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Biff The Understudy
France8145 Posts
Slavoj Zizek with the human mic at OWS. That seriously made my day. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
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H0i
Netherlands484 Posts
On October 30 2011 07:12 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Starts again, Denver police are firing rubber bullets into crowds. Hmm... for no good reason I assume? When the big collapse of the entire financial system hits (not if, but when, and I give it 1 month MAX.) the protests will get a huge momentum. And when people start educating themselves about how the financial and political systems in this world really work, which they will when the systems collapse... even more support for occupy! | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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VPCursed
1044 Posts
On October 30 2011 07:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Sorry but how does the Nashville Police think imposing a curfew on citizens will stop protests? it doesnt, it just gives them an excuse to arrest people for exercising there free speech, also the curfew was struck down by a judge recently. It's not going to happen : ) | ||
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Doppelganger
488 Posts
On October 29 2011 11:58 shinosai wrote: Well, for starters, I don't think federal government can be efficient, because it's trying to efficiently spend money over an entire nation of people that all have different needs. Very strange that the US seems to be the only place on the planet where this holds true. In Europe states like France only have the central government and not even states and it seems to work out for them. I believe this is an untrue and dogmatic statement spread by those who profit from privatizing the job the government does aka corporate America. Because the state does not look for profit privatizing is an enormous opportunity for corporations to take over the functions of the state and charge you way more. In my humble opinion things like the water supply, police force etc. are just fine in the hand of the state. Because those are goods and services every citizen needs so funding them via taxes is fine because all pay and all need them. (And there is no variety with water/electricity/health care [all deserve and want the best health care in case you need it] while there is plenty when it comes to food, or cars, or computers and in this case corporations can cater to the different needs of the people) | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
Very strange that the US seems to be the only place on the planet where this holds true. In Europe states like France only have the central government and not even states and it seems to work out for them. I believe this is an untrue and dogmatic statement spread by those who profit from privatizing the job the government does aka corporate America. Because the state does not look for profit privatizing is an enormous opportunity for corporations to take over the functions of the state and charge you way more. In my humble opinion things like the water supply, police force etc. are just fine in the hand of the state. Because those are goods and services every citizen needs so funding them via taxes is fine because all pay and all need them. (And there is no variety with water/electricity/health care [all deserve and want the best health care in case you need it] while there is plenty when it comes to food, or cars, or computers and in this case corporations can cater to the different needs of the people) there is privatization in europe... anyway it is funny that europe is in crisis because of the failures of government finances but it all works fine i guess... well as long as you think that brussels and paris will be very happy... berlin maybe not so much Hmm... for no good reason I assume? in ows land you can throw paint and rocks at police and its ok u dont understand the complexity of local rock throwing solutions and you can trespass and block traffic and ruin nearby businesses' bathrooms and masturbate in public and harass passerby and create fire and sanitation hazards and hold concerts without a permit or safety plan (and do anything any other group would be required by government to get permits and spend money on fees on) because u can just say 'free speech' and automatically you win. you can do whatever you want if you just keep insisting its free speech and any attempts to get you to stop jerking it in public or stop trespassing are really attempts to take away your right to free speech haven't u learned anything from ows theyve already got special treatment by every city theyve "occupied" but that is unfair anything less than total immunity and110% sanction to do whatever ows wants to do is denying them their right to free speech come on isnt it obvious that anything less is fascism? also, long live the peoples forum! those general assembly nazis need to keep their hands off the ganja, thats serious business. http://www.theawl.com/2011/10/the-night-occupy-los-angeles-tore-itself-in-two User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
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relyt
United States1073 Posts
On October 30 2011 12:02 ghrur wrote: You know something? I don't really care for the message, the movement, or the debate around Occupy Wall-Street. I just care about the people. It inspires me to see thousands of people toughing it out in the winter, relying on each other for not just warmth but strength. It amazes me to see people protesting for their ideas en masse and to stand by those beliefs with such force and vigor. It awes me to see people stand their ground despite the powers of the people going against them, despite the beatings they have taken. I hope this movement makes it through the New England winter. It will be remarkable. When this thing started I predicted they would move out once it starts getting cold. So far they staying which i give them credit for, but I think once it actually gets cold then they will leave. | ||
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No_Roo
United States905 Posts
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shinosai
United States1577 Posts
