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Suspension, ban or hellban? - Page 3
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KillerSOS
United States4207 Posts
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Asjo
Denmark664 Posts
On June 08 2011 21:43 Baarn wrote: Hellbanning just creates a sorta underground subforum for users that can't follow guidelines so it's really not that effective of a tool to have them change their posting habits if they can continue to post whatever they like and none of the regular users can see it. I see it more as a reward for bad behavior. No, Baarn, the programming would be that only the hellbanned individual would be able to see his own posts, not all hellbanned individuals. As Biff said, there is no way you could morally defend doing this against anyone. That said, it might be effective in dealing with very persistant spambots (or "human spambots"), where IP-banning won't help (do Teamliquid even IP-ban? I would think that it might cause troubles for users within the same IP pool). | ||
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Gnial
Canada907 Posts
The jig is up! | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On June 09 2011 01:45 Asjo wrote: No, Baarn, the programming would be that only the hellbanned individual would be able to see his own posts, not all hellbanned individuals. As Biff said, there is no way you could morally defend doing this against anyone. That said, it might be effective in dealing with very persistant spambots (or "human spambots"), where IP-banning won't help (do Teamliquid even IP-ban? I would think that it might cause troubles for users within the same IP pool). I was just going along with the OP in that second highlighted paragraph. I dunno about the moral part because once they figure it out you can circumvent it if you want to but it will likely end where you started if you keep behaving inappropriately or try to get some revenge. Even bots can circumvent it once the person in charge of it figures out what is going on. | ||
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Asjo
Denmark664 Posts
On June 09 2011 02:13 Baarn wrote: I was just going along with the OP in that second highlighted paragraph. I dunno about the moral part because once they figure it out you can circumvent it if you want to but it will likely end where you started if you keep behaving inappropriately or try to get some revenge. Even bots can circumvent it once the person in charge of it figures out what is going on. Oh, sorry, you're right. Was reading it with a sleepy eye, so I didn't notice there were two versions. The moral aspect of this is not about whether people can circumvent it - they are not supposed to. It's about how far you can allow yourself in go in fooling other people and wasting their time. They can pour their heart into writing a lot of things that is basically a wasted effort, simply because of your spiteful way to punish them.You could have hellbanned someone who writes about being suicidal, and no one will respond. Apart from that, it's an option that could lead to abuse too easily, just as we've read a scary account of earlier in this thread. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
I like TL does it now. Ban someone from chatting, but they can still read the posts. If you've ever been banned, I'm sure you enjoyed getting constantly "redirected" to Disneyland I know I have... | ||
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Philymaniz
United States177 Posts
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UFO
582 Posts
On June 08 2011 21:06 Biff The Understudy wrote: It's just very unfair and disrespectful. Yeah, even the worst Trolls deserve basic respect: namely, to be treated openly. You want to ban someone, you tell him. You don't do things behind his back. That's just not the way to treat people, whoever they are. Really immoral, for what I can say. Yep. | ||
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UFO
582 Posts
On June 09 2011 02:38 Philymaniz wrote: Greatest idea ever, but probably won't be implemented People like you are blind. You just don`t know what implementing something like this could mean. You certainly do not say such things out of authentic compassion, rather from a judgemental world-view and ego-personality ways of going about the business of life. Community doesn`t need to be kept on a dog-lead, nor is control via fear a solution to the problems that some people think are solved by implementing harsh punishment. | ||
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Kinetik_Inferno
United States1431 Posts
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Kinetik_Inferno
United States1431 Posts
@asjo: Yes, IP bans exist, but very rarely are they used. | ||
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DatBoiRijad
100 Posts
On June 08 2011 20:12 MasterOfChaos wrote: Once users know that such a feature exists they'll simply check if they're posts are visible as a guest(using a different IP obviously). So I'm not sure how useful it is. Schnake: The idea is that they don't notice they're banned and thus make no new account to continue their bad posting. I doubt anyone would go that far out to waste there time lol... | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On June 09 2011 02:51 DatBoiRijad wrote: I doubt anyone would go that far out to waste there time lol... You'd be very very surprised. | ||
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Playguuu
United States926 Posts
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krbz
United States66 Posts
On June 08 2011 21:06 Biff The Understudy wrote: It's just very unfair and disrespectful. Yeah, even the worst Trolls deserve basic respect: namely, to be treated openly. You want to ban someone, you tell him. You don't do things behind his back. That's just not the way to treat people, whoever they are. Really immoral, for what I can say. If you don't give respect, then you deserve none back. Trolling and flame baiting is certainly not in the respect category. | ||
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stevarius
United States1394 Posts
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oBlade
United States6105 Posts
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LaughingTulkas
United States1107 Posts
On June 08 2011 20:14 Penecks wrote: Hm I can't remember the last time one of my posts got a response... I'm already hellbanned! I just want to reply to this just because it's sad. And probably pretty true, unless you are really controversial or famous, most of your posts are probably going to be read and not responded too. Or not read at all. I feel your pain. + Show Spoiler + I guess the other way is to be a really good contributor, but its hard to do that without a good amount of spare time and some good ideas. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
But i would love to see 2 different versions of a controversial thread where the hell banned people are showed/not. Some people deserve this. But the same people could just use a good nuke and IP block and be gone from our threads. Its almost a cruel to do this to some troll that needs people responding to them on the internet to feel good about themselves. The whole knowing they are being punished thing gives some kind of satisfaction to them i think but we are not out to punish them. Just bring peace to where we are. | ||
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