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Bottom line as I see it, switch the genders around and the boys would be doing time, we all know this and is guaranteed, we are far more merciful when it comes to girls doing wrong.
Due to the age and depending where the kids are from of course, sometimes there's very little the law can, or would be willing to do. If you think back to the days of elementary school, fights broke out between kids, but it's never escalated into a matter where the cops showed up on the playground or had to intervene. Highschool naturally is a different story where organized gangs and weapons come into the picture.
In this case a clearly outnumbered and out-muscled kid was surrounded and humiliated, possibly for life. Personally I am disappointed with his mother and I definitely would have pressed charges. When you are faced with something on a record, it makes you swallow the consequences of your actions hard and clear. Being grounded to your room for gang-bullying a boy is hardly punishment and really, the girls can just text each other and giggle out their grounding time communally. If anything it'd even bring them closer together as buddy ol' pals. Seriously can you tell me, that that type of situation would be acceptable?
And what's stopping the girls from upping the ante? Nothing.
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for those people thinking that this is just "a little prank", put yourself in his shoes. What if YOU were the one getting stripped by 3 girls (lets assume these 3 girls are ugly and their faces are covered with creep tumors and other diseases so you people dont get horny off of this), then imagine them posting the video of them stripping you just so everyone, and by everyone i mean EVERYONE ( friends, mom, dog, brothers, relatives, idiots u hate) can see your little 2 inchers. I dont think anyone would be happy with that or call that "a little prank teehee". No, combatex spelling EZ in pylons is a little prank, this kid probably will never be able to trust another girl because everytime he sees one he probably picture this event. This will take years of therapy to cure and i believe these 3 girls should face jail time.
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I'm not justifying the double standard or that girls should get away with bullying boys. I also think that what the girls did was really fucking messed up and I my self will be pissed off for years if that had happened to me.
However the difference between 3 older girls bullying a 11 yr old boy and 3 older boys bullying a 11 yr old girl is basically hormones. A year 11 yr old boy most likely hasn't begun puberty (if this is true for this case) while the 11 yr old girl has. When you're developing mentally any trauma is felt much more worse than when you can better rationalize as an adult. Which is why you shouldn't do things like the uberman sleeping schedule before adulthood as it can seriously fawk you up in the long run.
It's a subjective matter when it comes to whomever will be more traumatized the boy who hasn't begun churning out testosterone or the girl full of estrogen and other female related hormones. However we now that hormones spikes can make people act rather irrational. (which can explain why the girls did something so stupid)
We also know that 14 year old boys have just started puberty and testosterone usually makes them horny as hell. So if they decide to gang-up and strip a girl down, it is inductive reasoning that they may be horny as hell during the act. So being immature testosterone charged boys, their actions on the surface lean more to abuse and rape rather than just plainly being abusive. This is a reason why boys doing this abusive behavior seems on the surface more serious. (although imo a very thin line between the two)
It is much more dangerous for 14 year old boys growing up not being able to control their sexual urges due to the fact of that males for the most part have more testosterone; which encourages growth of bone and muscle, and helps maintain muscle strength. (http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Testerone) This means biologically most men are built stronger than average women. Thus making it more statistically likely that men can successfully rape women more than women successfully raping men (still happens, probably just as bad). From an economical standpoint the marginal benefit of deterring men from being rapists is greater than deterring women from being a rapist because it serves a bigger pie.
Also since the role of the male is to protect females, and females tend to have more empathy or because people acknowledge the hormones involved, this probably explains why people do go bat shit crazy when 3 boys attack a girl and less when 3 girls attack a boy.
I do believe that it is a double standard when girls can get off doing wrong more lightly than boys. It really pisses me off actually. However to simply compare this certain case with "well if boys did it instead..." and completely disregard age, gender and hormones you should be committing the fallacy of Oversimplification.
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But blazing, if 3 guys had done exactly the same thing to a girl, nothing more, nothing less with the girl being a late bloomer who has not experienced puberty yet, they would be facing serious charges. You can assume the guys would do more and that's all fine and dandy, however given the exact same situation the guys would be facing much steeper punishment.
