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On October 08 2011 22:26 haffy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 17:51 jmbthirteen wrote:On October 08 2011 14:19 koreasilver wrote:On October 08 2011 14:05 Wolf wrote:I still can't fully accept this. Newspaper stand from yesterday: ![[image loading]](http://a.yfrog.com/img864/2218/nvagn.jpg) I cannot understand why this is such a big deal. He changed the way people live forever. Realistically how has he changed the world in a way that's better? Not that I dislike him, but all he's really done is made people more self conscious about their technology and sold products with slight improvements well?
The mouse you're using, he brought that concept into the market.
The windows operating system you're using, he brought that concept to the market.
That's just 2 things.
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The Apple Store in the Louvre was "sieged" by fans of Steve, putting down flowers, pictures, rememberance letters or just some phrases written in every language imaginable. It was actually a moving sight.
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On October 09 2011 09:35 Tien wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 22:26 haffy wrote:On October 08 2011 17:51 jmbthirteen wrote:On October 08 2011 14:19 koreasilver wrote:On October 08 2011 14:05 Wolf wrote:I still can't fully accept this. Newspaper stand from yesterday: I cannot understand why this is such a big deal. He changed the way people live forever. Realistically how has he changed the world in a way that's better? Not that I dislike him, but all he's really done is made people more self conscious about their technology and sold products with slight improvements well? The mouse you're using, he brought that concept into the market. The windows operating system you're using, he brought that concept to the market. That's just 2 things.
The choice of using windows 7, windows xp, or any other linux distribution in my single pc wasn't a concept he brought into the market though.
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On October 09 2011 09:35 Tien wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 22:26 haffy wrote:On October 08 2011 17:51 jmbthirteen wrote:On October 08 2011 14:19 koreasilver wrote:On October 08 2011 14:05 Wolf wrote:I still can't fully accept this. Newspaper stand from yesterday: I cannot understand why this is such a big deal. He changed the way people live forever. Realistically how has he changed the world in a way that's better? Not that I dislike him, but all he's really done is made people more self conscious about their technology and sold products with slight improvements well? The mouse you're using, he brought that concept into the market. The windows operating system you're using, he brought that concept to the market. That's just 2 things.
In Triumph of the Nerds, a fairly mainstream documentary about the rise of the computer industry, they state that xerox originally invented the concept of a mouse, and that someone stole the idea.
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I actually want to thank the engineers who made this technology possible.
everyone has ideas, we all do. There were tons of people who thought of the idea, but noone can make it come true, other than the brilliant skilled engineers and programmers who have the brain of mark zuckerberg.
Mark zuckerberg is the only person I'll thank since he programmed facebook on his own, atleast the majority of the back-end before it went public. Steve Jobs.... just meh
Sure people can give him credit but if you really wanna get technical, he didn't contribute that much other than be at the meeting taking in ideas from people and picking the good ones.
Ideas are not hard, making it come true is the hardest part.
anyways RIP Steve Jobs.
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On October 09 2011 09:30 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 23:16 Mutaahh wrote:On October 08 2011 22:38 windzor wrote:On October 08 2011 22:26 haffy wrote:On October 08 2011 17:51 jmbthirteen wrote:On October 08 2011 14:19 koreasilver wrote:On October 08 2011 14:05 Wolf wrote:I still can't fully accept this. Newspaper stand from yesterday: I cannot understand why this is such a big deal. He changed the way people live forever. Realistically how has he changed the world in a way that's better? Not that I dislike him, but all he's really done is made people more self conscious about their technology and sold products with slight improvements well? In a World where most people thought about getting the newest and coolest features in their software, he changed Apple to not do new things, but take old ideas and make them so normal people use them. Most stuff Apple has made is not new ideas, but older ideas, and connecting stuff together so they just work. Before Apple MS didn't have any OS to compete with. Now OS X is here and is better than Windows on usability. What MS has for them going is that people is used to Windows, so some people don't want to move away. Also before Apple made the IPhone, nobody wanted an Smartphone. They sucked. Was slow and had worst UI ever. If anyone ever tried a Windows Mobile phone before version 7 they would know. Now after the iphone, it's just in the last 2 years that competitors have phone which can compete with IPhone. And that's just because Google went into the industri. Think about how the world would have looked if the answer to Iphone was a Symbian phone... Not pretty. And i would say this, even though I hate mac products myself because they lock people into the way Apple want to do things and give no way to customize stuff. And because their laptops are kinda overpriced. But you can't disregards the impact Steve Jobs with his Apple vision after 1997 has on the IT industry. Now people don't talk about the coolest features, but about that things "Should just work". Though we will never know how the world would have looked like without the iPhone interface... so still its a useless comment imo I respect Steve Job for what he has done to the world and society in general but I must agree that even without iPhone, everything would stay relatively the same. Wouldn't Samsung Galaxy Tab, Blackberry and etc do the same thing? I actually like the interface without Itune better to get musics, just drag and drop.
