EPTSuspension, ban or hellban? - Page 2
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StarStruck
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On June 08 2011 20:14 Daigomi wrote: I really dislike the idea of hellbanning. It seems like a cowardly response to bad behaviour with no reasonable chance for users to redeem themselves. One of the reasons we give out temp-bans is to teach users where the line is. It's a strong reprimand which will hopefully lead to improved posting. Even users who get permanently banned are allowed to make a new account after a reasonable period of time has passed. Users who get banned know that they have made a mistake, and will hopefully stop making that mistake. In contrast, users who get hellbanned are not informed that they have been punished. They get excluded from the community without being given an opportunity to improve their posting. If you get hellbanned and ignored, you won't make a new account to improve your posting, you'll simply lose interest and leave. Like I say, it seems really cowardly to me. It's moderating without taking responsibility for your moderator's decisions. I don't like it. That may be right but for someone who actually manages to get hellbanned,those things don't get handed out often and i would imagine that a decent number of bans and 1-2 perma bans(if the mods recognize the IP)were handed out before that.Do you really think that they can improve,or rather,does the community even need them around? I don't think someone who goes that far to get hellbanned deserves another opportunity. | ||
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
On June 08 2011 21:06 Biff The Understudy wrote: It's just very unfair and disrespectful. Yeah, even the worst Trolls deserve basic respect: namely, to be treated openly. You want to ban someone, you tell him. You don't do things behind his back. That's just not the way to treat people, whoever they are. Really immoral, for what I can say. What if somebody is spamming porn on TL, keeps getting permabanned, keeps making new accounts, and uses different IPs every time? There are situations where a "hellban" is the best possible solution. | ||
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Aim Here
Scotland672 Posts
On June 08 2011 21:17 dcemuser wrote: What if somebody is spamming porn on TL, keeps getting permabanned, keeps making new accounts, and uses different IPs every time? There are situations where a "hellban" is the best possible solution. Except that anyone who can get round an IP ban can get round this hellbanning thing too, using the exact same method. Captchas and/or email address verification is the way to deal with the problem of persistent spammers. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7956 Posts
On June 08 2011 21:17 dcemuser wrote: What if somebody is spamming porn on TL, keeps getting permabanned, keeps making new accounts, and uses different IPs every time? There are situations where a "hellban" is the best possible solution. IPban. These people would make new account anyway. Compare the number of people getting banned for normal bad behavior and people who get banned because they spam porn on TL. | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
We could call it Disneyland. (Edit: nowhere did i say it was a GOOD idea, only that it's an amusing one.) | ||
Empyrean
17043 Posts
The only "extra" ban steps I've taken are to modedit out links posted by adbots or modedit out offensive images from malicious users. Beyond that, it's just simple bans. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On June 08 2011 20:29 Aim Here wrote: Well I'll reply to your post, just to set your mind at rest! You're hellbanned too... Must suck. Oh shit! I'm hellbanned too! FUUUUUU | ||
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Rakanishu2
United States475 Posts
On June 08 2011 20:14 Daigomi wrote: I really dislike the idea of hellbanning. It seems like a cowardly response to bad behaviour with no reasonable chance for users to redeem themselves. One of the reasons we give out temp-bans is to teach users where the line is. It's a strong reprimand which will hopefully lead to improved posting. Even users who get permanently banned are allowed to make a new account after a reasonable period of time has passed. Users who get banned know that they have made a mistake, and will hopefully stop making that mistake. In contrast, users who get hellbanned are not informed that they have been punished. They get excluded from the community without being given an opportunity to improve their posting. If you get hellbanned and ignored, you won't make a new account to improve your posting, you'll simply lose interest and leave. Like I say, it seems really cowardly to me. It's moderating without taking responsibility for your moderator's decisions. I don't like it. Obviously this would be in the place of full bans, not temp bans. These are the people that have proven they don't deserve the privilege of posting, and this is an effective way to make the punishment more personal so that they don't continue to shit on other forums in the future. | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
On June 08 2011 21:17 dcemuser wrote: What if somebody is spamming porn on TL, keeps getting permabanned, keeps making new accounts, and uses different IPs every time? There are situations where a "hellban" is the best possible solution. Seeing TDOT getting banned repeatedly is extremely entertaining. A hellban would ruin the fun for us spectators :<. | ||
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RaGe
Belgium9949 Posts
On June 08 2011 21:17 dcemuser wrote: What if somebody is spamming porn on TL, keeps getting permabanned, keeps making new accounts, and uses different IPs every time? There are situations where a "hellban" is the best possible solution. It's already happened. R1CH usually finds a way to deal with it, such as TDOT captchas: ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/R1CH/CAPTCHA.png) | ||
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Empyrean
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Nuttyguy
United Kingdom1526 Posts
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
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Exogelatin
Canada28 Posts
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
On June 09 2011 01:12 Exogelatin wrote: What happens when they try to make a new thread? Couldn't they uncover their hellban just from that? They might just think that nobody thought their thread was important, but the "Views: 0" indicator on most forums does give it away, true. | ||
Daigomi
South Africa4316 Posts
On June 09 2011 00:43 Rakanishu2 wrote: Obviously this would be in the place of full bans, not temp bans. These are the people that have proven they don't deserve the privilege of posting, and this is an effective way to make the punishment more personal so that they don't continue to shit on other forums in the future. Why wouldn't you just permban or even IP ban them then? You mention making the punishment more personal, but the goal of punishment should almost never be to hurt someone. Punishment is there to deter someone from continued law breaking, and failing that, to make them unable to break laws. | ||
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eduh
Portugal63 Posts
no sane person would implement such a feature. | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
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