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fancyClown
Profile Joined April 2015
65 Posts
April 20 2015 09:46 GMT
#4581
Ecuador, because of Galapagos.
New Zealand not bad either.
Pakistan, Iceland for the landscapes.
Nauru is just weird.
Bhutan as well.
Turkmenistan always a good bet.
Also, Japan is VERY strange.
Tonga, wtf is this?
India, lots of weirdness.
France for the strange people.
VelJa
Profile Joined October 2011
France1109 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-20 10:15:53
April 20 2015 10:15 GMT
#4582
On April 20 2015 18:46 fancyClown wrote:

France for the strange people.


hahahaha yeah dude nice one


The most strange country is and will be always Russia. Just look all over the internet.
ANGRY_KOREA_MAN. -- Giff WC4 plz
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
April 20 2015 10:37 GMT
#4583
Can modern day Italians listen to Italian Opera and understand it clear as day, or is the structure of the language more akin to Shakespeare in that it is theatrical or more antiquated.
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
April 20 2015 11:35 GMT
#4584
On April 20 2015 19:37 ThomasjServo wrote:
Can modern day Italians listen to Italian Opera and understand it clear as day, or is the structure of the language more akin to Shakespeare in that it is theatrical or more antiquated.


Shakespeare is early modern/Modern English.

Old English (800's)
Middle English (1200's)
Early Modern (1600's)
Present day (2000's)

Shakespeare looked at Chaucer's language and treated it like we treat Shakespeare's.

Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-20 11:38:48
April 20 2015 11:38 GMT
#4585
On April 20 2015 20:35 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2015 19:37 ThomasjServo wrote:
Can modern day Italians listen to Italian Opera and understand it clear as day, or is the structure of the language more akin to Shakespeare in that it is theatrical or more antiquated.


Shakespeare is early modern/Modern English.

Old English (800's)
Middle English (1200's)
Early Modern (1600's)
Present day (2000's)

Shakespeare looked at Chaucer's language and treated it like we treat Shakespeare's.


I would imagine there would have to be similar things for Italian, I've just been on an Opera kick of late and was curious. Couldn't turn anything up in an old text book I have or via Quick google. Then again, now that it isn't before 6 am here and I am 4 cups of coffee deep, most Opera would have been early modern or later in the English, linguistic timeline you cited.


So I suppose it can't be so different by extension.
fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
April 20 2015 12:09 GMT
#4586
This thread is so cool, it's a combination of what the fuck am I reading, mixed in with some really cool debate and facts.
Ex Zerg learning Terran. A bold move.
MoltkeWarding
Profile Joined November 2003
5195 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-20 12:17:18
April 20 2015 12:09 GMT
#4587
On April 20 2015 20:38 ThomasjServo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2015 20:35 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On April 20 2015 19:37 ThomasjServo wrote:
Can modern day Italians listen to Italian Opera and understand it clear as day, or is the structure of the language more akin to Shakespeare in that it is theatrical or more antiquated.


Shakespeare is early modern/Modern English.

Old English (800's)
Middle English (1200's)
Early Modern (1600's)
Present day (2000's)

Shakespeare looked at Chaucer's language and treated it like we treat Shakespeare's.


I would imagine there would have to be similar things for Italian, I've just been on an Opera kick of late and was curious. Couldn't turn anything up in an old text book I have or via Quick google. Then again, now that it isn't before 6 am here and I am 4 cups of coffee deep, most Opera would have been early modern or later in the English, linguistic timeline you cited.


So I suppose it can't be so different by extension.


May I ask which pieces you are watching? By far the most commercially prevalent composers in the world are Verdi and Puccini. Both wrote in the 19th/early 20th centuries, and are easily comprehensible to Italians today. Of the two, Puccini seems to speak to us in a more emotionally pure and transparent language, to the extent that his Operas are a great launching pad for learning both the uses and virtues of Italian.

