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Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
July 11 2014 11:03 GMT
#2321
On July 11 2014 19:33 Encdalf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 17:58 zlefin wrote:
How come I always face Worthy Opponents in hearthstone? A lot of those other guys sound way more interesting.

Because Blizzard nowadays is about getting your money and not making awesome games.

hearthstone is a pretty awesome game.
the new moba is also pretty good
making money and good games can be corelative you know
This is our town, scrub
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
July 11 2014 13:20 GMT
#2322
so like, vampires ... (think true blood cheesy ones)
what happens when they fly into the outer space?.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
July 11 2014 13:40 GMT
#2323
On July 11 2014 22:20 xM(Z wrote:
so like, vampires ... (think true blood cheesy ones)
what happens when they fly into the outer space?.

they die in a horrible way
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11786 Posts
July 11 2014 13:46 GMT
#2324
Hm, vampires have certain limitations that other people do not. The most relevant one would obviously be sunlight. It must have to do something with the intensity, as they do not have any problem with starlight. Which means that if they get far enough away from the sun, they don't have a problem. If not, they can not leave their spacecraft for whatever reason, and should probably avoid building windows.

Next would be the food supply. If they can live off of blood conserves, this is no more a problem than the food supply of any living human being sent into space. If not, the logistics become unmanageable pretty quickly because you would need at least 10 human astronauts for each vampire, and they wouldn't be in a good shape to do anything due to the constant blood drain. Which would mean sending vampires into space would be a lot more complicated than sending humans.

I am not quite certain if vampires need air or not, if they do not, this would make them superior astronauts to humans who need air refreshment systems. Even if they need a pressurized atmosphere, not needing a constant supply of fresh oxygen is a major advantage of vampires. If they do need oxygen, once again they are pretty much the same as humans in that regard. If they do not even need pressure, they would obviously have an even bigger advantage over humans.

The other restrictions are probably not very relevant. There is not a lot of stuff in space except what you take with you, so neither garlic nor crosses should be relevant in any way.

The "not entering unless invited" thing is obviously irrelevant too. Crossing flowing water depends on how strict the definitions are. Because strictly speaking in the rotating reference system of earth, a vampire in space crosses flowing water pretty much nonstop. But if we assume that there needs to be some distance requirement for this, you only need to pick your launching point carefully.
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
July 11 2014 14:11 GMT
#2325
On July 11 2014 20:03 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 19:33 Encdalf wrote:
On July 11 2014 17:58 zlefin wrote:
How come I always face Worthy Opponents in hearthstone? A lot of those other guys sound way more interesting.

Because Blizzard nowadays is about getting your money and not making awesome games.

hearthstone is a pretty awesome game.
the new moba is also pretty good
making money and good games can be corelative you know


Hearthstone I'll give a pass because it's just not my type of game but the new moba game I found to be very boring. I can sort of see the potential to have fun playing with a full stack of friends, but with 4 randoms the game is torture.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
July 11 2014 15:35 GMT
#2326
On July 11 2014 22:46 Simberto wrote:
Hm, vampires have certain limitations that other people do not. The most relevant one would obviously be sunlight. It must have to do something with the intensity, as they do not have any problem with starlight. Which means that if they get far enough away from the sun, they don't have a problem. If not, they can not leave their spacecraft for whatever reason, and should probably avoid building windows.

Next would be the food supply. If they can live off of blood conserves, this is no more a problem than the food supply of any living human being sent into space. If not, the logistics become unmanageable pretty quickly because you would need at least 10 human astronauts for each vampire, and they wouldn't be in a good shape to do anything due to the constant blood drain. Which would mean sending vampires into space would be a lot more complicated than sending humans.

I am not quite certain if vampires need air or not, if they do not, this would make them superior astronauts to humans who need air refreshment systems. Even if they need a pressurized atmosphere, not needing a constant supply of fresh oxygen is a major advantage of vampires. If they do need oxygen, once again they are pretty much the same as humans in that regard. If they do not even need pressure, they would obviously have an even bigger advantage over humans.

The other restrictions are probably not very relevant. There is not a lot of stuff in space except what you take with you, so neither garlic nor crosses should be relevant in any way.

