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DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
November 17 2011 18:02 GMT
#3301
Is anyone watching this livestream from OWS?

http://occupywallst.org/article/watch-wall-street-shut-down-live/

Scroll down to find a few streams.
radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 18:18:28
November 17 2011 18:09 GMT
#3302
In New York, where dozens are typically arrested in periodic marches since the movement began, police hauled sit-in protesters to their feet, handcuffing them and setting up metal barricades.

"You do not have a parade permit! You are blocking the street!" a police officer told protesters through a bullhorn.

The congestion brought taxis and delivery trucks to a halt. Police were allowing Wall Street workers through the barricades, but only after checking their IDs.

The protest did not delay the opening of the New York Stock Exchange or disrupt business, said Rich Adamonis, a spokesman for the exchange.

The protest marked two months since the Occupy Wall Street Movement sprang to life on Sept. 17 with a failed attempt to pitch a protest camp in front of the New York Stock Exchange. After police kept them out of Wall Street, the protesters pitched a camp in nearby Zuccotti Park, across from the World Trade Center site.

On Tuesday police raided Zuccotti Park and cleared out dozens of tents, tarps and sleeping bags.

"This is a critical moment for the movement given what happened the other night," Paul Knick, 44, a software engineer from Montclair, N.J., said as he marched through the financial district with other protesters on Thursday. "It seems like there's a concerted effort to stop the movement and I'm here to make sure that doesn't happen."

The confrontations in New York followed early-morning arrests in other cities.
Source

It seems like the confrontations will be getting more severe if none of the sides will back down some.

Edit: Another more broad collection of happenings Source
Repeat before me
b3h47pte
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1317 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 18:32:23
November 17 2011 18:32 GMT
#3303
[image loading]
Source: http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/17/us/new-york-occupy/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

So they're not allowing people to go to work now? :\
I'm generally fine with OWS's general goals, but I just can't agree with the way they're going about executing this protest.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 18:51:08
November 17 2011 18:42 GMT
#3304
There is some kind of raid in the parc right now. The police closed up the park, nobody can go out, nobody can go in. Well just watch the stream budz!
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
mechavoc
Profile Joined December 2010
United States664 Posts
November 17 2011 19:23 GMT
#3305
On November 18 2011 01:33 semantics wrote:
Show nested quote +
And I'm not sure how breaking rules is part of free speech.

Actually there have been quite a few oddity ruling where things are allowed just in the format of protesting thus as being topless or nude (per state ruling) which is why you can get a permit on it.
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 00:48 mechavoc wrote:
On November 18 2011 00:31 Krikkitone wrote:
On November 18 2011 00:22 Logo wrote:
First, this past Sunday, a BPD officer told the driver of a visiting Wikileaks donation truck — on camera — that police searched the truck "because we were afraid that you might have contraband that we don't want in the camp — winter tents and insulation materials." Asked where that order came from, the officer stated, "My bosses."


http://thephoenix.com/Boston/news/130021-are-cities-trying-to-freeze-the-occupy-movement-to/?page=1#TOPCONTENT

Interesting perspective for how Boston is fairing since the raid (well and before).



Quite reasonable... the general rules seem to be
protest=fine
camping in non-camping area=not fine

I work across the street from where the OWS folks are caming out and it is kind of sad how the beautiful piece of the park is now a mud pit, Thankfully they are only on a small piece of the Greenway.The confusing part and the ONLY big issue I have had with the OWS camp is why they are allowed to break the rules?

And I'm not sure how breaking rules is part of free speech.
I'm 100% sure if the tea-party or NRA or an extreame example the KKK wanted to campout to voice their opinion they would have been run out in a day or two.

