EPTI disagree about Ron Paul. There are many people who are independent and even democrat who would vote for him in the general election. The fact is the GOP as it is, is dying. It is dying fast to independents, much fast than the Dem. If the GOP does not change or adapt it will die. I know many "adults" who say they support Ron Paul's foreign policy. Everyone is war weary.
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cfoy3
United States129 Posts
I disagree about Ron Paul. There are many people who are independent and even democrat who would vote for him in the general election. The fact is the GOP as it is, is dying. It is dying fast to independents, much fast than the Dem. If the GOP does not change or adapt it will die. I know many "adults" who say they support Ron Paul's foreign policy. Everyone is war weary. | ||
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Krehlmar
Sweden1149 Posts
He has some ok idea's, like changing taxes to pre-bush era, raising them. I don't agree on removing the education ministry aswell as healthcare etc. because that's fucking retarded and anyone who says differently should just rework their thought by exchanging the word "remove" with "improve/change": It's ok to change the education ministry or healthcare, but removing them? Christ Texas spends 100 000 on public libraries, a state with 26+ million people, you really want to make people even dumber than that? Also this is not ment as an insult, but people do get dumber if you don't educate them and then fill them with fear, prejudice and stupid dogmas. Sigh I sound like an anti-american but really I'm not, I really wish they'd pull themselves togheter, the Tea Party is a bullshit populist move, the idea is right; Power to the people, the execution is wrong because rightwing in the US is always founded and governed by extremely capitalist and monetary-gain interests that don't give two shit about wealth distribution. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
Knowing the existence of this imperial system and the level of control they have over politics, I hope you all will grow up and stop saying things like: "Ron Paul is the only candidate that would change the United States". No, he won't, because if his beliefs are genuine he won't ever be elected. If as a candidate you are too hostile to the status quo, the corporate media will just effectively remove you from the election. You could call it a conspiracy, but it's done so openly that I can only conclude most Americans just don't care about their lack of democracy. | ||
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Sceptor87
Canada266 Posts
Obama said a lot of shit that people wanted to hear, and that's it. | ||
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CrazedManiac
40 Posts
I don't know the first thing about American politics, and truth be told I really couldn't care. OK. Obama said a lot of shit that people wanted to hear, and that's it. So how do you know? | ||
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cfoy3
United States129 Posts
You do not understand the Republican platform in regards to education. Its not that we want people to be dumb, its that education, under the constitution, has no role at the federal level. It just wastes money at the federal level, and by every metric education has seen little improvement or become worse since the federal government has gotten involved. Remember each state is roughly a european country. Imagine a central European government dictating to all the countries how their students should be taught, and you can see how people might get pissed. | ||
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hoganftw
United States32 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
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Lord_of_Chaos
Sweden372 Posts
I might be completely wrong because of how this is portrayed and because I'm not informed enough about American politics, but this is my view of it: US starts two wars. When the two wars end up not being finished with promised "surgical precision" and actually take a realistic turn instead American soldiers start dying. The economy takes a turn for the worse and the US can't support the wars. Now Americans wants to pack their shit and leave and let the arabs deal with their own problems (caused by the US). I'd be glad if someone could either correct or confirm this view, or show me how any of the candidates that wants to take home the troops have a viable plan for taking its nation's responsibility. | ||
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Klaca
318 Posts
On August 19 2011 08:36 Lord_of_Chaos wrote: It seems like most Americans in here wants to pull out of the two wars. Does any of the candidates that support this have a realistic plan on how to do so without leaving Iraq and Afghanistan in complete civil war? I might be completely wrong because of how this is portrayed and because I'm not informed enough about American politics, but this is my view of it: US starts two wars. When the two wars end up not being finished with promised "surgical precision" and actually take a realistic turn instead American soldiers start dying. The economy takes a turn for the worse and the US can't support the wars. Now Americans wants to pack their shit and leave and let the arabs deal with their own problems (caused by the US). I'd be glad if someone could either correct or confirm this view, or show me how any of the candidates that wants to take home the troops have a viable plan for taking its nation's responsibility. its their business, and we stay the hell outta it. its that simple, really.all the liberal worries about world hunger, danger and whatnot are pointless. | ||
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notsohumble
United States10 Posts
On August 19 2011 07:58 Krehlmar wrote: I read the Swedish newspaper regarding the republican candidates, and frankly Paul doesn't seem like the biggest asshole ever although most republicans have sold out their souls to capitalism and bullshit ideals to get power ("god", "constitution" and "liberty" are warningsigns here, anyone who uses them more than once in every speech is a loony true and whole.) He has some ok idea's, like changing taxes to pre-bush era, raising them. I don't agree on removing the education ministry aswell as healthcare etc. because that's fucking retarded and anyone who says differently should just rework their thought by exchanging the word "remove" with "improve/change": It's ok to change the education ministry or healthcare, but removing them? Christ Texas spends 100 000 on public libraries, a state with 26+ million people, you really want to make people even dumber than that? Also this is not ment as an insult, but people do get dumber if you don't educate them and then fill them with fear, prejudice and stupid dogmas. Sigh I sound like an anti-american but really I'm not, I really wish they'd pull themselves togheter, the Tea Party is a bullshit populist move, the idea is right; Power to the people, the execution is wrong because rightwing in the US is always founded and governed by extremely capitalist and monetary-gain interests that don't give two shit about wealth distribution. Take your bitching and make a competent and coherent argument. Also, the world doesn't revolve around your ideals and views on politics. We do things differently here and you come off as ignorant. Come back when you are mentally capable of civilized speech. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On August 19 2011 07:48 Mohdoo wrote: Can you elaborate on why Bachmann is acceptable to you? She seems to be by far the most crazy and least educated. I've never really seen someone defend her, and I'd be curious to hear why you would support her. She just seems really aggressive about foreign policy and lacking in respect for other countries. Bachmann's not stupid. She was smart enough to go through law school and be a successful tax attorney. Besides, educational credentials and "intelligence" are highly overrated. Look at Jimmy Carter, who's regarded as being one of the most intelligent presidents that we have had in the past 100-150 years. He is also considered by many to be the worst president that we had during that time period (and even if he's not, he's always in the conversation when discussing the worst presidents). Obama's another good example. Very "intelligent," but his presidency is quickly becoming the second coming of the Carter administration. As for Bachmann, I'll be the first to admit that she's not perfect. I don't like her lack of political experience and I wonder if she's savvy enough politically to get anything done in Washington. However, her political platform and values don't really differ that much from my own. Also, I'd vote for ANY of the republican candidates over Obama in a heartbeat. Obama is just that unacceptable to me. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On August 19 2011 07:53 cfoy3 wrote: @xdaunt I disagree about Ron Paul. There are many people who are independent and even democrat who would vote for him in the general election. The fact is the GOP as it is, is dying. It is dying fast to independents, much fast than the Dem. If the GOP does not change or adapt it will die. I know many "adults" who say they support Ron Paul's foreign policy. Everyone is war weary. Look at the polls and the last election. The GOP isn't dying. As evidenced by the 2010 elections, it's being reborn and it's on the rise at the expense of democrats. In fact, independents are abandoning Obama in droves. His national approval rating is below 40%. More importantly, Obama's approval rating has gone negative in the past week in both New Jersey and New York. Do you understand how bad that it is politically for him? Those are traditionally "in the bag states" for democrats. As for Ron Paul, he is a fringe candidate now and forever. He still hasn't polled above 10% nationally, and I doubt that he will. Paul's not going anywhere. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On August 19 2011 08:24 hoganftw wrote: Ron Paul is the only real candidate. The rest are really not much different at all, although they trash talk each other constantly. Disagree. Romney and Perry both probably have a better chance at beating Obama than Paul does. I haven't heard either of them trash talk the competition either, but maybe I'm not listening enough. | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
On August 19 2011 08:56 xDaunt wrote: Bachmann's not stupid. She was smart enough to go through law school and be a successful tax attorney. Besides, educational credentials and "intelligence" are highly overrated. Look at Jimmy Carter, who's regarded as being one of the most intelligent presidents that we have had in the past 100-150 years. He is also considered by many to be the worst president that we had during that time period (and even if he's not, he's always in the conversation when discussing the worst presidents). Obama's another good example. Very "intelligent," but his presidency is quickly becoming the second coming of the Carter administration. As for Bachmann, I'll be the first to admit that she's not perfect. I don't like her lack of political experience and I wonder if she's savvy enough politically to get anything done in Washington. However, her political platform and values don't really differ that much from my own. Also, I'd vote for ANY of the republican candidates over Obama in a heartbeat. Obama is just that unacceptable to me. She didn't want to be a tax attorney. In fact, she hates taxes and had no intention of being a lawyer. But her husband told her to go into tax law, and women are supposed to be submissive to their husbands. So she stayed home for 2 days and prayed, and decided that god wanted her to do it because her husband said so. Same deal with her political career. She didn't want to, but hubby said so, and hubby's word is law in a good christian marriage. And that's all straight from her own mouth. I don't know how anyone takes her seriously. edit: I find it a bit hard to reconcile views of female submission with desire to be president. Who would we really be voting for? | ||
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cfoy3
United States129 Posts
Well Ron may be fridge, but I still wouldn't right him off. Maybe that's just wishful thinking. And your right independants are leaving Obama but for who? The Rep? The economy is bad and their blaming it on Obama and are probley are gonna switch. But their is no lasting loyalty, their not becoming Republicans. Like I said the Independants are growing fast, and the Republicans push to be who can be most Republican will come back to bite them later on. At least the Dems are trying to get the independents. However, your point on the Tea party is potentially correct. However, they have more unfavorable connotations than positive ones. If the GOP does not do a better job explaining their vision and their arguments on a deeper level than-no taxes, than I feel it will back fire in the long run. | ||
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Senorcuidado
United States700 Posts
Anyway, as a bonus I'll reprise this amusing video for the Bachmann lovers out there, and it really just scratches the surface  edit: politifact: http://www.politifact.com/personalities/michele-bachmann/statements/?page=2 | ||
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icemanzdoinwork
447 Posts
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liepzig
Singapore45 Posts
On August 19 2011 08:41 Klaca wrote: its their business, and we stay the hell outta it. its that simple, really.all the liberal worries about world hunger, danger and whatnot are pointless. So what you are saying, as an American, is: I don't care if i fuck shit up for people, as long as my country benefits. Leader of the Free World my ass. | ||
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Ympulse
United States287 Posts
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