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On June 05 2011 17:32 vetinari wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 17:28 Teton wrote:
And if it was public why didnt someone help out the boy ? What do you think happens when grown men use their muscles against 14 year old girls...
Right.
United States right lololol
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On June 05 2011 18:50 d(O.o)a wrote:
But blazing, if 3 guys had done exactly the same thing to a girl, nothing more, nothing less with the girl being a late bloomer who has not experienced puberty yet, they would be facing serious charges. You can assume the guys would do more and that's all fine and dandy, however given the exact same situation the guys would be facing much steeper punishment.
I'm fine with this. I dont mind girls/guys being treated differently at that age, when it's that sort of crime. I can see how it would be more serious if boys did this sort of thing, because they would most likely do it for a whole other reason, i think most people can see that. While you cant make a law for only one gender i do feel that it was the right choice for the mother not to press charges.
I only have a problem when women rights or whatever speak for equality but then dont want equality on everything. If everyone should be treated exactly equally then dont make exceptions.
On June 05 2011 18:54 Teton wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 17:32 vetinari wrote:On June 05 2011 17:28 Teton wrote:
And if it was public why didnt someone help out the boy ? What do you think happens when grown men use their muscles against 14 year old girls... Right. United States right lololol
United States... where it's a crime to hit 14 year old girls.
Nice post though.
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On June 05 2011 14:46 vetinari wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 14:43 Hakker wrote:
Justice? punishment? they just took the kids clothes off lol
if anything in 5 years he'll look back on how lucky he was.
3 14 year old boys forcibly restrain and remove the clothes of an 11 year old girl, and they go on the sex offenders register. 3 14 year old girls forcibly restrain and remove the clothes of an 11 year old boy, and its a harmless prank that maybe got a little bit out of hand.
On June 05 2011 14:44 DKo wrote:
is the mom serious?
These pretty much sum up my thoughts.
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Boy's mother: surprisingly sensible.
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this is actually stupid, this again shows the stupidity of some americans -.-i dont say that all americans are dumb, but like 50% are :D (jkin)
but the childs mother didnt press charges, but if 3 boys would do this to a girl, they woiuld probablly be put in jail -.-
yup world is getting crazy! what if those girls would take a twig and put it up his ass? that would be just a prank right? but what if a boy would put a twig in girls vagina it would be raping! thats how lame this world is getting!
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3 boys do this to a girl: "rape" "sexual harrasment"
3 girls do it to a boy: "prank"
Sounds legit.
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Here's how I see it
3 people publicly, forcibly and humiliatingly remove the clothing of someone significantly their junior and post it on the internet for the world to see.
Notice how gender wasn't mentioned? That's because it's not fucking relevant. The different physical characteristics should of course be taken into consideration but just as different physical characteristics themselves (but at that age there isn't much difference between the genders). The legal differences should be one person happens to be able to carry children and the other doesn't not she's a woman and he's a man, differences in decisions should be based on physical characteristics not gender.
EDIT: And mental characteristics
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Wow. Nice job mom, way to go crushing any trust between you and your kid.
Let's assume we let what they did slide as a "prank", posting a video online alone should be grounds for legal action. I would've taken them to the farthest extent of the law and then some. Man, ridiculous just ridiculous.
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On June 05 2011 18:46 blazingblue16 wrote:
I'm not justifying the double standard or that girls should get away with bullying boys. I also think that what the girls did was really fucking messed up and I my self will be pissed off for years if that had happened to me.
However the difference between 3 older girls bullying a 11 yr old boy and 3 older boys bullying a 11 yr old girl is basically hormones. A year 11 yr old boy most likely hasn't begun puberty (if this is true for this case) while the 11 yr old girl has. When you're developing mentally any trauma is felt much more worse than when you can better rationalize as an adult. Which is why you shouldn't do things like the uberman sleeping schedule before adulthood as it can seriously fawk you up in the long run.
