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On December 06 2011 19:27 TheRealArtemis wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 17:23 Reborn8u wrote:A lot of people here are pretty pessimistic. Try to realize what the world was like over a century ago. Automobiles, flight, communications (internet, television, cellphones), space travel, were all unimaginable dreams just a generation before they happened. I think it is foolish to rule out that mankind could have a major breakthrough in the next half century that will change life as we know it and our role in the universe. Ask your grandparents how many times over their world was revolutionized by technology. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but don't rule it out. Who knows, maybe 20 years from now someone will discover a propulsion method to get much closer to light speed than we think is possible today. According to the theory of relativity, time slows as you approach light speed. So a trip that is 35 light years would pass as much less time if you were to move fast enough. Although, much more time would pass for us here on earth during the voyage. I don't know what the future holds, but I like to hope, just maybe, someday in my life, even if I'm 100 years old, that someone will visit another world like earth or at least get a probe there and send back the pictures. Maybe by flying there, maybe mankind will master gravity and be able to bend space, distort time, who knows..... I doubt that people will be willing to bear the financial burden of the vast resources it would take to get a human to another star system with no idea what is there. But maybe in our lives a probe will reach the nearest star, Look at this there are a lot of stars withing 16 light years. Some just 4 light years away. Is it crazy to think that 10 or 20 years from now that it's possible for anyone to develop a propulsion system that could get there in 50 years? Maybe in our lives we will get to see up close pictures of some of the planets orbiting these stars. Maybe I'm just a dreamer, but if you went back 100 years and tried to convince anyone that a man would set foot on the moon, you'd be committed to an asylum. Perhaps we are only 1 epiphany away from the impossible becoming possible. A little more optimism please  I think you confuse realism with pessimism. The fact that nothing can live long enough for just 1 lightyear, (76,526 years) with a NASA spaceshuttle traveling 17,500 miles per hour. One can only hope that it will happen in out lifetime, but thats just lying to yourself. Even with an unmanned spacecraft traveling faster, it will still take thousands of years. Its not pessimism, just being real.
What we can accomplish today is almost irrelevant. His point was simply that all the things we take for granted today seemed just as impossible to ppl 100y ago as FTL is to us. there's a good chance that in the next 200y we'll cruise the solar system like it is our own backyard.
Besides, using a shuttle as reference is lol-worthy, the thing barely has engines. I mean, it's main engines are on separate vehicule and aren't even there by the time it gets to space. Technology to go MUCH faster existed 50y ago (Orion).
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Still not far enough away from my ex...
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On December 06 2011 23:05 Nizaris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 19:27 TheRealArtemis wrote:On December 06 2011 17:23 Reborn8u wrote:A lot of people here are pretty pessimistic. Try to realize what the world was like over a century ago. Automobiles, flight, communications (internet, television, cellphones), space travel, were all unimaginable dreams just a generation before they happened. I think it is foolish to rule out that mankind could have a major breakthrough in the next half century that will change life as we know it and our role in the universe. Ask your grandparents how many times over their world was revolutionized by technology. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but don't rule it out. Who knows, maybe 20 years from now someone will discover a propulsion method to get much closer to light speed than we think is possible today. According to the theory of relativity, time slows as you approach light speed. So a trip that is 35 light years would pass as much less time if you were to move fast enough. Although, much more time would pass for us here on earth during the voyage. I don't know what the future holds, but I like to hope, just maybe, someday in my life, even if I'm 100 years old, that someone will visit another world like earth or at least get a probe there and send back the pictures. Maybe by flying there, maybe mankind will master gravity and be able to bend space, distort time, who knows..... I doubt that people will be willing to bear the financial burden of the vast resources it would take to get a human to another star system with no idea what is there. But maybe in our lives a probe will reach the nearest star, Look at this there are a lot of stars withing 16 light years. Some just 4 light years away. Is it crazy to think that 10 or 20 years from now that it's possible for anyone to develop a propulsion system that could get there in 50 years? Maybe in our lives we will get to see up close pictures of some of the planets orbiting these stars. Maybe I'm just a dreamer, but if you went back 100 years and tried to convince anyone that a man would set foot on the moon, you'd be committed to an asylum. Perhaps we are only 1 epiphany away from the impossible becoming possible. A little more optimism please I think you confuse realism with pessimism. The fact that nothing can live long enough for just 1 lightyear, (76,526 years) with a NASA spaceshuttle traveling 17,500 miles per hour. One can only hope that it will happen in out lifetime, but thats just lying to yourself. Even with an unmanned spacecraft traveling faster, it will still take thousands of years. Its not pessimism, just being real. What we can accomplish today is almost irrelevant. His point was simply that all the things we take for granted today seemed just as impossible to ppl 100y ago as FTL is to us. there's a good chance that in the next 200y we'll cruise the solar system like it is our own backyard. Besides, using a shuttle as reference is lol-worthy, the thing barely has engines. I mean, it's main engines are on separate vehicule and aren't even there by the time it gets to space. Technology to go MUCH faster existed 50y ago (Orion).