Straight from the park's website.
Source



PUBLIC USE AND ENJOYMENT

II. DEFINITION OF GREENWAY PARK PROPERTY; OPEN HOURS AND PARK
REGULATIONS; EMERGENCY CONTACT
The Greenway park property is defined by statute (Chapter 306 of the Acts of 2008).
The statute can be found on the Conservancy website
www.rosekennedygreenway.org).
Park Operating Hours: To maintain a safe secure environment at all times within the
park, general operating hours for the park grounds will be from 7:00 AM to 11:00
PM. Public access and movement through the parks will be permitted on a 24 hour
/7 day a week basis. No overnight sleeping is allowed

Great argument all those black protesters during that whole civil rights thing have no valid points just a bunch of law breakers, sitting in white only cafes, vagrants and eye sores.



I'm detecting some sarcasm here.....
Though you do bring up something interesting to think about, perhaps together we can think of how these the sets of protests are different.

CRM OWS
Moral High Ground YES Maybe
Goals YES ?
Leaders YES ?
Solutions YES ?
Iphone/Starbucks No Yes

Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
November 17 2011 19:31 GMT
#3306
Well in Boston the protesters now have a restraining order against Police (who say they weren't going to raid anyways): http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/251547/20111117/occupy-boston-protesters-win-restraining-order-city.htm

Apparently in Dec the legality of the encampment is going to be brought up.
Logo
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 19:57:40
November 17 2011 19:55 GMT
#3307
On November 18 2011 04:23 mechavoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 01:33 semantics wrote:
And I'm not sure how breaking rules is part of free speech.

Actually there have been quite a few oddity ruling where things are allowed just in the format of protesting thus as being topless or nude (per state ruling) which is why you can get a permit on it.
On November 18 2011 00:48 mechavoc wrote:
On November 18 2011 00:31 Krikkitone wrote:
On November 18 2011 00:22 Logo wrote:
First, this past Sunday, a BPD officer told the driver of a visiting Wikileaks donation truck — on camera — that police searched the truck "because we were afraid that you might have contraband that we don't want in the camp — winter tents and insulation materials." Asked where that order came from, the officer stated, "My bosses."


http://thephoenix.com/Boston/news/130021-are-cities-trying-to-freeze-the-occupy-movement-to/?page=1#TOPCONTENT

Interesting perspective for how Boston is fairing since the raid (well and before).



Quite reasonable... the general rules seem to be
protest=fine
camping in non-camping area=not fine

I work across the street from where the OWS folks are caming out and it is kind of sad how the beautiful piece of the park is now a mud pit, Thankfully they are only on a small piece of the Greenway.The confusing part and the ONLY big issue I have had with the OWS camp is why they are allowed to break the rules?

And I'm not sure how breaking rules is part of free speech.
I'm 100% sure if the tea-party or NRA or an extreame example the KKK wanted to campout to voice their opinion they would have been run out in a day or two.

Straight from the park's website.
Source



PUBLIC USE AND ENJOYMENT

II. DEFINITION OF GREENWAY PARK PROPERTY; OPEN HOURS AND PARK
REGULATIONS; EMERGENCY CONTACT
The Greenway park property is defined by statute (Chapter 306 of the Acts of 2008).
The statute can be found on the Conservancy website
www.rosekennedygreenway.org).
Park Operating Hours: To maintain a safe secure environment at all times within the
park, general operating hours for the park grounds will be from 7:00 AM to 11:00
PM. Public access and movement through the parks will be permitted on a 24 hour
/7 day a week basis. No overnight sleeping is allowed

Great argument all those black protesters during that whole civil rights thing have no valid points just a bunch of law breakers, sitting in white only cafes, vagrants and eye sores.



I'm detecting some sarcasm here.....
Though you do bring up something interesting to think about, perhaps together we can think of how these the sets of protests are different.

CRM OWS
Moral High Ground YES Maybe
Goals YES ?
Leaders YES ?
Solutions YES ?
Iphone/Starbucks No Yes


The point is you're nit picking making the protest more important then the message and if you can't find the message it means you're not listening there are tons of messages the one underlying one is ill gotten gains. People who help run the econ into the ground have influence on the government and they were not tried under RICO even though there were clear criminal activities occurring further more we made the risk public without anything asking in return, so why don't you go read though the thread and compile the goals and solutions.

