On July 23 2011 20:52 Ciraxis wrote: Some questions about the motives:
First of all - Anders seems pretty normal? In regards to his political standpoint, what's so different about him? He likes Max Manus? Likes Churchill? He's in the Progress Party? Doesn't like Muslims and immigration? He's a nationalist? What I don't understand is how these seemingly moderate political perspectives eventuated into such a massacre. I am more inclined to believe he was simply a psychopath with too much faith in the radicalism of his political views.
Secondly, the news bulletin here in Australia described him as a "Christian fundamentalist. To what extent is this true? I haven't seen this anywhere, though I heard he called himself a Christian.
Not liking Muslims and immigration is a moderate viewpoint?...
In Western/Middle Europe yes. It's common to not like them. Not hate in particular, but people here are really xenophobic
I'm from the UK and if someone told me they "didn't like Muslims", I'd think they were a right-wing racist idiot.
Here in Sweden, no one would outright say that it's the Muslims they don't like. They'd say something along with "those immigrants." But they're not talking about the Polish, Serbian or other kind of white immigrants, nope, it's the Middle-Eastern ones.
This is the kind of xenophobia i'm talking about. You don't hear people say "i don't like X". But you hear about those "damn immigrants" all the time. No one will say to you: " i don't like muslims". They will tell you how immigrants destroy our society and so on
Man arrested carrying a knife at the Place the PM currently stays
Er sei der Leiter eines Bio-Bauernhofs, Junggeselle und interessiere sich für die Jagd sowie für Computer-Kriegsspiele wie "World of Warcraft" und "Modern Warfare 2".
"[...] interested in hunting and in computer-wargames like World of Warcraft and Modern Warfare 2."
Fucking news.
German news-tv (N-TV) as already called WoW a RTS just to call it a "killer-game" like 20minutes later. Mixed it up with MW2 the second time, obviously. And googling "warcraft" seems to be faster than typing all of the name. Sad there is no quality news-tv in Germany. (Phoenix not really covering close to enough current news.)
On July 23 2011 20:52 Ciraxis wrote: Some questions about the motives:
First of all - Anders seems pretty normal? In regards to his political standpoint, what's so different about him? He likes Max Manus? Likes Churchill? He's in the Progress Party? Doesn't like Muslims and immigration? He's a nationalist? What I don't understand is how these seemingly moderate political perspectives eventuated into such a massacre. I am more inclined to believe he was simply a psychopath with too much faith in the radicalism of his political views.
Secondly, the news bulletin here in Australia described him as a "Christian fundamentalist. To what extent is this true? I haven't seen this anywhere, though I heard he called himself a Christian.
Not liking Muslims and immigration is a moderate viewpoint?...
In Western/Middle Europe yes. It's common to not like them. Not hate in particular, but people here are really xenophobic
I'm from the UK and if someone told me they "didn't like Muslims", I'd think they were a right-wing racist idiot.
Here in Sweden, no one would outright say that it's the Muslims they don't like. They'd say something along with "those immigrants." But they're not talking about the Polish, Serbian or other kind of white immigrants, nope, it's the Middle-Eastern ones.
This is the kind of xenophobia i'm talking about. You don't hear people say "i don't like X". But you hear about those "damn immigrants" all the time. No one will say to you: " i don't like muslims". They will tell you how immigrants destroy our society and so on
Man arrested carrying a knife at the Place the PM currently stays
I have pictures of the guy arrested when he is not blurred that I managed to take from TV2 when they filmed. Does not look the same at all as this guy.
On July 23 2011 20:52 Ciraxis wrote: Some questions about the motives:
First of all - Anders seems pretty normal? In regards to his political standpoint, what's so different about him? He likes Max Manus? Likes Churchill? He's in the Progress Party? Doesn't like Muslims and immigration? He's a nationalist? What I don't understand is how these seemingly moderate political perspectives eventuated into such a massacre. I am more inclined to believe he was simply a psychopath with too much faith in the radicalism of his political views.
Secondly, the news bulletin here in Australia described him as a "Christian fundamentalist. To what extent is this true? I haven't seen this anywhere, though I heard he called himself a Christian.
Not liking Muslims and immigration is a moderate viewpoint?...
In Western/Middle Europe yes. It's common to not like them. Not hate in particular, but people here are really xenophobic
I'm from the UK and if someone told me they "didn't like Muslims", I'd think they were a right-wing racist idiot.
Here in Sweden, no one would outright say that it's the Muslims they don't like. They'd say something along with "those immigrants." But they're not talking about the Polish, Serbian or other kind of white immigrants, nope, it's the Middle-Eastern ones.
This is the kind of xenophobia i'm talking about. You don't hear people say "i don't like X". But you hear about those "damn immigrants" all the time. No one will say to you: " i don't like muslims". They will tell you how immigrants destroy our society and so on
Man arrested carrying a knife at the Place the PM currently stays
On July 23 2011 21:25 Ciraxis wrote: Can somebody confirm if this photo: matches with the video:
No idea, doesn't seem so to me. I'd think all the islands coastline looks somewhat similiar if you compare to the birds-view-photos of the islands posted earlier.
It makes me sick that people keep posting those pictures on the Internet, and especially the people filming the dead bodies along the coastline of the island. How little respect must they have in order to do something like that?
Yes, great, let's not care about the bodies and let's get our 15 minutes of fame instead.
On top of that the conspiracy theorists are starting with their bullshit again. Frankly, I want to rip of their heads even more than I want to smash this Anders' brains out.