Shakespearean English is a very eccentric form of early-modern English; effusive metaphorical conceits, mixed with a heavy dose of Latin grammar and imaginative phrasal juxtapositions colour the more quotable portions of his verse, but we are wont to remember that Shakespeare was not Moliere; he wrote in both the language of court and the language of the gutter. There are many "Englishes" in Shakespeare, and he is effective at differentiating his characters through diction.

P.S. It is also worth noting, that Composers rarely wrote their own libretti. There were a few exceptions, such as Wagner and Berlioz, but generally the task of the composer was to set music to the work of the librettist.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
April 20 2015 12:14 GMT
#4588
On April 19 2015 23:18 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 22:22 Cascade wrote:
On April 19 2015 07:00 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On April 19 2015 01:50 oGoZenob wrote:
On April 19 2015 01:29 fancyClown wrote:
What is the most debated topic in the world?

probably religions


Money is the most debated thing in th world.

Who has too much of it
Who doesn't have enough of it
Who gets funding
Who doesn't get funding
Welfare
Taxes
War
Land

All of it is about money.

It's a bit tricky question, add it depends how you classify it. If you discuss a war, are you actually debating money? Money may be part of the causes and influence the debate, but is it the subject of the debate? I mean, taken to the extreme you could say that the most debated subject is the universe, as any discussion will be about things in the universe. You only shut out string theory from that classification.

Anyway, I think we need to agree on exactly how we can classify debate subjects before we answer that question.


This is like when lawyers require a 300page document describing exactly what fire means right? Sounds perfect for this thread!

I guess it comes down to whether you count what were are arguing about on the surface versus what the impetus of the actually is.

For example, most wars are fought over a lack of resources which usually becomes triggered when one or both sides can't afford to just buy those resources from abroad. But when they actually fight they blame superficial things like "belief systems" or "immigration" or "taxes" etc...

The impetus or the surface topics that the impetus pushed to the surface?

I'm a natural scientist, not lawyer or philosopher, so I try to get to a point that you can actually measure to be right or wrong, the briefer the better. Also for the record I should mention that I don't know what an impetus is.

So I'd suggest a reformulation of the question along the lines of "if you ask random person what they are discussing, what do they reply?". One sentence, not 300 pages, see? Not sure where you got that from... Anyway. Each discission would be assigned a single subject, and we would avoid disagreements on what the discussion "actually" is about. There may be other interpretations on the question, but let's use a version that we could at least in theory go and measure the right answer to.

So with that formulation, I think "TV" (possibly even "game of thrones" ) and "love" both would score higher than religion or money. Let's not overestimate how profound discussions purple usually have.
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
April 20 2015 12:17 GMT
#4589
On April 20 2015 21:09 MoltkeWarding wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2015 20:38 ThomasjServo wrote:
On April 20 2015 20:35 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On April 20 2015 19:37 ThomasjServo wrote:
Can modern day Italians listen to Italian Opera and understand it clear as day, or is the structure of the language more akin to Shakespeare in that it is theatrical or more antiquated.


Shakespeare is early modern/Modern English.

Old English (800's)
Middle English (1200's)
Early Modern (1600's)
Present day (2000's)

Shakespeare looked at Chaucer's language and treated it like we treat Shakespeare's.


I would imagine there would have to be similar things for Italian, I've just been on an Opera kick of late and was curious. Couldn't turn anything up in an old text book I have or via Quick google. Then again, now that it isn't before 6 am here and I am 4 cups of coffee deep, most Opera would have been early modern or later in the English, linguistic timeline you cited.


So I suppose it can't be so different by extension.


May I ask which pieces you are watching? By far the most commercially prevalent composers in the world are Verdi and Puccini. Both wrote in the 19th/early 20th centuries, and are easily comprehensible to Italians today. Of the two, Puccini seems to speak to us in a more emotionally pure and transparent language, to the extent that his Operas are a great launching pad for learning both the uses and virtues of Italian.

Shakespearean English is a very eccentric form of early-modern English; effusive metaphorical conceits, mixed with a heavy dose of Latin grammar and imaginative phrasal juxtapositions colour the more quotable portions of his verse, but we are wont to remember that Shakespeare was not Moliere; he wrote in both the language of court and the language of the gutter. There are many "Englishes" in Shakespeare, and he is effective at differentiating his characters through diction.