You shouldn't give examples of products that came out after the Apple version,
Jobs made people realize what they want, whether you take that as a genuine compliment or a backhanded one, it's true.
the Galaxy Tab wouldn't have survived in the market if nobody wanted a tab. Only with the Ipad did people want tablets. Don't you remember the weeks before the Ipad's anouncement? people were talking about how dumb it was as a product, and the name too.
it's kinda like scientific discoveries, when you look back at the history for each discovery, you'll often see different groups of people working on the same idea at the same time, though in the end, only one is remembered by many.
Blackberry is still doing what it's doing,
iPhone just offers different stuff, like the touchscreen, which is all the craze with phones nowadays.
And the App store, that, has changed a lot, though I don't know if Jobs had a hand with this, the App store is one of the craziest things, it allows your phone to do almost anything you can imagine, (also portable games for 99c? completely changed the handheld gaming market, Nintendo's 3DS had to drop like 100$ in 6 months).
Of course you can give tons of examples of products that do something in someway better than the apple products, but when you look at the technology markets, and at the trends around the world. You see that Jobs and Apple were able to change markets so drastically, it was as if there was some new scientific discovery. As if the tablet didn't exist until Jobs said it did... that's the kind of change he was capable of. Like I said. people didn't realize what they wanted, until Jobs told them.
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You're talking about marketing. And that's what he did. Almost all that he did. And yes, he was an expert at it.
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On October 09 2011 09:54 hipsterHobbit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:35 Tien wrote:On October 08 2011 22:26 haffy wrote:On October 08 2011 17:51 jmbthirteen wrote:On October 08 2011 14:19 koreasilver wrote:On October 08 2011 14:05 Wolf wrote:I still can't fully accept this. Newspaper stand from yesterday: I cannot understand why this is such a big deal. He changed the way people live forever. Realistically how has he changed the world in a way that's better? Not that I dislike him, but all he's really done is made people more self conscious about their technology and sold products with slight improvements well? The mouse you're using, he brought that concept into the market. The windows operating system you're using, he brought that concept to the market. That's just 2 things. In Triumph of the Nerds, a fairly mainstream documentary about the rise of the computer industry, they state that xerox originally invented the concept of a mouse, and that someone stole the idea.
Bringing a concept into the market in a practical way isnt the same as having the initial concept of the item.
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Was sorry to hear about this.. no one can discount the fact that he was one of the most successful CEO's in the history of America.
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On October 08 2011 22:26 haffy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 17:51 jmbthirteen wrote:On October 08 2011 14:19 koreasilver wrote:On October 08 2011 14:05 Wolf wrote:I still can't fully accept this. Newspaper stand from yesterday: I cannot understand why this is such a big deal. He changed the way people live forever. Realistically how has he changed the world in a way that's better? Not that I dislike him, but all he's really done is made people more self conscious about their technology and sold products with slight improvements well?
It's hard to explain fully, but, I think if you dig deeply, you'll find that almost all of the technology you use on a daily basis is in some way influenced by Steve Jobs.
Even if you don't have an iPhone or iPod or Mac computer, the fact that almost all of your devices are intuitive and easy to use is due to at least in part to him. He's not just a guy that said, "hey, there's an mp3 player, let's throw a click wheel on it and sell it for more money." He had direction, a clear vision of what he wanted the future to look like, and was an amazing leader and ceo who was able to make it happen. He cared about not just the functionality of the products, but the usability of it. Without him all your microsoft products would still be ugly, hard to use. You'd probably be running Starcraft with
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, but not before running your dos4gw memory extender. and fixing your config.sys and autoexec.bat to make sure your mouse and os are running in high memory.
