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xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
August 16 2011 21:49 GMT
#21
On August 17 2011 06:46 FoeHamr wrote:
don't richest people in this country pay the most taxes already?


Number wise yes, but not percentage wise. I think he mentions it in his article. He pays around 17% while his coworkers pay around 30? HE did mention it.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
August 16 2011 21:50 GMT
#22
On August 17 2011 06:41 Megatronn wrote:
If he's so concerned why doesn't he just give his money away to some poor families? o.o

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
It doesn't matter how much money he gives away, if it's not distributed right (ie via tax to infrastructure, education,v.v..v.), it's a waste of money.

Buffet has always been my hero.
BuddhaMonk
Profile Joined August 2010
781 Posts
August 16 2011 21:50 GMT
#23
On August 17 2011 06:44 Megatronn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2011 06:43 TurpinOS wrote:
On August 17 2011 06:41 Megatronn wrote:
If he's so concerned why doesn't he just give his money away to some poor families? o.o


That is a totally different issue, what does ''having money'' have to do with pointing out failures of a complete system.

He's basically saying the rich should be taxed, the debt will go down and jobs will be made, right? If he cares so much why doesn't he give his money away to people that he thinks need/deserve it?


He has pledged to give away roughly $30 billion dollars when he dies. Do a little research before you talk please.
koonst
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States215 Posts
August 16 2011 21:50 GMT
#24
actually because they are rich people wil bend over and kiss rich peoples asses. and they can aford to get a lawyer soo they can get away with more.. m,ore often.. + their rich friends laready know loop holes.
like most corperations are actually small buissnness becuase they are owned by a family.. not stock holders or something to that effect.
+ some other rich people have swiss bank accounts or offshore head qurters or adresses just to by pass taxes..
soo no
they actually pay alot less % then a poor guy. like myself.
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
August 16 2011 21:52 GMT
#25
On August 17 2011 06:49 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2011 06:46 FoeHamr wrote:
don't richest people in this country pay the most taxes already?


Number wise yes, but not percentage wise. I think he mentions it in his article. He pays around 17% while his coworkers pay around 30? HE did mention it.



That's because the long term capital gains rate is 15%. The richest people only get a small portion of their wealth from salary, so their income is not taxed at the "income" tax rate.
BuddhaMonk
Profile Joined August 2010
781 Posts
August 16 2011 21:53 GMT
#26
On August 17 2011 06:48 Kaitlin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2011 06:43 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
On August 17 2011 06:41 Megatronn wrote:
If he's so concerned why doesn't he just give his money away to some poor families? o.o


Oh my god. He's donating his money already. And he's donating 99% of his wealth when he dies. He's talking about what he thinks would benefit the US as a nation. Stop acting like he's some selfish man, cuz he's not.


According to his statements that the rich should pay more taxes to the government, the fact that he's donating 99% of his wealth to charity when he dies is hypocritical. By donating to charities that HE favors, he denies the government about 60% of his wealth that would have been paid in estate taxes had he not made that selfish decision himself and left it to the government's better judgment.


So your argument is that he's selfish because he's giving away 99% of his wealth?

LOL
Enchanted
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1609 Posts
August 16 2011 21:53 GMT
#27
On August 17 2011 06:50 canikizu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2011 06:41 Megatronn wrote:
If he's so concerned why doesn't he just give his money away to some poor families? o.o

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
It doesn't matter how much money he gives away, if it's not distributed right (ie via tax to infrastructure, education,v.v..v.), it's a waste of money.

Buffet has always been my hero.

So we should get rid of wellfare because that's basically giving someone their fish, right?

I am gonna get hated so much in this thread ^^. Brb popcorn.

User was warned for this post
Bigpet
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany533 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 21:56:42
August 16 2011 21:53 GMT
#28
Him and gates have been saying that for a long time



but now it's suddenly important for some reason

edit: The video is from 2005 btw.
I'm NOT the caster with a similar nick
Hikari
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
1914 Posts
August 16 2011 21:54 GMT
#29
I must add that Warren Buffett does a lot of charity work. Not only does he promote charity work, he also lead by act such as donating $37billion to the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation.
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
August 16 2011 21:55 GMT
#30
On August 17 2011 06:53 Bigpet wrote:
Him and gates have been saying that for a long time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVOwaMWewGY

but now it's suddenly important for some reason


Because now we see the dire consequences of not doing that.
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3806 Posts
August 16 2011 21:56 GMT
#31
Just to put things in to perspective for you americans with your "High taxes of 39 something %"

In Denmark (it's a actually a country, not a city in Sweden) The average tax percentage for an industrial worker with no family and kids is 60 %. (taxes on cigarettes, and other stuff included)

Also I believe that OP is right when pointing out that Warren Buffet really has hit a nerve, and that the rich gets richer as long as they dominate the political scene
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
August 16 2011 21:57 GMT
#32
On August 17 2011 06:49 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2011 06:46 FoeHamr wrote:
don't richest people in this country pay the most taxes already?