Mainly Carmen and Pagliacci, should have looked up years before posting but it was early. Makes enough sense, I assumed certain poetic liberties would be taken lyrically
VelJa
Profile Joined October 2011
France1109 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-20 12:40:16
April 20 2015 12:39 GMT
#4590
Do you -sometimes- feel like you want/need to fight?

Let me explain.
We all encounter in a week some little situation where you are frustrated.

Example:
When you drive and a fucking cyclist block you
When u wait at the maul that the retard just before you takes an eternity to pay
When ur girl is yelling at you for no fucking reason
etc etc

And u did nothing. Cuz u are well educated and calm. But...

Sometimes I feel it's just too much to keep. I dream about punch in the face the fucking cyclist, yelling on this retard who takes 2hours to pay and bag his stuff or tell my girl to let me alone that's not my fucking problem.

So I replace fighting by playing football or running. But dude come on ... I really need to fight someone. That's a little bit difficult to explain, and my English is really bad but ... did someone feel the same as me ?

PS : 1ST RULE : DO NOT TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB.
ANGRY_KOREA_MAN. -- Giff WC4 plz
fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
April 20 2015 13:30 GMT
#4591
I cycle a lot, and seeing the shit some twats pull just boggles my mind. ETA for you receiving The Darwin award - 2 years top. And the fuckwits flood out in summer. Running red lights, going up the inside of a fucking 5000 ton articulated lorry who's indicating to turn left. Man, just Jesus Christ.

Car drivers though are far more guilty than most cyclist (nice generalisation there). They just don't look, fucking about with their radio, earphones in, messing about on mobiles. Mini cabs are the worst. Black Cabs (licensed mini cabs) Just pull a 180 with no warning, central London is a nightmare 'cos of them. Bus drivers are pretty dorky too.

I got my bike security marked as a free Police initiative few months back. They also had a lorry parked up and allowed you to sit in the drivers seat and another copper would walk round the lorry. And it's shocking how little they can actually see. Both my parents were driving instructors - I've had a full clean bike & car license since I was 18 so like to think I am well schooled in driving etiquette - so always knew that lorries and buses couldn't see shit. But until you actually see just how little they can see...

Fuck car drivers, stop polluting the planet. You assholes.
Ex Zerg learning Terran. A bold move.
VelJa
Profile Joined October 2011
France1109 Posts
April 20 2015 13:48 GMT
#4592
On April 20 2015 22:30 fruity. wrote:
I cycle a lot, and seeing the shit some twats pull just boggles my mind. ETA for you receiving The Darwin award - 2 years top. And the fuckwits flood out in summer. Running red lights, going up the inside of a fucking 5000 ton articulated lorry who's indicating to turn left. Man, just Jesus Christ.

Car drivers though are far more guilty than most cyclist (nice generalisation there). They just don't look, fucking about with their radio, earphones in, messing about on mobiles. Mini cabs are the worst. Black Cabs (licensed mini cabs) Just pull a 180 with no warning, central London is a nightmare 'cos of them. Bus drivers are pretty dorky too.

I got my bike security marked as a free Police initiative few months back. They also had a lorry parked up and allowed you to sit in the drivers seat and another copper would walk round the lorry. And it's shocking how little they can actually see. Both my parents were driving instructors - I've had a full clean bike & car license since I was 18 so like to think I am well schooled in driving etiquette - so always knew that lorries and buses couldn't see shit. But until you actually see just how little they can see...

Fuck car drivers, stop polluting the planet. You assholes.

hello I like a lot what you say
I completely disagree with you

maybe we can schedule a fight between us ? :D :D
ANGRY_KOREA_MAN. -- Giff WC4 plz
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18412 Posts
April 20 2015 14:17 GMT
#4593
On April 20 2015 21:39 VelJa wrote:
Do you -sometimes- feel like you want/need to fight?

Let me explain.
We all encounter in a week some little situation where you are frustrated.