You're nit picking at things to belittle things, you're not actually arguing on the message you're looking at the people and saying nope they don't hold any valid points. As you can do that with anything find one or two things that are questionable.
ckw
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1018 Posts
November 17 2011 20:01 GMT
#3308
On November 18 2011 03:32 b3h47pte wrote:
[image loading]
Source: http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/17/us/new-york-occupy/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

So they're not allowing people to go to work now? :\
I'm generally fine with OWS's general goals, but I just can't agree with the way they're going about executing this protest.


Yea, they are finally blocking WALL STREET workers from going to work, I don't see how this surprises you...
Being weak is a choice.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
November 17 2011 20:04 GMT
#3309
On November 18 2011 05:01 ckw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 03:32 b3h47pte wrote:
[image loading]
Source: http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/17/us/new-york-occupy/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

So they're not allowing people to go to work now? :\
I'm generally fine with OWS's general goals, but I just can't agree with the way they're going about executing this protest.


Yea, they are finally blocking WALL STREET workers from going to work, I don't see how this surprises you...

Well it was tried before originally they wanted to set up much closer to the trading floor but couldn't
j0k3r
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States577 Posts
November 17 2011 20:16 GMT
#3310
On November 18 2011 03:42 WhiteDog wrote:
There is some kind of raid in the parc right now. The police closed up the park, nobody can go out, nobody can go in. Well just watch the stream budz!


It was insane, one of the protesters was kicking the barricades. 5 cops jumped over, he ran and they tackled him, hitting his head on the pavement. They beat him, dragged off his pants and shoes, and then hauled him away. Since the crowd was so thick the cops on the other side thought there was mass violence; about 30 of them jumped over the barricade, some slipping and falling on the wet ground to much hilarity, rushing towards the crowd. A lot of people I talked to were hit in the face or jabbed with batons randomly as they were trying to exit the crowd. The police then barricaded everyone inside the park and let no one enter or exit.
Pleiades
Profile Joined June 2010
United States472 Posts
November 17 2011 20:20 GMT
#3311
I got a call yesterday from one of my employees saying that Occupy San Francisco members were trying to block and camp a Bank of America branch he was trying to go to. Apparently, they had people on the teller counters and setting tents in the lobby....

You know, if you don't like the Bank, don't bank with them. Bank of America dropped it's debit card fee after many people left them, so that made them listen. Just don't try and block people from using them if they want to.
I love you sarge.... AHHHH
unsmart
Profile Joined April 2009
United States322 Posts
November 17 2011 20:24 GMT
#3312
On November 18 2011 05:20 Pleiades wrote:
I got a call yesterday from one of my employees saying that Occupy San Francisco members were trying to block and camp a Bank of America branch he was trying to go to. Apparently, they had people on the teller counters and setting tents in the lobby....

You know, if you don't like the Bank, don't bank with them. Bank of America dropped it's debit card fee after many people left them, so that made them listen. Just don't try and block people from using them if they want to.

Then they brought up other fees. The BofA protest was more about student loans and tuition hikes this time.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10513 Posts
November 17 2011 20:27 GMT
#3313
On November 18 2011 05:16 j0k3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 03:42 WhiteDog wrote:
There is some kind of raid in the parc right now. The police closed up the park, nobody can go out, nobody can go in. Well just watch the stream budz!


It was insane, one of the protesters was kicking the barricades. 5 cops jumped over, he ran and they tackled him, hitting his head on the pavement. They beat him, dragged off his pants and shoes, and then hauled him away. Since the crowd was so thick the cops on the other side thought there was mass violence; about 30 of them jumped over the barricade, some slipping and falling on the wet ground to much hilarity, rushing towards the crowd. A lot of people I talked to were hit in the face or jabbed with batons randomly as they were trying to exit the crowd. The police then barricaded everyone inside the park and let no one enter or exit.