Yeah, especially considering that the Voyager probes we launched in the 70's are currently leaving our Solar System at speeds of nearly 40,000 mph.
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On December 06 2011 23:05 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 23:02 ryanAnger wrote:
Your use of the term "debunked" implies that it has been proven false. This is not true. Its neither true or false. Thus, not debunked. The term "debunked" imply that : "To expose or ridicule the falseness, sham, or exaggerated claims"
No one exaggerated claims about anything. They merely reported the results of the many tests they did. No one involved in the OPERA findings has come out and said "We have proven neutrinos can move faster than light." They said "According to our results, these particular neutrinos can move faster than light, but the results may be wrong, and we are currently investigating further."
Again, no exaggerated claims, therefore, your use of the word "debunked" is wrong.
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On December 06 2011 23:05 Nizaris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 19:27 TheRealArtemis wrote:On December 06 2011 17:23 Reborn8u wrote:A lot of people here are pretty pessimistic. Try to realize what the world was like over a century ago. Automobiles, flight, communications (internet, television, cellphones), space travel, were all unimaginable dreams just a generation before they happened. I think it is foolish to rule out that mankind could have a major breakthrough in the next half century that will change life as we know it and our role in the universe. Ask your grandparents how many times over their world was revolutionized by technology. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but don't rule it out. Who knows, maybe 20 years from now someone will discover a propulsion method to get much closer to light speed than we think is possible today. According to the theory of relativity, time slows as you approach light speed. So a trip that is 35 light years would pass as much less time if you were to move fast enough. Although, much more time would pass for us here on earth during the voyage. I don't know what the future holds, but I like to hope, just maybe, someday in my life, even if I'm 100 years old, that someone will visit another world like earth or at least get a probe there and send back the pictures. Maybe by flying there, maybe mankind will master gravity and be able to bend space, distort time, who knows..... I doubt that people will be willing to bear the financial burden of the vast resources it would take to get a human to another star system with no idea what is there. But maybe in our lives a probe will reach the nearest star, Look at this there are a lot of stars withing 16 light years. Some just 4 light years away. Is it crazy to think that 10 or 20 years from now that it's possible for anyone to develop a propulsion system that could get there in 50 years? Maybe in our lives we will get to see up close pictures of some of the planets orbiting these stars. Maybe I'm just a dreamer, but if you went back 100 years and tried to convince anyone that a man would set foot on the moon, you'd be committed to an asylum. Perhaps we are only 1 epiphany away from the impossible becoming possible. A little more optimism please I think you confuse realism with pessimism. The fact that nothing can live long enough for just 1 lightyear, (76,526 years) with a NASA spaceshuttle traveling 17,500 miles per hour. One can only hope that it will happen in out lifetime, but thats just lying to yourself. Even with an unmanned spacecraft traveling faster, it will still take thousands of years. Its not pessimism, just being real. What we can accomplish today is almost irrelevant. His point was simply that all the things we take for granted today seemed just as impossible to ppl 100y ago as FTL is to us. there's a good chance that in the next 200y we'll cruise the solar system like it is our own backyard. Besides, using a shuttle as reference is lol-worthy, the thing barely has engines. I mean, it's main engines are on separate vehicule and aren't even there by the time it gets to space. Technology to go MUCH faster existed 50y ago (Orion).
Sorry for me being a noob here but how is 1 lightyear 76000 years? A lightyear is a measure of distance not time?