Example:
When you drive and a fucking cyclist block you
When u wait at the maul that the retard just before you takes an eternity to pay
When ur girl is yelling at you for no fucking reason
etc etc

And u did nothing. Cuz u are well educated and calm. But...

Sometimes I feel it's just too much to keep. I dream about punch in the face the fucking cyclist, yelling on this retard who takes 2hours to pay and bag his stuff or tell my girl to let me alone that's not my fucking problem.

So I replace fighting by playing football or running. But dude come on ... I really need to fight someone. That's a little bit difficult to explain, and my English is really bad but ... did someone feel the same as me ?

PS : 1ST RULE : DO NOT TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB.


If you're waiting in the maul aren't you already fighting? Maybe with a bair (u c whut I did ther?) or something equally vicious, but I am not sure where the payment comes in.

Answering the question: I sometimes which my car was like the ones in carmageddon (or death race, or mad max). I want 1 yard long stiletto blades on the front where I can punch a big red button to shoot out and destroy the car (fiat mille) in front of me. And circle saws on the sides that if I am really angry will rip open the car I am overtaking like an overripe melon.

As for the supermarket: it is almost always the cashier here, not the client, that makes shit take forever. And can't be angry with them, because they get paid absolutely nothing to do the most boring work imaginable.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32157 Posts
April 20 2015 14:17 GMT
#4594
On April 17 2015 02:01 riotjune wrote:
Anyone know the exact type of hot dog and bun used in Nathan's hot dog eating contest? All beef?

I'm thinking about participating in this year's qualifiers.

you best blog this

nathans hotdogs owns only sabrett is better

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fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
April 20 2015 14:33 GMT
#4595
On April 20 2015 22:48 VelJa wrote:
maybe we can schedule a fight between us ? :D :D


Mais oui!
Ex Zerg learning Terran. A bold move.
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
April 20 2015 14:39 GMT
#4596
On April 20 2015 21:14 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2015 23:18 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On April 19 2015 22:22 Cascade wrote:
On April 19 2015 07:00 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On April 19 2015 01:50 oGoZenob wrote:
On April 19 2015 01:29 fancyClown wrote:
What is the most debated topic in the world?

probably religions


Money is the most debated thing in th world.

Who has too much of it
Who doesn't have enough of it
Who gets funding
Who doesn't get funding
Welfare
Taxes
War
Land

All of it is about money.

It's a bit tricky question, add it depends how you classify it. If you discuss a war, are you actually debating money? Money may be part of the causes and influence the debate, but is it the subject of the debate? I mean, taken to the extreme you could say that the most debated subject is the universe, as any discussion will be about things in the universe. You only shut out string theory from that classification.

Anyway, I think we need to agree on exactly how we can classify debate subjects before we answer that question.


This is like when lawyers require a 300page document describing exactly what fire means right? Sounds perfect for this thread!

I guess it comes down to whether you count what were are arguing about on the surface versus what the impetus of the actually is.

For example, most wars are fought over a lack of resources which usually becomes triggered when one or both sides can't afford to just buy those resources from abroad. But when they actually fight they blame superficial things like "belief systems" or "immigration" or "taxes" etc...

The impetus or the surface topics that the impetus pushed to the surface?

I'm a natural scientist, not lawyer or philosopher, so I try to get to a point that you can actually measure to be right or wrong, the briefer the better. Also for the record I should mention that I don't know what an impetus is.

So I'd suggest a reformulation of the question along the lines of "if you ask random person what they are discussing, what do they reply?". One sentence, not 300 pages, see? Not sure where you got that from... Anyway. Each discission would be assigned a single subject, and we would avoid disagreements on what the discussion "actually" is about. There may be other interpretations on the question, but let's use a version that we could at least in theory go and measure the right answer to.

So with that formulation, I think "TV" (possibly even "game of thrones" ) and "love" both would score higher than religion or money. Let's not overestimate how profound discussions purple usually have.