Are you there now? That would be pretty awesome if we had our own inside guy here at TL
Pleiades
Profile Joined June 2010
United States472 Posts
November 17 2011 20:29 GMT
#3314
On November 18 2011 05:24 unsmart wrote:
Then they brought up other fees. The BofA protest was more about student loans and tuition hikes this time.


I used the debit card fee as an example, not the reason why they were there. This is no longer a protest if they block service from people who want to use it.
I love you sarge.... AHHHH
enzymezero
Profile Joined March 2010
United States65 Posts
November 17 2011 20:34 GMT
#3315
Not sure why people getting all up in arms about the movement blocking people from going to work. They dislike wallstreet and are trying to take action against it now. Saw some stupid posts like "well, I was fine with the movement but not letting people going to work? that's dumb" - they are trying to take action....

....are you really surprised?
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 20:34:52
November 17 2011 20:34 GMT
#3316
On November 18 2011 05:29 Pleiades wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 05:24 unsmart wrote:
Then they brought up other fees. The BofA protest was more about student loans and tuition hikes this time.


I used the debit card fee as an example, not the reason why they were there. This is no longer a protest if they block service from people who want to use it.


Actually it is. There are many different kinds of protesting - the one where you can easily get ignored is probably the worst kind.

These people aren't going to just sit there forever if there is no progress being made. They will either change their methods now or disperse and reform in a year or two when the situation is even worse. Either way, the way it's going, this can only escalate and is not something that will just vanish into thin air.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
November 17 2011 20:37 GMT
#3317
This is a video that a local guy made for us, he is making a series of them.


Everyday gets a little bit better!




[image loading]
j0k3r
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States577 Posts
November 17 2011 20:41 GMT
#3318
On November 18 2011 05:27 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 05:16 j0k3r wrote:
On November 18 2011 03:42 WhiteDog wrote:
There is some kind of raid in the parc right now. The police closed up the park, nobody can go out, nobody can go in. Well just watch the stream budz!


It was insane, one of the protesters was kicking the barricades. 5 cops jumped over, he ran and they tackled him, hitting his head on the pavement. They beat him, dragged off his pants and shoes, and then hauled him away. Since the crowd was so thick the cops on the other side thought there was mass violence; about 30 of them jumped over the barricade, some slipping and falling on the wet ground to much hilarity, rushing towards the crowd. A lot of people I talked to were hit in the face or jabbed with batons randomly as they were trying to exit the crowd. The police then barricaded everyone inside the park and let no one enter or exit.


Are you there now? That would be pretty awesome if we had our own inside guy here at TL


I left about one hour ago to get some stuff at home. They are marching up to Union Square now from Broadway and I'm going to rejoin them in a bit.

Here are some pictures from this afternoon (sorry blame iPhone for quality):

[image loading]

This is where one of the protesters was beat down. His shoe is there, and a bit higher out of the picture were his pants as well. Someone thoughtfully planted a flag. You can make out the blood below the flag.

[image loading]

CNBC interviews a witness of the altercation.

[image loading]

Lot of police in half riot gear.

[image loading]

[image loading]

A veteran joins the throngs of youth.

Pleiades
Profile Joined June 2010
United States472 Posts
November 17 2011 20:45 GMT
#3319
Well the overall tactics is making the middle class pay more, and I don't mean finanicially only. I just think that they're protesting at the wrong area or at the wrong people. Go after the top 1%, not the people working for them. They got families and bills to pay for too.
I love you sarge.... AHHHH
Pertinacious
Profile Joined May 2010
United States82 Posts
November 17 2011 20:46 GMT
#3320
On November 18 2011 05:34 enzymezero wrote:
Not sure why people getting all up in arms about the movement blocking people from going to work. They dislike wallstreet and are trying to take action against it now. Saw some stupid posts like "well, I was fine with the movement but not letting people going to work? that's dumb" - they are trying to take action....

....are you really surprised?


I'm not surprised, but this sort of behavior is just going to erode support. Preventing people from driving down a street, or patronizing their bank, or from leaving a convention center, or from getting into their place of work are all things that simply continue to paint the OWS movement in a bad light.
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