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On December 07 2011 05:47 solidbebe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 23:05 Nizaris wrote:On December 06 2011 19:27 TheRealArtemis wrote:On December 06 2011 17:23 Reborn8u wrote:A lot of people here are pretty pessimistic. Try to realize what the world was like over a century ago. Automobiles, flight, communications (internet, television, cellphones), space travel, were all unimaginable dreams just a generation before they happened. I think it is foolish to rule out that mankind could have a major breakthrough in the next half century that will change life as we know it and our role in the universe. Ask your grandparents how many times over their world was revolutionized by technology. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but don't rule it out. Who knows, maybe 20 years from now someone will discover a propulsion method to get much closer to light speed than we think is possible today. According to the theory of relativity, time slows as you approach light speed. So a trip that is 35 light years would pass as much less time if you were to move fast enough. Although, much more time would pass for us here on earth during the voyage. I don't know what the future holds, but I like to hope, just maybe, someday in my life, even if I'm 100 years old, that someone will visit another world like earth or at least get a probe there and send back the pictures. Maybe by flying there, maybe mankind will master gravity and be able to bend space, distort time, who knows..... I doubt that people will be willing to bear the financial burden of the vast resources it would take to get a human to another star system with no idea what is there. But maybe in our lives a probe will reach the nearest star, Look at this there are a lot of stars withing 16 light years. Some just 4 light years away. Is it crazy to think that 10 or 20 years from now that it's possible for anyone to develop a propulsion system that could get there in 50 years? Maybe in our lives we will get to see up close pictures of some of the planets orbiting these stars. Maybe I'm just a dreamer, but if you went back 100 years and tried to convince anyone that a man would set foot on the moon, you'd be committed to an asylum. Perhaps we are only 1 epiphany away from the impossible becoming possible. A little more optimism please I think you confuse realism with pessimism. The fact that nothing can live long enough for just 1 lightyear, (76,526 years) with a NASA spaceshuttle traveling 17,500 miles per hour. One can only hope that it will happen in out lifetime, but thats just lying to yourself. Even with an unmanned spacecraft traveling faster, it will still take thousands of years. Its not pessimism, just being real. What we can accomplish today is almost irrelevant. His point was simply that all the things we take for granted today seemed just as impossible to ppl 100y ago as FTL is to us. there's a good chance that in the next 200y we'll cruise the solar system like it is our own backyard. Besides, using a shuttle as reference is lol-worthy, the thing barely has engines. I mean, it's main engines are on separate vehicule and aren't even there by the time it gets to space. Technology to go MUCH faster existed 50y ago (Orion). Sorry for me being a noob here but how is 1 lightyear 76000 years? A lightyear is a measure of distance not time?
its how much distance light travels in a year, which is called c also
he measured that distance, and then calculated how much it would take for nasa's shitty shuttle to do the same voyage
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On December 07 2011 05:52 D10 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 05:47 solidbebe wrote:On December 06 2011 23:05 Nizaris wrote:On December 06 2011 19:27 TheRealArtemis wrote:On December 06 2011 17:23 Reborn8u wrote:A lot of people here are pretty pessimistic. Try to realize what the world was like over a century ago. Automobiles, flight, communications (internet, television, cellphones), space travel, were all unimaginable dreams just a generation before they happened. I think it is foolish to rule out that mankind could have a major breakthrough in the next half century that will change life as we know it and our role in the universe. Ask your grandparents how many times over their world was revolutionized by technology. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but don't rule it out. Who knows, maybe 20 years from now someone will discover a propulsion method to get much closer to light speed than we think is possible today. According to the theory of relativity, time slows as you approach light speed. So a trip that is 35 light years would pass as much less time if you were to move fast enough. Although, much more time would pass for us here on earth during the voyage. I don't know what the future holds, but I like to hope, just maybe, someday in my life, even if I'm 100 years old, that someone will visit another world like earth or at least get a probe there and send back the pictures. Maybe by flying there, maybe mankind will master gravity and be able to bend space, distort time, who knows..... I doubt that people will be willing to bear the financial burden of the vast resources it would take to get a human to another star system with no idea what is there. But maybe in our lives a probe will reach the nearest star, Look at this there are a lot of stars withing 16 light years. Some just 4 light years away. Is it crazy to think that 10 or 20 years from now that it's possible for anyone to develop a propulsion system that could get there in 50 years? Maybe in our lives we will get to see up close pictures of some of the planets orbiting these stars. Maybe I'm just a dreamer, but if you went back 100 years and tried to convince anyone that a man would set foot on the moon, you'd be committed to an asylum. Perhaps we are only 1 epiphany away from the impossible becoming possible. A little more optimism please I think you confuse realism with pessimism. The fact that nothing can live long enough for just 1 lightyear, (76,526 years) with a NASA spaceshuttle traveling 17,500 miles per hour. One can only hope that it will happen in out lifetime, but thats just lying to yourself. Even with an unmanned spacecraft traveling faster, it will still take thousands of years. Its not pessimism, just being real. What we can accomplish today is almost irrelevant. His point was simply that all the things we take for granted today seemed just as impossible to ppl 100y ago as FTL is to us. there's a good chance that in the next 200y we'll cruise the solar system like it is our own backyard. Besides, using a shuttle as reference is lol-worthy, the thing barely has engines. I mean, it's main engines are on separate vehicule and aren't even there by the time it gets to space. Technology to go MUCH faster existed 50y ago (Orion). Sorry for me being a noob here but how is 1 lightyear 76000 years? A lightyear is a measure of distance not time? its how much distance light travels in a year, which is called c also he measured that distance, and then calculated how much it would take for nasa's shitty shuttle to do the same voyage
Ah I read over that, thank you thank you.
