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Picklesicle
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States64 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 05:47:17
July 02 2011 03:13 GMT
#41
On July 02 2011 12:01 JeeJee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 11:48 Picklesicle wrote:

Oh, and we'll stick we e^(pi*i). There would be an instance of pi being more elegant than tau.


e^(i*pi) = -1

vs

e^(i*tau) = 1

seems equally elegant to me


Point well made and taken.


Although in many of the uses of e^(pi*i), we want it as -1.
billy5000
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States865 Posts
July 02 2011 03:13 GMT
#42
As long as my ti89 can update its pi value to the one suggested, I'd care less. Otherwise, multiplying by two every single time would be really inconvenient, in addition to the fact that I might forget to do so.

Tough luck for grade school students if this change does make its way.
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Warpath
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1242 Posts
July 02 2011 03:14 GMT
#43
I wouldn't mind a new convention for 2pi so we dont have to write 2pi, but its not really a big deal especially since i finished my last college math course and should hopefully not need it in the fieldwork. :D
Clog
Profile Joined January 2011
United States950 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 03:18:01
July 02 2011 03:17 GMT
#44
I don't see any large benefit in changing it. Seems like a lot of headache involved just to be able to take out the multiplication by 2 a few times. And then you'll probably be in the situation where both pi and tau will be used by different people, and some things could potentially get confused or changed in communication. If we could go back in time and have everyone start with tau instead of pi, then yeah sure I'd be all for it. But with humanity using pi for centuries, changing it is soo unnecessary.
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Gliche
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States811 Posts
July 02 2011 03:17 GMT
#45
Sine Cosine Tangent Sine
Three Point One Four One Five Nine


This rhyme helped me so much when I first learned about Pi.
For the sake of this rhyme, please keep Pi or else you will ruin my childhood.
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Zeke50100
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2220 Posts
July 02 2011 03:20 GMT
#46
I'm not going to consider teaching myself to forget pi. Trigonometry is already embedded into my mind in terms of pi. Plus, it's easier to write "2pi" than it is to write "tau/2" (in the cases where you would need a full rotation or half a rotation in a circle, respectively).

Pi is how many diameters needed to equal the circumference of a circle. It's awkward if we just say "tau is twice the number of diameters needed", because it's more arbitrary (and one wouldn't get why we used two circumferences instead of one until they learned "2pi" vs "1tau").
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 02 2011 03:22 GMT
#47
Both works, I don't see the problem.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
July 02 2011 03:23 GMT
#48
On July 02 2011 11:44 iamho wrote:
Fuck no, tau has too many meanings already.


I'm also questioning why they want to use Tau. I remember using it in physics for things, which I want to say rotational acceleration or something close to that, but memory was never my strongest element. Personally I think they should just stack two pis on top of each other and call it something new. This "tau" is merely two pi so it makes more sense anyways. Then again I hate Greek letters with a passion so any opportunity to avoid them is a win.
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Kazragore
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States369 Posts
July 02 2011 03:23 GMT
#49
On July 02 2011 11:37 Livelovedie wrote:
I'm born on pi day, so I want it to stay pi.


I was born on Tau day. And so it begins. . .
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JeanBob
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada295 Posts
July 02 2011 03:24 GMT
#50
Having learned the 20 first decimals of Pi, I'd be pretty sad to see it vanish, put I agree so much on the fact that it would make radians so much simple, and that it is way more logical. But still... I would be sad.
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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
July 02 2011 03:24 GMT
#51
I dig my pi, but tau's cool. Let's use 3pi/2 - we can tall it pitau or taupi which is just awesome.

Convenience is a thing of the past.
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 03:28:48
July 02 2011 03:27 GMT
#52
Meh. I always thought pi = 180 degrees was dumb.
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JeanBob
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada295 Posts
July 02 2011 03:27 GMT
#53
On July 02 2011 12:23 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 11:44 iamho wrote:
Fuck no, tau has too many meanings already.


I'm also questioning why they want to use Tau. I remember using it in physics for things, which I want to say rotational acceleration or something close to that, but memory was never my strongest element. Personally I think they should just stack two pis on top of each other and call it something new. This "tau" is merely two pi so it makes more sense anyways. Then again I hate Greek letters with a passion so any opportunity to avoid them is a win.