Number wise yes, but not percentage wise. I think he mentions it in his article. He pays around 17% while his coworkers pay around 30? HE did mention it.


What a crock of crap. I don't mean you, as I know Buffett said it, but first, his tax records are not public, so he can claim whatever the fuck he wants and nobody can verify it. Not even the IRS can come out and call him a liar, as they are bound by disclosure laws. Second, payroll taxes are capped at a certain amount, so his fellow employees pay payroll taxes on their entire income where he does not. He pays the same taxes as they do, and more, up to the cap that applies to social security taxes. Third, he said a lot of his income is from capital gains, which when compared to the wages his employees are making, it's apples and oranges. Fourth, he most certainly has dividend income, which is taxed at a lower rate these days, but that income is being double taxed anyways, as the corporation paying the dividend has already paid tax on that, a rate that you can be sure Mr. Buffett is not including in his 17% calcuation. Fifth, I'm sure Mr. Buffett has plenty of private foundations in his name that he contributes to annually, which he determines how the money is to be spent in charitable ways. These contributions are deducted from his income before calculating his taxes, even though he dictates how the money is spent, instead of the government. Sixth, it's safe to say that his 17% number is based on his total income before all these deductions that he is taking and not based on his taxable income, whereas his "coworkers" do not have deductions to that extent.

Misleading at best.
hacpee
Profile Joined November 2007
United States752 Posts
August 16 2011 21:57 GMT
#33
On August 17 2011 06:50 BuddhaMonk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2011 06:44 Megatronn wrote:
On August 17 2011 06:43 TurpinOS wrote:
On August 17 2011 06:41 Megatronn wrote:
If he's so concerned why doesn't he just give his money away to some poor families? o.o


That is a totally different issue, what does ''having money'' have to do with pointing out failures of a complete system.

He's basically saying the rich should be taxed, the debt will go down and jobs will be made, right? If he cares so much why doesn't he give his money away to people that he thinks need/deserve it?


He has pledged to give away roughly $30 billion dollars when he dies. Do a little research before you talk please.


Most of that will be tax free. That means he is cheating the government in billions of dollars in estate taxes by giving it to a charity. The proper question is, if Buffet feels that his taxes are too low, why doesn't he just donate the proper amount to the IRS?
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
August 16 2011 21:58 GMT
#34
It's so amusing.

He is talking about income taxation. Rich people can afford financial advisors who will make sure that the amount of income taxes they have to pay will remain ridiculously low, no matter whether it's 25% or 45% or 65%.

It's wealth that really should be taxed, and that will never happen because no-one even knows the difference.
TheFrankOne
Profile Joined December 2010
United States667 Posts
August 16 2011 21:58 GMT
#35
On August 17 2011 06:53 Megatronn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2011 06:50 canikizu wrote:
On August 17 2011 06:41 Megatronn wrote:
If he's so concerned why doesn't he just give his money away to some poor families? o.o

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
It doesn't matter how much money he gives away, if it's not distributed right (ie via tax to infrastructure, education,v.v..v.), it's a waste of money.

Buffet has always been my hero.

So we should get rid of wellfare because that's basically giving someone their fish, right?

I am gonna get hated so much in this thread ^^. Brb popcorn.


You're blatantly trolling, its obnoxious.

While taxing the rich more will not immediately solve the debt problem, changing the tax structure can help job creation. Low capital gains taxes just encourage dividend payouts over job creation and investment by executives.
DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
August 16 2011 21:59 GMT
#36
Ahhh the classic idiotic response of "why doesnt he just donate his money!" when he's talking about overall higher taxes for a certain group of people. As if the 2 have anything to do with each other...
BuddhaMonk
Profile Joined August 2010
781 Posts
August 16 2011 21:59 GMT
#37
On August 17 2011 06:57 Kaitlin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2011 06:49 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
On August 17 2011 06:46 FoeHamr wrote:
don't richest people in this country pay the most taxes already?


Number wise yes, but not percentage wise. I think he mentions it in his article. He pays around 17% while his coworkers pay around 30? HE did mention it.


What a crock of crap. I don't mean you, as I know Buffett said it, but first, his tax records are not public, so he can claim whatever the fuck he wants and nobody can verify it. Not even the IRS can come out and call him a liar, as they are bound by disclosure laws. Second, payroll taxes are capped at a certain amount, so his fellow employees pay payroll taxes on their entire income where he does not. He pays the same taxes as they do, and more, up to the cap that applies to social security taxes. Third, he said a lot of his income is from capital gains, which when compared to the wages his employees are making, it's apples and oranges. Fourth, he most certainly has dividend income, which is taxed at a lower rate these days, but that income is being double taxed anyways, as the corporation paying the dividend has already paid tax on that, a rate that you can be sure Mr. Buffett is not including in his 17% calcuation. Fifth, I'm sure Mr. Buffett has plenty of private foundations in his name that he contributes to annually, which he determines how the money is to be spent in charitable ways. These contributions are deducted from his income before calculating his taxes, even though he dictates how the money is spent, instead of the government. Sixth, it's safe to say that his 17% number is based on his total income before all these deductions that he is taking and not based on his taxable income, whereas his "coworkers" do not have deductions to that extent.