On July 23 2011 20:52 Ciraxis wrote: Some questions about the motives:
First of all - Anders seems pretty normal? In regards to his political standpoint, what's so different about him? He likes Max Manus? Likes Churchill? He's in the Progress Party? Doesn't like Muslims and immigration? He's a nationalist? What I don't understand is how these seemingly moderate political perspectives eventuated into such a massacre. I am more inclined to believe he was simply a psychopath with too much faith in the radicalism of his political views.
Secondly, the news bulletin here in Australia described him as a "Christian fundamentalist. To what extent is this true? I haven't seen this anywhere, though I heard he called himself a Christian.
Not liking Muslims and immigration is a moderate viewpoint?...
In Western/Middle Europe yes. It's common to not like them. Not hate in particular, but people here are really xenophobic
I'm from the UK and if someone told me they "didn't like Muslims", I'd think they were a right-wing racist idiot.
Here in Sweden, no one would outright say that it's the Muslims they don't like. They'd say something along with "those immigrants." But they're not talking about the Polish, Serbian or other kind of white immigrants, nope, it's the Middle-Eastern ones.
This is the kind of xenophobia i'm talking about. You don't hear people say "i don't like X". But you hear about those "damn immigrants" all the time. No one will say to you: " i don't like muslims". They will tell you how immigrants destroy our society and so on
Man arrested carrying a knife at the Place the PM currently stays
I have pictures of the guy arrested when he is not blurred that I managed to take from TV2 when they filmed. Does not look the same at all as this guy.
On July 23 2011 20:52 Ciraxis wrote: Some questions about the motives:
First of all - Anders seems pretty normal? In regards to his political standpoint, what's so different about him? He likes Max Manus? Likes Churchill? He's in the Progress Party? Doesn't like Muslims and immigration? He's a nationalist? What I don't understand is how these seemingly moderate political perspectives eventuated into such a massacre. I am more inclined to believe he was simply a psychopath with too much faith in the radicalism of his political views.
Secondly, the news bulletin here in Australia described him as a "Christian fundamentalist. To what extent is this true? I haven't seen this anywhere, though I heard he called himself a Christian.
Not liking Muslims and immigration is a moderate viewpoint?...
In Western/Middle Europe yes. It's common to not like them. Not hate in particular, but people here are really xenophobic
I'm from the UK and if someone told me they "didn't like Muslims", I'd think they were a right-wing racist idiot.
Here in Sweden, no one would outright say that it's the Muslims they don't like. They'd say something along with "those immigrants." But they're not talking about the Polish, Serbian or other kind of white immigrants, nope, it's the Middle-Eastern ones.
This is the kind of xenophobia i'm talking about. You don't hear people say "i don't like X". But you hear about those "damn immigrants" all the time. No one will say to you: " i don't like muslims". They will tell you how immigrants destroy our society and so on
Man arrested carrying a knife at the Place the PM currently stays
I have pictures of the guy arrested when he is not blurred that I managed to take from TV2 when they filmed. Does not look the same at all as this guy.
I am not very sure what we can do but if u stream today I think that you should put a Norwegian Flag somewhere on your stream to show some respect for them and to make sure people know what happened there.
On July 23 2011 20:52 Ciraxis wrote: Some questions about the motives:
First of all - Anders seems pretty normal? In regards to his political standpoint, what's so different about him? He likes Max Manus? Likes Churchill? He's in the Progress Party? Doesn't like Muslims and immigration? He's a nationalist? What I don't understand is how these seemingly moderate political perspectives eventuated into such a massacre. I am more inclined to believe he was simply a psychopath with too much faith in the radicalism of his political views.
Secondly, the news bulletin here in Australia described him as a "Christian fundamentalist. To what extent is this true? I haven't seen this anywhere, though I heard he called himself a Christian.
Not liking Muslims and immigration is a moderate viewpoint?...
In Western/Middle Europe yes. It's common to not like them. Not hate in particular, but people here are really xenophobic
I'm from the UK and if someone told me they "didn't like Muslims", I'd think they were a right-wing racist idiot.
Here in Sweden, no one would outright say that it's the Muslims they don't like. They'd say something along with "those immigrants." But they're not talking about the Polish, Serbian or other kind of white immigrants, nope, it's the Middle-Eastern ones.
This is the kind of xenophobia i'm talking about. You don't hear people say "i don't like X". But you hear about those "damn immigrants" all the time. No one will say to you: " i don't like muslims". They will tell you how immigrants destroy our society and so on
Man arrested carrying a knife at the Place the PM currently stays
I have pictures of the guy arrested when he is not blurred that I managed to take from TV2 when they filmed. Does not look the same at all as this guy.
No idea, doesn't seem so to me. I'd think all the islands coastline looks somewhat similiar if you compare to the birds-view-photos of the islands posted earlier.
It makes me sick that people keep posting those pictures on the Internet, and especially the people filming the dead bodies along the coastline of the island. How little respect must they have in order to do something like that?
Yes, great, let's not care about the bodies and let's get our 15 minutes of fame instead.
On top of that the conspiracy theorists are starting with their bullshit again. Frankly, I want to rip of their heads even more than I want to smash this Anders' brains out.
How about you show some respect to some of the people that actually showed up and helped, like the guys in the boat?
KjetilV: Do you have ANY idea what he would be doing there? I can't think that a person once burning down a school suddently going all political and shit.
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