The "not entering unless invited" thing is obviously irrelevant too. Crossing flowing water depends on how strict the definitions are. Because strictly speaking in the rotating reference system of earth, a vampire in space crosses flowing water pretty much nonstop. But if we assume that there needs to be some distance requirement for this, you only need to pick your launching point carefully.

- they could "duck and cover" after stars/planets/moons
- really old vampires could 'live' without food for years without problems. we get 3 - 4 of them, slingshot them into orbit and have them repair MIR or something.
- they wouldn't really need the pressure since they're 3454654 times stronger than humans. they should be able to keep their shit together ...
about air, i don't know. some vamps were buried alive and centuries later, after a summary unburying, were looking just a little dried out.

would they be faster than probes like Voyager i, ii?. would the vacuum from space make them faster?.

@Makro: nope. the space doesn't shoot them with silver bullets nor wooden spikes.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11786 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-11 16:00:50
July 11 2014 15:51 GMT
#2327
Why should the Vacuum make them faster? Unless air resistance is significantly slowing them down (Which would mean they are either absurdly fast or very, very light), this should not be a relevant factor for their maneuverability on their own.

You can not "duck and cover" from planet to moon and get anyplace relevant. There are simply not enough planets and moons in space, and maintaining a trajectory that keeps you behind those would require absurd amounts of acceleration, and thus energy. This is not something that is practically feasable in any way.

The whole pressure thing is not really clearly defined, since classic vampire mythology tends to not mention space journeys or vacuum at all. Physical strength is not relevant to this, since strength and pressure resistance are two totally different properties.

And regarding air, again the question is not even necessarily whether they need it to survive or not, but whether they need it to be active. Because if they do and you don't supply them with it, you might as well just send a lump of wood into space instead.

And no, a probe containing a vampire is obviously slower than the same probe not containing a vampire. Or, more importantly, it just has a lot less Delta-V, because i space you have a lot of time to accelerate, so usually the main thing you are interested in is the amount of total acceleration you can achieve with the fuel on board, the more of which you have, the more different missions you can achieve with that vehicle. So unless a vampire is for some reason more effective at some task than robotics designed for that task per pound, a mission involving an automated drone will be more effective than one involving a vampire. The only task i can imagine where that might be possible is something involving construction and accurate manipulation of some objects. Maybe even raw physical strength. But for your standard observational mission, an automated drone is greatly superior to a vampire-controlled mission.

Edit: For example, the voyager probes have 105 kg of scientific instruments on board, out of their 773kg total. The rest are engines, energy, communication, etc. So even if we assume that the vampire does not need any supplies whatsoever (very doubtful given their usual tendency to fall into bloodlust), you would have to basically double the size of that ship just to attach a vampire to it. Or replace most of the scientific instruments with vampire, which would make it unable to perform the mission it was designed for since instead of spectrometers, you have a vampire. And the vampire doesn't really do anything useful on that mission.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
July 11 2014 16:07 GMT
#2328
What about a sweet space suit that can resist the atmosphere and UV light. Then the vampire goes up and upgrades a satellite and gets home for diner.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
urboss
Profile Joined September 2013
Austria1223 Posts
July 11 2014 16:13 GMT
#2329
There is a novel called The Space Vampires and a movie based on that.
Then there is also this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0192669/
Probably worth looking into.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11786 Posts
July 11 2014 16:16 GMT
#2330
On July 12 2014 01:07 ComaDose wrote:
What about a sweet space suit that can resist the atmosphere and UV light. Then the vampire goes up and upgrades a satellite and gets home for diner.


Probably not, going up is expensive. Probably cheaper to send a new satellite than to fix the old one. However, for any mission where you would send a human, a vampire is probably at least as good as long as he can suffice of blood conserves, and significantly better if he can do without oxygen, pressure or food for some period of time.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
July 11 2014 16:30 GMT
#2331
On July 12 2014 00:51 Simberto wrote:
Why should the Vacuum make them faster? Unless air resistance is significantly slowing them down (Which would mean they are either absurdly fast or very, very light), this should not be a relevant factor for their maneuverability on their own.