Misleading at best.


That was part of his point, payroll taxes should not be capped at 100k or whatever it's capped at, and capital gains taxes should probably go back to what they were in the 70's.
trainRiderJ
Profile Joined August 2010
United States615 Posts
August 16 2011 21:59 GMT
#38
On August 17 2011 06:57 hacpee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2011 06:50 BuddhaMonk wrote:
On August 17 2011 06:44 Megatronn wrote:
On August 17 2011 06:43 TurpinOS wrote:
On August 17 2011 06:41 Megatronn wrote:
If he's so concerned why doesn't he just give his money away to some poor families? o.o


That is a totally different issue, what does ''having money'' have to do with pointing out failures of a complete system.

He's basically saying the rich should be taxed, the debt will go down and jobs will be made, right? If he cares so much why doesn't he give his money away to people that he thinks need/deserve it?


He has pledged to give away roughly $30 billion dollars when he dies. Do a little research before you talk please.


Most of that will be tax free. That means he is cheating the government in billions of dollars in estate taxes by giving it to a charity. The proper question is, if Buffet feels that his taxes are too low, why doesn't he just donate the proper amount to the IRS?

Exactly!

While donating a large sum of money to charity is an extremely noble thing to do, it doesn't do anything to help the issue of a "rich person not paying enough in taxes".
Bigpet
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany533 Posts
August 16 2011 22:00 GMT
#39
On August 17 2011 06:57 Kaitlin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2011 06:49 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
On August 17 2011 06:46 FoeHamr wrote:
don't richest people in this country pay the most taxes already?


Number wise yes, but not percentage wise. I think he mentions it in his article. He pays around 17% while his coworkers pay around 30? HE did mention it.


What a crock of crap. I don't mean you, as I know Buffett said it, but first, his tax records are not public, so he can claim whatever the fuck he wants and nobody can verify it. Not even the IRS can come out and call him a liar, as they are bound by disclosure laws. Second, payroll taxes are capped at a certain amount, so his fellow employees pay payroll taxes on their entire income where he does not. He pays the same taxes as they do, and more, up to the cap that applies to social security taxes. Third, he said a lot of his income is from capital gains, which when compared to the wages his employees are making, it's apples and oranges. Fourth, he most certainly has dividend income, which is taxed at a lower rate these days, but that income is being double taxed anyways, as the corporation paying the dividend has already paid tax on that, a rate that you can be sure Mr. Buffett is not including in his 17% calcuation. Fifth, I'm sure Mr. Buffett has plenty of private foundations in his name that he contributes to annually, which he determines how the money is to be spent in charitable ways. These contributions are deducted from his income before calculating his taxes, even though he dictates how the money is spent, instead of the government. Sixth, it's safe to say that his 17% number is based on his total income before all these deductions that he is taking and not based on his taxable income, whereas his "coworkers" do not have deductions to that extent.

Misleading at best.


Capital gains tax is 15%, so that just means that the brunt of his income is from capital gains doesn't it? Or he's deducting a huge amount from his charity work.
I'm NOT the caster with a similar nick
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
August 16 2011 22:00 GMT
#40
On August 17 2011 06:53 BuddhaMonk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2011 06:48 Kaitlin wrote:
On August 17 2011 06:43 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
On August 17 2011 06:41 Megatronn wrote:
If he's so concerned why doesn't he just give his money away to some poor families? o.o


Oh my god. He's donating his money already. And he's donating 99% of his wealth when he dies. He's talking about what he thinks would benefit the US as a nation. Stop acting like he's some selfish man, cuz he's not.


According to his statements that the rich should pay more taxes to the government, the fact that he's donating 99% of his wealth to charity when he dies is hypocritical. By donating to charities that HE favors, he denies the government about 60% of his wealth that would have been paid in estate taxes had he not made that selfish decision himself and left it to the government's better judgment.


So your argument is that he's selfish because he's giving away 99% of his wealth?

LOL


We're talking about what happens when he dies. I don't know what religion you are, but short of re-incarnation, 100% of everyone's wealth is "given away" when they die. He is preventing the government from getting it's cut of 60% even though his comments call for the rich to pay more. He is being quite hypocritical by demonstrating the exact opposite, that he wants to control how his money is spent, instead of the government.
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