I dunno, it sounds simple, but the thing about making things simple, easy to use, and incredibly intuitive is that it's incredibly difficult, and when you've done your job right, it seems like it was always that way, and you can't imagine it any different.
It's hard, but just rewind 5 years, pre iPhone. Yeah, my phone back then could sort of access the internet too, and take pictures, and even had some super shitty scrolly games on it. But just try to imagine back then looking up something on teamliquid, or google maps, or finding directions to a restaurant. First of all, you didn't know it then, but your phone was ugly as sin because it probably slid open sideways and rotated in some random direction, so like 15% of the form factor was actually cheap plastic hinges, and then you've got some cursor controls and an activate button in the middle, and the web was some custom text-only or mostly-text thing, and it was buried 4 clicks down through some unintuitive menu system, and it was slow, and then when you got to where you wanted the menu bar would take up the first 3 screens of text.
Fast forward to now, and even if you're not on an iPhone, the fact that your phone is slick, sexy, fast, and... "maps, restaurants, yelp, google directions, call... 2 minutes later I have directions by walking or car or public transport to a restaurant 20 blocks away and reservations, too" - the reason that seems so natural, so obvious, and so easy, is Steve.
I think the Onion's article might sum it up best: "Last American Who Knew What The Fuck He Was Doing Dies." Dude had serious vision, a plan, and the talent and leadership to reshape the future.
Also, personal computers in general (Apple 1, Apple 2)
Also, Gui (mouse keyboard, windows) in personal computer.
Also, Pixar.
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Holy crap just heard da newz.
Rest in Peace buddy.
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Why are people in this thread saying he invented the mouse, the operating system, GUIs and who knows what else. This is all false. The mouse is Doug Engelbart's and the modern GUI (the WIMP paradigm) comes from Xerox.
Jobs popularised them (and therein lies the greatness) but he was not some discoverer of computing. In fact, almost none of the things currently attributed to "Apple" were invented at Apple. Great design? Yes. Inventors? No...
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I did not mean to imply that Steve Jobs invented the mouse and keyboard. Yah, xerox parc invented the wimp paradigm. But I think the fact that you are using them now (well, ok, the fact that they appeared in the personal market as early as they did) is attributable in part to him.
All the technology existed to listen to music on the go existed before the ipod, yes; the genius is integrating all the various pieces together; an mp3 player with a sexy sleek futuristic shell, integration with itunes, which made both purchasing music and organizing them painless (before you'd be ripping cds and tagging them or hoping your cheesy freeware software would correctly find cddb and tag it for you, throw them in the right folders, make sure your bitrate and file naming template was set right, etc etc ad nauseum). Then he leveraged that into the video ipod and iphone and videos on itunes, appletv, etc..
In retrospect the progression to the point where you're hooked up to the internet all the time and can watch streaming movies on netflix or youtube directly to your phone while you sit in a bus or airport while checking for your flight status and renting a car at your destination may seem obvious, but looking forward from 2000 it wasn't so obvious. I think he was a total badass.
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you guys don't have to make a debate about every single thing that happens on TL. He died and that's all to it, RIP Steve Jobs
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On October 11 2011 15:55 frugalfungal wrote:
you guys don't have to make a debate about every single thing that happens on TL. He died and that's all to it, RIP Steve Jobs
is this your first death memorial thread? TL users were quick to shit on ryan dunn and amy whinehouse without giving a second thought.
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On October 11 2011 15:42 RibsNGibs wrote:
I did not mean to imply that Steve Jobs invented the mouse and keyboard. Yah, xerox parc invented the wimp paradigm. But I think the fact that you are using them now (well, ok, the fact that they appeared in the personal market as early as they did) is attributable in part to him.
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I think he was a total badass.
I agree with you. The greatness was in enforcing a good design and having a good vision for how to combine features that already existed (oh, and marketing). But I just didn't want people to think that Apple somehow invented the tech or interaction. Love him or hate him, RIP to a visionary.
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