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c is in meter/s therefore 1 lightseconde and not 1 lighyear. (important for every calculs including c like the infamous E=mc²)
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Well not life sustaining, unless something we don't know, earth size planets have been discovered.
![[image loading]](http://images.spaceref.com/news/2011/ooPlanetLineup_4x3_ful.jpg)
NASA's Kepler mission has discovered the first Earth-size planets orbiting a sun-like star outside our solar system. The planets, called Kepler-20e and Kepler-20f, are too close to their star to be in the so-called habitable zone where liquid water could exist on a planet's surface, but they are the smallest exoplanets ever confirmed around a star like our sun.
The discovery marks the next important milestone in the ultimate search for planets like Earth. The new planets are thought to be rocky. Kepler-20e is slightly smaller than Venus, measuring 0.87 times the radius of Earth. Kepler-20f is a bit larger than Earth, measuring 1.03 times its radius. Both planets reside in a five-planet system called Kepler-20, approximately 1,000 light-years away in the constellation Lyra.
Kepler-20e orbits its parent star every 6.1 days and Kepler-20f every 19.6 days. These short orbital periods mean very hot, inhospitable worlds. Kepler-20f, at 800 degrees Fahrenheit, is similar to an average day on the planet Mercury. The surface temperature of Kepler-20e, at more than 1,400 degrees Fahrenheit, would melt glass.
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This is amazing!
Is life there gonna be like earth's? thanks
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Man, there gotta be earth like planets closer than a 1000! light-years away.
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I think space travel needs to be higher on the list before we worry about destination. Discovering these planets is cool and what-not, but what's the point in looking/discovering if we can't even remotely come close to landing on them?
On December 06 2011 23:11 ryanAnger wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 23:05 Nizaris wrote:On December 06 2011 19:27 TheRealArtemis wrote:On December 06 2011 17:23 Reborn8u wrote:A lot of people here are pretty pessimistic. Try to realize what the world was like over a century ago. Automobiles, flight, communications (internet, television, cellphones), space travel, were all unimaginable dreams just a generation before they happened. I think it is foolish to rule out that mankind could have a major breakthrough in the next half century that will change life as we know it and our role in the universe. Ask your grandparents how many times over their world was revolutionized by technology. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but don't rule it out. Who knows, maybe 20 years from now someone will discover a propulsion method to get much closer to light speed than we think is possible today. According to the theory of relativity, time slows as you approach light speed. So a trip that is 35 light years would pass as much less time if you were to move fast enough. Although, much more time would pass for us here on earth during the voyage. I don't know what the future holds, but I like to hope, just maybe, someday in my life, even if I'm 100 years old, that someone will visit another world like earth or at least get a probe there and send back the pictures. Maybe by flying there, maybe mankind will master gravity and be able to bend space, distort time, who knows..... I doubt that people will be willing to bear the financial burden of the vast resources it would take to get a human to another star system with no idea what is there. But maybe in our lives a probe will reach the nearest star, Look at this there are a lot of stars withing 16 light years. Some just 4 light years away. Is it crazy to think that 10 or 20 years from now that it's possible for anyone to develop a propulsion system that could get there in 50 years? Maybe in our lives we will get to see up close pictures of some of the planets orbiting these stars. Maybe I'm just a dreamer, but if you went back 100 years and tried to convince anyone that a man would set foot on the moon, you'd be committed to an asylum. Perhaps we are only 1 epiphany away from the impossible becoming possible. A little more optimism please I think you confuse realism with pessimism. The fact that nothing can live long enough for just 1 lightyear, (76,526 years) with a NASA spaceshuttle traveling 17,500 miles per hour. One can only hope that it will happen in out lifetime, but thats just lying to yourself. Even with an unmanned spacecraft traveling faster, it will still take thousands of years. Its not pessimism, just being real. What we can accomplish today is almost irrelevant. His point was simply that all the things we take for granted today seemed just as impossible to ppl 100y ago as FTL is to us. there's a good chance that in the next 200y we'll cruise the solar system like it is our own backyard. Besides, using a shuttle as reference is lol-worthy, the thing barely has engines. I mean, it's main engines are on separate vehicule and aren't even there by the time it gets to space. Technology to go MUCH faster existed 50y ago (Orion). Yeah, especially considering that the Voyager probes we launched in the 70's are currently leaving our Solar System at speeds of nearly 40,000 mph.