You can not "duck and cover" from planet to moon and get anyplace relevant. There are simply not enough planets and moons in space, and maintaining a trajectory that keeps you behind those would require absurd amounts of acceleration, and thus energy. This is not something that is practically feasable in any way.

The whole pressure thing is not really clearly defined, since classic vampire mythology tends to not mention space journeys or vacuum at all. Physical strength is not relevant to this, since strength and pressure resistance are two totally different properties.

And regarding air, again the question is not even necessarily whether they need it to survive or not, but whether they need it to be active. Because if they do and you don't supply them with it, you might as well just send a lump of wood into space instead.

And no, a probe containing a vampire is obviously slower than the same probe not containing a vampire. Or, more importantly, it just has a lot less Delta-V, because i space you have a lot of time to accelerate, so usually the main thing you are interested in is the amount of total acceleration you can achieve with the fuel on board, the more of which you have, the more different missions you can achieve with that vehicle. So unless a vampire is for some reason more effective at some task than robotics designed for that task per pound, a mission involving an automated drone will be more effective than one involving a vampire. The only task i can imagine where that might be possible is something involving construction and accurate manipulation of some objects. Maybe even raw physical strength. But for your standard observational mission, an automated drone is greatly superior to a vampire-controlled mission.

Edit: For example, the voyager probes have 105 kg of scientific instruments on board, out of their 773kg total. The rest are engines, energy, communication, etc. So even if we assume that the vampire does not need any supplies whatsoever (very doubtful given their usual tendency to fall into bloodlust), you would have to basically double the size of that ship just to attach a vampire to it. Or replace most of the scientific instruments with vampire, which would make it unable to perform the mission it was designed for since instead of spectrometers, you have a vampire. And the vampire doesn't really do anything useful on that mission.

very good points
air resistance, yes. i'm assuming they'd be way faster in a vacuum.
about the pressure: people explode in outer space from a lack of pressure, they don't implode from to much of it. i think vampires power to regenerate their tissues after being harmed has something to do with the incredibly strong biocellular/bio mollecular bonds they have. that would be enough to counteract the effects of missing ~1 bar of pressure?.

you're not suppose to attach a vampire to a probe. you turn the vampire into one. send a maker into space and have their progeny on earth so you can keep tabs on him.

an UV suits sounds like a good addition. need more info on the whole air thing.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
July 11 2014 16:47 GMT
#2332
On July 12 2014 01:16 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2014 01:07 ComaDose wrote:
What about a sweet space suit that can resist the atmosphere and UV light. Then the vampire goes up and upgrades a satellite and gets home for diner.


Probably not, going up is expensive. Probably cheaper to send a new satellite than to fix the old one. However, for any mission where you would send a human, a vampire is probably at least as good as long as he can suffice of blood conserves, and significantly better if he can do without oxygen, pressure or food for some period of time.

no i mean vampires can fly so there is no fuel so its way cheeper
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11786 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-11 17:06:38
July 11 2014 16:51 GMT
#2333
Yeah, but i doubt a vampire can take photos, analyze radio, IR and UV waves, measure the magnetic field, electrons and ions of a variety of different energies and a few other things that i don't completely understand, and send all that information back to earth. Which is what the voyager probes are able to do with that amount of payload.

People don't explode in space.

And as i said, the literature is not very specific as to at what pressures vampires can or can not survive. Thus, this would be something that requires testing. How their regeneration works might or might not be relevant, but this information is definitively not accurate enough to make any conclusions here.

And the reason they do not implode from increased pressure is that water is not very compressable, and you are mostly water. However, high pressure is still problematic for humans. For maybe up to roughly 3-4 bar, you mainly need to take care that you don't increase or decrease the pressure to fast, otherwise you get gases bubbling out in your blood, decompression sickness. If you get to higher pressures, you start to get problems with the toxicity of your air supply. Specifically, nitrogen narcosis and oxygen toxicity become problematic. Not related to vampires in space, but very useful to know if you plan on scubadiving.

