to be. The Amazon Fire is literally a Trojan horse in that they basically take Google's operating system and cut out everything Google wants Android to do: Amazon is pushing their own web service and data collector, that is Silk (Opera 2.0?), as well as push their own digital stores.
Amazon is likely going to subsidies the hardware and recoup it on increased usage of their services - Amazon can probably decrease the total cost per unit since I imagine they're extremely good at inventory management. Its cheap enough for people to buy it without thinking too much about it, its cheaper than Android tablets that offer nothing compared to the iPad, and it allows Amazon to start pushing/branching out their digital services more strongly. Its probably not going to be very good as an actual device but its so cheap that buyer's remorse probably isn't going to kick in.
This is an example of good marketing. Marketing isn't just pushing advertisements. Marketing includes building business relationships, targeting areas where you can outmaneuver your opponent, building good relationships with suppliers/manufacturers to decrease production costs, as well as branding (which is the only thing people only look at it seems).
“I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple’s $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong. I’m going to destroy Android, because it’s a stolen product. I’m willing to go thermonuclear war on this.”
Quote from his biography. What a douche, somehow i'm glad his thermonuclear war epicly failed. Too bad he isn't here anymore to witness Apple lose their number 1 smartphone maker spot to Samsung.
A stolen product ? iphone is nothing more then a ripoff too..
I just saw on the news that he didn't want to have surgery and tried to eat fruits and vegetables or some shit, then wanted surgery when it was too late. What the hell?
You should read the wikileaks page. The last sentence says 'Due to the contradictory dates, possible evidence of forgery, strong motivations for fabrication, and few motivations for a legitimate revelation, the images should not be taken at face value.' So you should have at least said 'May have been HIV positive'.
excuse me but are you an idiot who thinks chemotherapy doesn't work? tell that to my father who had stage 2 breast cancer 10 years ago and was given 2 years to live.
excuse me but are you an idiot who thinks chemotherapy doesn't work? tell that to my father who had stage 2 breast cancer 10 years ago and was given 2 years to live.
thanks
It's a risky thing man, good to hear your father pulled through though.
excuse me but are you an idiot who thinks chemotherapy doesn't work? tell that to my father who had stage 2 breast cancer 10 years ago and was given 2 years to live.
thanks
It does work, but to do so it weakens the body first, nutrition is the better way to go, my friend's father decided to opt for chemo, everything the nutritionist said would happen did, he passed away unfortunately...
You should read the wikileaks page. The last sentence says 'Due to the contradictory dates, possible evidence of forgery, strong motivations for fabrication, and few motivations for a legitimate revelation, the images should not be taken at face value.' So you should have at least said 'May have been HIV positive'.
On October 21 2011 21:04 John Madden wrote: He wasn't a douche like that, you are reading it out of context.
No, the context of it is pretty bad. He hated Schmidt after he left Apple's board and believed Google stole their ideas, which is ironic for Jobs himself. And there's a lot of other indications that he was a douche like that. He was not a kind person. His greatness doesn't extend outside the upper class or the business and technology world. Everything he worked on was a first world problem, and the people mourning him are those who are lucky enough to pay for his products. When they say he "changed the world," they mean "he made things more convenient for rich folks."
It's one thing to mourn a man, but people have taken it too far with the idolatry, especially in California.
On October 21 2011 21:04 John Madden wrote: He wasn't a douche like that, you are reading it out of context.
No, the context of it is pretty bad. He hated Schmidt after he left Apple's board and believed Google stole their ideas, which is ironic for Jobs himself. And there's a lot of other indications that he was a douche like that. He was not a kind person. His greatness doesn't extend outside the upper class or the business and technology world. Everything he worked on was a first world problem, and the people mourning him are those who are lucky enough to pay for his products. When they say he "changed the world," they mean "he made things more convenient for rich folks."
It's one thing to mourn a man, but people have taken it too far with the idolatry, especially in California.
I agree with this. You can respect the man for a lot of things, but being a nice guy isn't one of them. hell, ask just about anyone that worked with him what kind of character he had. Steve Jobs was a marketing (and arguably technological) genius, but he certainly wasn't a philanthropist. Don't turn his achievements into a personality cult; people already did that when he was alive.
It's amazing to me how much mourning there is over a guy whose chief contribution to society was a bunch of cheap, unsafely-made, but shiny consumer electronics on a 9 month replacement cycle. I also love how in 'innovation' has completely replaced 'progress' in the modern lexicon, especially when dealing with worship of our corporate overlords.
“I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple’s $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong. I’m going to destroy Android, because it’s a stolen product. I’m willing to go thermonuclear war on this.”
Quote from his biography. What a douche, somehow i'm glad his thermonuclear war epicly failed. Too bad he isn't here anymore to witness Apple lose their number 1 smartphone maker spot to Samsung.
A stolen product ? iphone is nothing more then a ripoff too..
Damn but people have short memories. Do you remember Microsoft Windows? A shameless copy of the Mac OS in many ways, and it went on to dominate the market. When Android came to do the same (the contention here is that Android contains a lot of code that was stolen from iOS), Jobs said 'enough is enough', and wasn't willing to let that happen again.
IF he is right and Android is a stolen product, then I can completely understand and support his crusade against it.
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