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On December 06 2011 23:05 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 23:02 ryanAnger wrote:
Your use of the term "debunked" implies that it has been proven false. This is not true. Its neither true or false. Thus, not debunked. The term "debunked" imply that : "To expose or ridicule the falseness, sham, or exaggerated claims"
They don't actually claim that neutrinos travel faster than light. I don't think you are quite familiar with how scientists actually communicate.
Their claim is that their experimental data implies an inconsistency between behaviour of neutrinos and the expected behaviour of neutrinos according to our current model. The results are more significant than expected errors, and they cannot find any unaccounted for source of error in their experiment to explain this inconsistency.
They then tentatively put foward it may due to flaws in our current model (eg neutrinos might be able to travel faster than light), since lets face it if you are sure it's not experimental error, that is the next most intuitive explanation for the phenomena.
But I stress, even THEY are appropriately sceptical of the results and are running several braces of tests and looking very hard for any unaccounted for error, because thats the morelikely possibility. But in all this they have neither made a false or exaggerated claim, and evidence is inconclusive in either direction, so it is far from 'debunked' since the inconsistency between the data and the model is still unexplained.
Please do not confuse media hype with actual scientific claims, scientists benefit from careful analysis of results and awareness of incomplete/uncertain information, the media benefit from hype and exaggeration.
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On December 21 2011 11:57 zachMEISTER wrote:I think space travel needs to be higher on the list before we worry about destination. Discovering these planets is cool and what-not, but what's the point in looking/discovering if we can't even remotely come close to landing on them? Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 23:11 ryanAnger wrote:On December 06 2011 23:05 Nizaris wrote:On December 06 2011 19:27 TheRealArtemis wrote:On December 06 2011 17:23 Reborn8u wrote:A lot of people here are pretty pessimistic. Try to realize what the world was like over a century ago. Automobiles, flight, communications (internet, television, cellphones), space travel, were all unimaginable dreams just a generation before they happened. I think it is foolish to rule out that mankind could have a major breakthrough in the next half century that will change life as we know it and our role in the universe. Ask your grandparents how many times over their world was revolutionized by technology. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but don't rule it out. Who knows, maybe 20 years from now someone will discover a propulsion method to get much closer to light speed than we think is possible today. According to the theory of relativity, time slows as you approach light speed. So a trip that is 35 light years would pass as much less time if you were to move fast enough. Although, much more time would pass for us here on earth during the voyage. I don't know what the future holds, but I like to hope, just maybe, someday in my life, even if I'm 100 years old, that someone will visit another world like earth or at least get a probe there and send back the pictures. Maybe by flying there, maybe mankind will master gravity and be able to bend space, distort time, who knows..... I doubt that people will be willing to bear the financial burden of the vast resources it would take to get a human to another star system with no idea what is there. But maybe in our lives a probe will reach the nearest star, Look at this there are a lot of stars withing 16 light years. Some just 4 light years away. Is it crazy to think that 10 or 20 years from now that it's possible for anyone to develop a propulsion system that could get there in 50 years? Maybe in our lives we will get to see up close pictures of some of the planets orbiting these stars. Maybe I'm just a dreamer, but if you went back 100 years and tried to convince anyone that a man would set foot on the moon, you'd be committed to an asylum. Perhaps we are only 1 epiphany away from the impossible becoming possible. A little more optimism please I think you confuse realism with pessimism. The fact that nothing can live long enough for just 1 lightyear, (76,526 years) with a NASA spaceshuttle traveling 17,500 miles per hour. One can only hope that it will happen in out lifetime, but thats just lying to yourself. Even with an unmanned spacecraft traveling faster, it will still take thousands of years. Its not pessimism, just being real. What we can accomplish today is almost irrelevant. His point was simply that all the things we take for granted today seemed just as impossible to ppl 100y ago as FTL is to us. there's a good chance that in the next 200y we'll cruise the solar system like it is our own backyard. Besides, using a shuttle as reference is lol-worthy, the thing barely has engines. I mean, it's main engines are on separate vehicule and aren't even there by the time it gets to space. Technology to go MUCH faster existed 50y ago (Orion). Yeah, especially considering that the Voyager probes we launched in the 70's are currently leaving our Solar System at speeds of nearly 40,000 mph. Source?