On October 30 2011 13:18 No_Roo wrote: I still can't believe how successful this has already been... I thought I was optimistic at first when I guessed they would last a few weeks but I think they've exceeded most people's expectations. Well, successful... that remains to be seen. We haven't seen any change come about from these movements yet. They've certainly been successful at maintaining the movement, but the question remains on whether it can generate anything of substance. Hoping to see something interesting in the primaries.... I predict they will be out there until January. From what I understand many of their permits last that long, anyways. | ||
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No_Roo
United States905 Posts
On October 30 2011 13:29 shinosai wrote: Well, successful... that remains to be seen. We haven't seen any change come about from these movements yet. They've certainly been successful at maintaining the movement, but the question remains on whether it can generate anything of substance. Hoping to see something interesting in the primaries.... I predict they will be out there until January. From what I understand many of their permits last that long, anyways. Only the measure of success remains, even if the protests all disband tomorrow the amount of inequality awareness the movement has produced will just make the next movement more successful. With all the media chaff distracting everyone from the real issues over the last several years, that people are now becoming educated en masse on how they've been getting robbed, is really invaluable in it's self. Dozens of supporting protests all over the country, international support across the world, hugely popular support right here in america, and all that despite mainstream media applying it's most desperate methods of detraction against it, really astounding accomplishments. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On October 30 2011 13:29 shinosai wrote: Well, successful... that remains to be seen. We haven't seen any change come about from these movements yet. They've certainly been successful at maintaining the movement, but the question remains on whether it can generate anything of substance. Hoping to see something interesting in the primaries.... I predict they will be out there until January. From what I understand many of their permits last that long, anyways. Really you wouldn't take comments by the orange man of congress actually suggesting paying for something with a tax on ppl making 1 mill a year in income progress. | ||
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McBroski
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Ryder.
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Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with people engaging in peaceful protest, but these guys are just ridiculous. I tried to look into it to find what the fuck they were on about and I still have no idea; they have no real agenda, no reasonable demands, and don't seem keen to take any action over this besides just general complaining. They protest against greed, global capitalism, corrupt politicians and a bunch of other stuff but they don't offer even offer any solutions/causes of action. Plenty of people on the facebook group suggest they form a political party so they can actually take REAL action (and hell, if they represent the 99% like they claim they do then they should have no problem garnering support) but there is always some reason why they can't do that. Furthermore, they have caused such a mess around here as well. They had to call in the riot police to drag these guys away cause they wouldn't leave when politely asked which I heard cost around $150,000 (I don't agree with the use of force they used but I guess if they didn't leave peacefull when asked they didn't have much choice). They left a terrible mess when they moved on that had to be cleaned up, I heard stories from my mates about how they were 'borrowing' chairs from businesses nearby, bathing in the public fountains and leaving rubbish everywhere I had to lol at this in particular http://catallaxyfiles.com/2011/10/20/protestor-greed/ . I don't know how people can be so self-righteous when they are being such a nuisance anyway. Edit: I'm sure they are also twittering their buddies off their iPhones and wearing their newest designer clothes whilst protesting against corporate greed as well :/ if they wan't to take action against greedy corporations why don't they vote with their feet and not buy their shit! I guess they want to enjoy the benefits of a capitalist society but aren't prepared to deal with its flaws. | ||
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semantics
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vetinari
Australia602 Posts
On October 30 2011 14:55 Ryder. wrote: Edit: I'm sure they are also twittering their buddies off their iPhones and wearing their newest designer clothes whilst protesting against corporate greed as well :/ if they wan't to take action against greedy corporations why don't they vote with their feet and not buy their shit! I guess they want to enjoy the benefits of a capitalist society but aren't prepared to deal with its flaws. They want to enjoy the benefits of a capitalist society, but they want to deal with the flaws, not politely acquiesce to being fucked in the ass by those flaws. Of course, wanting to do something and actually achieving that something are two completely seperate things, otherwise we'd all be having threesomes with lingerie models. | ||
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ChicoLopez
United States11 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Every few minutes we could see the flashing lights of police cars on streets to the left and right, and of course there was a police helicopter following the protesters along the route. It's pretty amazing how big the movement is now. Hopefully the federal government takes notice soon (particularly the President and Congress) and some of the grievances are resolved. I particularly don't like, for example, how corporations are treated as if they have the same rights as people; that never really made sense to me. Better job opportunities and wealth distribution would also be nice, particularly as the middle class is essentially getting destroyed while the rich continually get richer. EDIT: On October 30 2011 15:41 ChicoLopez wrote: Flea Party, pure and simple. Think of the Tea Party, then opposite of what they believe, and there you go. Rapes, drug use, and anti-Semitism, and that is what you have, the debris of humanity. I don't understand how anyone can take someone like you seriously. | ||
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