The article pretty much explains it.
A circle has a total measure of 2 pi radians, so proportions become complex and weird. Having 1 Tau radian instead is much more easier. Like a quarter of a circle becomes a quarter of a pau radian.
"Teach the ones below you something you have learnt and learn from the ones above you." -Sonata Arctica
Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 03:31:47
July 02 2011 03:29 GMT
#54
http://tauday.com/

Really good explanation of why tau is better than pi.


EDIT:
And something interesting I just found
Whaaaa?
summerloud
Profile Joined March 2010
Austria1201 Posts
July 02 2011 03:30 GMT
#55
thx for the very interesting link

i dont know enough about mathemathics to judge if this is a good change or not

however, i think in general it would be much better to get rid of stupid stuff that people got used to

eg: non-metric system, timezones, writing dates the american way (like they did with 6/28 even in this text), qwertz keyboards, umlauts (öäü) and ß in german, similar letters in skandinavian languages and most accents in spanish italian and french, backward compatibility in computer systems, etc etc etc

also there is a lot of stuff that could easily be improved if you dont give a shit about tradition: rules for plenty of really popular sports could need improvement (football comes into mind), same for board games (chess)

simplify and optimize with no regard to tradition, if we didnt have people do that in the past (thank you napoleon) we would still be stuck with even more old baggage than we are
JeanBob
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada295 Posts
July 02 2011 03:31 GMT
#56
On July 02 2011 12:29 Misder wrote:
http://tauday.com/

Really good explanation of why tau is better than pi.


The greek letter looks like a T, it would confuse me like hell in my works for school :/
Else I think Tau is better.
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Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
July 02 2011 03:33 GMT
#57
I've never really thought about this before (am a math student), but it would certainly be more intuitive in many cases.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 03:39:52
July 02 2011 03:39 GMT
#58
On July 02 2011 12:27 JeanBob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 12:23 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On July 02 2011 11:44 iamho wrote:
Fuck no, tau has too many meanings already.


I'm also questioning why they want to use Tau. I remember using it in physics for things, which I want to say rotational acceleration or something close to that, but memory was never my strongest element. Personally I think they should just stack two pis on top of each other and call it something new. This "tau" is merely two pi so it makes more sense anyways. Then again I hate Greek letters with a passion so any opportunity to avoid them is a win.


The article pretty much explains it.
A circle has a total measure of 2 pi radians, so proportions become complex and weird. Having 1 Tau radian instead is much more easier. Like a quarter of a circle becomes a quarter of a pau radian.


Did you even read past the first sentence? I'm questioning the word choice not the reasoning behind it.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Dave[9]
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2365 Posts
July 02 2011 03:42 GMT
#59
On July 02 2011 12:31 JeanBob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 12:29 Misder wrote:
http://tauday.com/

Really good explanation of why tau is better than pi.


The greek letter looks like a T, it would confuse me like hell in my works for school :/
Else I think Tau is better.


It only looks like a T if you don't make the hat thing squiggly like a ~ lol.

BTW as far as other tau uses go, We used the symbol a lot in my abstract algebra class when studying homomorphisms, isomorphisms, galios groups, etc. Although that was be the use of our professor because he seeming to like tau and lower case sigma the most for those types of things. Oh, and I've seen it used for the golden ratio like twice ever, because phi is so popular for it instead.
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JeanBob
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada295 Posts
July 02 2011 03:42 GMT
#60
On July 02 2011 12:39 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 12:27 JeanBob wrote:
On July 02 2011 12:23 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On July 02 2011 11:44 iamho wrote:
Fuck no, tau has too many meanings already.


I'm also questioning why they want to use Tau. I remember using it in physics for things, which I want to say rotational acceleration or something close to that, but memory was never my strongest element. Personally I think they should just stack two pis on top of each other and call it something new. This "tau" is merely two pi so it makes more sense anyways. Then again I hate Greek letters with a passion so any opportunity to avoid them is a win.


The article pretty much explains it.
A circle has a total measure of 2 pi radians, so proportions become complex and weird. Having 1 Tau radian instead is much more easier. Like a quarter of a circle becomes a quarter of a pau radian.


Did you even read past the first sentence? I'm questioning the word choice not the reasoning behind it.


Oups, sorry, then I have no idea.
"Teach the ones below you something you have learnt and learn from the ones above you." -Sonata Arctica
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