From http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/interstellar.html :
Voyager 1 is escaping the solar system at a speed of about 3.6 AU per year, 35 degrees out of the ecliptic plane to the north, in the general direction of the Solar Apex (the direction of the Sun's motion relative to nearby stars). Voyager 2 is also escaping the solar system at a speed of about 3.3 AU per year, 48 degrees out of the ecliptic plane to the south.
1 AU is 149,598,000 km.
3.6 AU is 538,552,800 km.
Per year, so 538,552,800 km / 365.25 (days) / 24 (hours) = ~61,000 km/h
1 km = ~0.62 mi
61,000 * 0.62 = 37,820 mph
It used to say directly on the website that I linked how fast they were going in MPH but I couldn't seem to find it, so I apologize for the math lesson if you didn't need help, I just wanted to be clear about how I got those numbers.
Something to keep in mind about this speed is that due to the virtual lack of friction in space, the probes will maintain these speeds forever, unless something interferes with them. One of the best possible methods of future space travel would be utilizing this lack of friction, and accelerating continuously at 1G until reaching the half-way point of the destination, and then decelerating the rest of the flight. Theoretically, the human body would feel little different during this acceleration than it does accelerating at normal speeds on Earth.
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On December 21 2011 11:57 zachMEISTER wrote:I think space travel needs to be higher on the list before we worry about destination. Discovering these planets is cool and what-not, but what's the point in looking/discovering if we can't even remotely come close to landing on them? Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 23:11 ryanAnger wrote:On December 06 2011 23:05 Nizaris wrote:On December 06 2011 19:27 TheRealArtemis wrote:On December 06 2011 17:23 Reborn8u wrote:A lot of people here are pretty pessimistic. Try to realize what the world was like over a century ago. Automobiles, flight, communications (internet, television, cellphones), space travel, were all unimaginable dreams just a generation before they happened. I think it is foolish to rule out that mankind could have a major breakthrough in the next half century that will change life as we know it and our role in the universe. Ask your grandparents how many times over their world was revolutionized by technology. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but don't rule it out. Who knows, maybe 20 years from now someone will discover a propulsion method to get much closer to light speed than we think is possible today. According to the theory of relativity, time slows as you approach light speed. So a trip that is 35 light years would pass as much less time if you were to move fast enough. Although, much more time would pass for us here on earth during the voyage. I don't know what the future holds, but I like to hope, just maybe, someday in my life, even if I'm 100 years old, that someone will visit another world like earth or at least get a probe there and send back the pictures. Maybe by flying there, maybe mankind will master gravity and be able to bend space, distort time, who knows..... I doubt that people will be willing to bear the financial burden of the vast resources it would take to get a human to another star system with no idea what is there. But maybe in our lives a probe will reach the nearest star, Look at this there are a lot of stars withing 16 light years. Some just 4 light years away. Is it crazy to think that 10 or 20 years from now that it's possible for anyone to develop a propulsion system that could get there in 50 years? Maybe in our lives we will get to see up close pictures of some of the planets orbiting these stars. Maybe I'm just a dreamer, but if you went back 100 years and tried to convince anyone that a man would set foot on the moon, you'd be committed to an asylum. Perhaps we are only 1 epiphany away from the impossible becoming possible. A little more optimism please I think you confuse realism with pessimism. The fact that nothing can live long enough for just 1 lightyear, (76,526 years) with a NASA spaceshuttle traveling 17,500 miles per hour. One can only hope that it will happen in out lifetime, but thats just lying to yourself. Even with an unmanned spacecraft traveling faster, it will still take thousands of years. Its not pessimism, just being real. What we can accomplish today is almost irrelevant. His point was simply that all the things we take for granted today seemed just as impossible to ppl 100y ago as FTL is to us. there's a good chance that in the next 200y we'll cruise the solar system like it is our own backyard. Besides, using a shuttle as reference is lol-worthy, the thing barely has engines. I mean, it's main engines are on separate vehicule and aren't even there by the time it gets to space. Technology to go MUCH faster existed 50y ago (Orion). Yeah, especially considering that the Voyager probes we launched in the 70's are currently leaving our Solar System at speeds of nearly 40,000 mph. Source?