I got that 300 page comment from a lawyer I chatted up at a party. I asked her what about her job she disliked. She said "pretending not to know something basic like "what is fire" and "how would they know its a fire and not, say, smoke from a barbeque"

And then she said they'd have to sit and listen to an expert explain what fire is and have the opposing team write what turned out to be 300 pages explaining what exactly was meant by "I saw a fire."

Using your structure of "what random person overhearing the topic would think" then I would have to pull money out of the equation. Money is usually the core of majority of arguments and conflicts--but usually as the really really deep cause. A couple could be arguing over vacations feeling lame when the actual problem is that they aren't getting raises that match inflation. So on and so forth.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
VelJa
Profile Joined October 2011
France1109 Posts
April 20 2015 14:40 GMT
#4597
On April 20 2015 23:33 fruity. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2015 22:48 VelJa wrote:
maybe we can schedule a fight between us ? :D :D


Mais oui!

ok so I visit London for work in a couple weeks.
ANGRY_KOREA_MAN. -- Giff WC4 plz
fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
April 20 2015 14:45 GMT
#4598
On April 20 2015 23:40 VelJa wrote:
ok so I visit London for work in a couple weeks.


Well shit, I'm errr doing stuff that week Oh well it's the thought that counts hey
Ex Zerg learning Terran. A bold move.
Mjolnir
Profile Joined January 2009
912 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-20 14:57:14
April 20 2015 14:55 GMT
#4599
On April 20 2015 21:39 VelJa wrote:
Do you -sometimes- feel like you want/need to fight?

Let me explain.
We all encounter in a week some little situation where you are frustrated.

Example:
When you drive and a fucking cyclist block you
When u wait at the maul that the retard just before you takes an eternity to pay
When ur girl is yelling at you for no fucking reason
etc etc

And u did nothing. Cuz u are well educated and calm. But...

Sometimes I feel it's just too much to keep. I dream about punch in the face the fucking cyclist, yelling on this retard who takes 2hours to pay and bag his stuff or tell my girl to let me alone that's not my fucking problem.

So I replace fighting by playing football or running. But dude come on ... I really need to fight someone. That's a little bit difficult to explain, and my English is really bad but ... did someone feel the same as me ?

PS : 1ST RULE : DO NOT TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB.


Being frustrated is one thing. Wanting to beat someone up because they inadvertently caused you a minor hassle is a problem, I'd say. Especially when you follow it up with:

But dude come on ... I really need to fight someone.


No, you don't. You just want to. I'll go out on a limb and say you want to because you've never really done it before - or if you have, it was an extremely minor altercation.

I've trained in Muay Thai for 15 years and BJJ for about 8. I have seen some hard, hard, hard fighters, and you know what? None of them want to just go out and beat someone up because they're slow in line at the grocery store. They're actually the calmest, most reasonable people I know; and that's because they know a) fighting comes at a cost to both parties - engaging with a stranger is unnecessary risk, and b) they have the confidence and assuredness to roll with whatever life throws at them.

I get that you're frustrated - we all get frustrated from time to time; but playing out some tough-guy fantasy in your head, to the point where you want to hurt someone, is not healthy. It implies (to me at least) that there are other issues in your life that are causing you to feel like you have limited control over your life and it's manifesting as this odd hyper-aggressive fantasy - which, interestingly (and thankfully) you are not acting upon.

TL:DR - While I'm sure others have experienced what you have, I wouldn't say it's healthy or the norm. Most reasonable and content people don't fantasize about punching their gf in the face because she's angry, or beating up a stranger because they took too long in line at the mall. Seriously.

waffelz
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Germany711 Posts
April 20 2015 16:57 GMT
#4600
...propably the wrong forum to ask this but:

cake made of sponge mixture with strawberrys - would a layer of strawberry jam between the actual strawberrys and the bottom be to much? I need this cake to be red... for reasons. The glaze that goes on top just didnt cut it properly. I have almost no experience in terms of baking and therefore arent sure. Also I lack the time to do another prototype. Already made one, wasnt red enough at all. Gogo teamliquid bakers (not you stoners, fuck off!)/grannys
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