On July 12 2014 01:47 ComaDose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2014 01:16 Simberto wrote:
On July 12 2014 01:07 ComaDose wrote:
What about a sweet space suit that can resist the atmosphere and UV light. Then the vampire goes up and upgrades a satellite and gets home for diner.


Probably not, going up is expensive. Probably cheaper to send a new satellite than to fix the old one. However, for any mission where you would send a human, a vampire is probably at least as good as long as he can suffice of blood conserves, and significantly better if he can do without oxygen, pressure or food for some period of time.

no i mean vampires can fly so there is no fuel so its way cheeper


That highly depends on how vampire propulsion works. I doubt it'd work in a vacuum, it is probably just something based on aerodynamics, being really light, or whatever.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
July 11 2014 17:07 GMT
#2334
On July 12 2014 01:51 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2014 01:47 ComaDose wrote:
On July 12 2014 01:16 Simberto wrote:
On July 12 2014 01:07 ComaDose wrote:
What about a sweet space suit that can resist the atmosphere and UV light. Then the vampire goes up and upgrades a satellite and gets home for diner.


Probably not, going up is expensive. Probably cheaper to send a new satellite than to fix the old one. However, for any mission where you would send a human, a vampire is probably at least as good as long as he can suffice of blood conserves, and significantly better if he can do without oxygen, pressure or food for some period of time.

no i mean vampires can fly so there is no fuel so its way cheeper


That highly depends on how vampire propulsion works. I doubt it'd work in a vacuum, it is probably just something based on aerodynamics, being really light, or whatever.

I thought them being able to fly was the biggest advantage, they are not treading air like water or something its blood magic of some sort that probably doesn't require air.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
REDBLUEGREEN
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Germany1904 Posts
July 11 2014 23:20 GMT
#2335
why do burgers in "proper" burger restaurants taste so much worse than fast food burgers?
honestly I am close to puking right now wtf =(
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
July 12 2014 07:43 GMT
#2336
You seem to have bad taste.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11786 Posts
July 12 2014 09:12 GMT
#2337
On July 12 2014 08:20 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
why do burgers in "proper" burger restaurants taste so much worse than fast food burgers?
honestly I am close to puking right now wtf =(


Maybe that wasn't an actual Burger restaurant, but actually a hobo trashcan? Have you considered that you might be on drugs and/or hallucinating?
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 12 2014 09:15 GMT
#2338
How many different restaurants did you sample? The latest consumer reports seems to favor the proper ones over the fast food places by a fair margin; but that's US centric. If you're close to actually puking, then it's probably a result of improperly handled food, and you should contact your health department.
Otherwise, eating food that's prepared much different than your accustomed to is often unpleasant on the taste and in digestion; either much more, or even sometimes much less, grease and such than you're used to. Most fast food places here have lots and lots of grease in them. More information about what you had there in each type of place would be needed to determine.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
July 12 2014 17:00 GMT
#2339
On July 12 2014 08:20 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
why do burgers in "proper" burger restaurants taste so much worse than fast food burgers?
honestly I am close to puking right now wtf =(


Because "Proper" burger restaurants take ground beef, make it into patties, and then cook it with house designed spice mixtures.

Fast Food burgers are produced in factories and sent to fast food kitchens designed to taste the same no matter when its cooked, how overly/undercooked it is, and no matter how old it is afterwards.

It simply shows that you don't actually give a fuck about burgers.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18240 Posts
July 12 2014 17:58 GMT
#2340
On July 13 2014 02:00 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2014 08:20 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
why do burgers in "proper" burger restaurants taste so much worse than fast food burgers?
honestly I am close to puking right now wtf =(


Because "Proper" burger restaurants take ground beef, make it into patties, and then cook it with house designed spice mixtures.

Fast Food burgers are produced in factories and sent to fast food kitchens designed to taste the same no matter when its cooked, how overly/undercooked it is, and no matter how old it is afterwards.

It simply shows that you don't actually give a fuck about burgers.

With the chance of getting a great burger, you also get the chance of getting one made with rancid meat and a horrible combination of spices. You cannot say he has bad taste just because he didn't like one burger, and is wrongly generalizing his experience to all home-made burgers.
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