"Voyager 1's current relative velocity to the sun is 17,060 m/s (61,400 km/h; 38,200 mph)."
Still fantastic speeds IMO, most people don't believe these probes travel so quickly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_1
Edit: Whoops, responded at the same time as someone else.
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On December 21 2011 13:35 Kenshin_915 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 11:57 zachMEISTER wrote:I think space travel needs to be higher on the list before we worry about destination. Discovering these planets is cool and what-not, but what's the point in looking/discovering if we can't even remotely come close to landing on them? On December 06 2011 23:11 ryanAnger wrote:On December 06 2011 23:05 Nizaris wrote:On December 06 2011 19:27 TheRealArtemis wrote:On December 06 2011 17:23 Reborn8u wrote:A lot of people here are pretty pessimistic. Try to realize what the world was like over a century ago. Automobiles, flight, communications (internet, television, cellphones), space travel, were all unimaginable dreams just a generation before they happened. I think it is foolish to rule out that mankind could have a major breakthrough in the next half century that will change life as we know it and our role in the universe. Ask your grandparents how many times over their world was revolutionized by technology. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but don't rule it out. Who knows, maybe 20 years from now someone will discover a propulsion method to get much closer to light speed than we think is possible today. According to the theory of relativity, time slows as you approach light speed. So a trip that is 35 light years would pass as much less time if you were to move fast enough. Although, much more time would pass for us here on earth during the voyage. I don't know what the future holds, but I like to hope, just maybe, someday in my life, even if I'm 100 years old, that someone will visit another world like earth or at least get a probe there and send back the pictures. Maybe by flying there, maybe mankind will master gravity and be able to bend space, distort time, who knows..... I doubt that people will be willing to bear the financial burden of the vast resources it would take to get a human to another star system with no idea what is there. But maybe in our lives a probe will reach the nearest star, Look at this there are a lot of stars withing 16 light years. Some just 4 light years away. Is it crazy to think that 10 or 20 years from now that it's possible for anyone to develop a propulsion system that could get there in 50 years? Maybe in our lives we will get to see up close pictures of some of the planets orbiting these stars. Maybe I'm just a dreamer, but if you went back 100 years and tried to convince anyone that a man would set foot on the moon, you'd be committed to an asylum. Perhaps we are only 1 epiphany away from the impossible becoming possible. A little more optimism please I think you confuse realism with pessimism. The fact that nothing can live long enough for just 1 lightyear, (76,526 years) with a NASA spaceshuttle traveling 17,500 miles per hour. One can only hope that it will happen in out lifetime, but thats just lying to yourself. Even with an unmanned spacecraft traveling faster, it will still take thousands of years. Its not pessimism, just being real. What we can accomplish today is almost irrelevant. His point was simply that all the things we take for granted today seemed just as impossible to ppl 100y ago as FTL is to us. there's a good chance that in the next 200y we'll cruise the solar system like it is our own backyard. Besides, using a shuttle as reference is lol-worthy, the thing barely has engines. I mean, it's main engines are on separate vehicule and aren't even there by the time it gets to space. Technology to go MUCH faster existed 50y ago (Orion). Yeah, especially considering that the Voyager probes we launched in the 70's are currently leaving our Solar System at speeds of nearly 40,000 mph. Source? "Voyager 1's current relative velocity to the sun is 17,060 m/s (61,400 km/h; 38,200 mph)." Still fantastic speeds IMO, most people don't believe these probes travel so quickly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_1Edit: Whoops, responded at the same time as someone else.
Haha, I was just going to link the Wiki article, but some people don't trust Wikipedia.
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On December 21 2011 13:40 ryanAnger wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 13:35 Kenshin_915 wrote:On December 21 2011 11:57 zachMEISTER wrote:I think space travel needs to be higher on the list before we worry about destination. Discovering these planets is cool and what-not, but what's the point in looking/discovering if we can't even remotely come close to landing on them? On December 06 2011 23:11 ryanAnger wrote:On December 06 2011 23:05 Nizaris wrote:On December 06 2011 19:27 TheRealArtemis wrote:On December 06 2011 17:23 Reborn8u wrote:A lot of people here are pretty pessimistic. Try to realize what the world was like over a century ago. Automobiles, flight, communications (internet, television, cellphones), space travel, were all unimaginable dreams just a generation before they happened. I think it is foolish to rule out that mankind could have a major breakthrough in the next half century that will change life as we know it and our role in the universe. Ask your grandparents how many times over their world was revolutionized by technology. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but don't rule it out. Who knows, maybe 20 years from now someone will discover a propulsion method to get much closer to light speed than we think is possible today. According to the theory of relativity, time slows as you approach light speed. So a trip that is 35 light years would pass as much less time if you were to move fast enough. Although, much more time would pass for us here on earth during the voyage. I don't know what the future holds, but I like to hope, just maybe, someday in my life, even if I'm 100 years old, that someone will visit another world like earth or at least get a probe there and send back the pictures. Maybe by flying there, maybe mankind will master gravity and be able to bend space, distort time, who knows..... I doubt that people will be willing to bear the financial burden of the vast resources it would take to get a human to another star system with no idea what is there. But maybe in our lives a probe will reach the nearest star, Look at this there are a lot of stars withing 16 light years. Some just 4 light years away. Is it crazy to think that 10 or 20 years from now that it's possible for anyone to develop a propulsion system that could get there in 50 years? Maybe in our lives we will get to see up close pictures of some of the planets orbiting these stars. Maybe I'm just a dreamer, but if you went back 100 years and tried to convince anyone that a man would set foot on the moon, you'd be committed to an asylum. Perhaps we are only 1 epiphany away from the impossible becoming possible. A little more optimism please I think you confuse realism with pessimism. The fact that nothing can live long enough for just 1 lightyear, (76,526 years) with a NASA spaceshuttle traveling 17,500 miles per hour. One can only hope that it will happen in out lifetime, but thats just lying to yourself. Even with an unmanned spacecraft traveling faster, it will still take thousands of years. Its not pessimism, just being real. What we can accomplish today is almost irrelevant. His point was simply that all the things we take for granted today seemed just as impossible to ppl 100y ago as FTL is to us. there's a good chance that in the next 200y we'll cruise the solar system like it is our own backyard. Besides, using a shuttle as reference is lol-worthy, the thing barely has engines. I mean, it's main engines are on separate vehicule and aren't even there by the time it gets to space. Technology to go MUCH faster existed 50y ago (Orion). Yeah, especially considering that the Voyager probes we launched in the 70's are currently leaving our Solar System at speeds of nearly 40,000 mph. Source? "Voyager 1's current relative velocity to the sun is 17,060 m/s (61,400 km/h; 38,200 mph)." Still fantastic speeds IMO, most people don't believe these probes travel so quickly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_1Edit: Whoops, responded at the same time as someone else. Haha, I was just going to link the Wiki article, but some people don't trust Wikipedia.
True, I though that too and was going to link directly to NASA's website but I'm lazy. I think people forget they can go to Wikipedia even if they don't "trust" it, and then just backtrack to the sources they use to see if their trustworthy.
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God this is just so cool. I never cease to be amazed by the sheer vastness of the universe. This kind of thing is simultaneously exciting and depressing because I doubt that we will ever be able to overcome our petty squables. I hope that we just once find proof of life elsewhere in the universe before we nuke ourselves to oblivion and/or destroy the atmosphere and fry ourselves to death through global warming.
This kind of thing begs the question: What the hell is all of this that we call the universe, how did it come to be, and where is it going?
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hundreds of billions of stars in a galaxy and hundreds of billions of galaxies in the visible universe.
and God wants us to chop off our daughters clit.
Religions are so silly.
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Eighteen pages without a religious reference then you break it with female genital mutilation? Come on man.
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