It's a subjective matter when it comes to whomever will be more traumatized the boy who hasn't begun churning out testosterone or the girl full of estrogen and other female related hormones. However we now that hormones spikes can make people act rather irrational. (which can explain why the girls did something so stupid)
We also know that 14 year old boys have just started puberty and testosterone usually makes them horny as hell. So if they decide to gang-up and strip a girl down, it is inductive reasoning that they may be horny as hell during the act. So being immature testosterone charged boys, their actions on the surface lean more to abuse and rape rather than just plainly being abusive. This is a reason why boys doing this abusive behavior seems on the surface more serious. (although imo a very thin line between the two)
It is much more dangerous for 14 year old boys growing up not being able to control their sexual urges due to the fact of that males for the most part have more testosterone; which encourages growth of bone and muscle, and helps maintain muscle strength. (http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Testerone) This means biologically most men are built stronger than average women. Thus making it more statistically likely that men can successfully rape women more than women successfully raping men (still happens, probably just as bad). From an economical standpoint the marginal benefit of deterring men from being rapists is greater than deterring women from being a rapist because it serves a bigger pie.
Also since the role of the male is to protect females, and females tend to have more empathy or because people acknowledge the hormones involved, this probably explains why people do go bat shit crazy when 3 boys attack a girl and less when 3 girls attack a boy.
I do believe that it is a double standard when girls can get off doing wrong more lightly than boys. It really pisses me off actually. However to simply compare this certain case with "well if boys did it instead..." and completely disregard age, gender and hormones you should be committing the fallacy of Oversimplification.
First: Puberty typically begins,regardless of sex, between 10-13, so saying that the kid "most likely hasn't begun puberty" is completely wrong, and without evidence of him either not going through puberty, or going through it is irrelevant to your point. Second: Saying that "if three boys strip down a girl, it's inductive reasoning that they may be horny as hell during the act"...once again irrelevant, unless of course you're suggesting that Women don't get sexually aroused either, during puberty women can get just as "horny" as men, saying that three older boys doing this to a younger girl would be more damaging to her is also complete nonsense because, as I said above, boys are going through Puberty at about the same time as girls, give or take a year depending on your genes.... So they're both Equally likely to be traumatized from the event.
As for your last point....I feel like you're just saying that 14 year old kids are just a bunch of horny potential rapists because they produce more testosterone and "don't know how to control their sexual urges"....
As for the whole "if this were 3 guys doing this to a girl" thing, of course they'd face a harsher punishment then these girls. Sad but true, it's unfortunate as well that this only happens because female rapists hardly ever get reported, I mean how many of YOU would report being raped by a girl?? it happens a lot more then people would think...I'd write a reference link down or something but too tired and lazy 
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I've always found it amusing that people say that, "A man can't get raped, he can't get hard if he doesn't want sex."
Did you know, that one of the major reasons why many women are too ashamed to report a rape, is because not only did they self-lubricate copiously (aka, became very, very wet), but also quite possibly had the most intense orgasm of their entire life during rape?
(mind you, its highly unlikely because she subconsciously wanted to be raped. It's most likely a mechanism to avoid damage.)
Incidently, I remember in a russia, a woman was arrested after drugging and raping men. She would put elastic bands on the mens penis to restrict blood flow.
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On June 05 2011 19:23 Nanoko wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 18:46 blazingblue16 wrote:
I'm not justifying the double standard or that girls should get away with bullying boys. I also think that what the girls did was really fucking messed up and I my self will be pissed off for years if that had happened to me.
However the difference between 3 older girls bullying a 11 yr old boy and 3 older boys bullying a 11 yr old girl is basically hormones. A year 11 yr old boy most likely hasn't begun puberty (if this is true for this case) while the 11 yr old girl has. When you're developing mentally any trauma is felt much more worse than when you can better rationalize as an adult. Which is why you shouldn't do things like the uberman sleeping schedule before adulthood as it can seriously fawk you up in the long run.
It's a subjective matter when it comes to whomever will be more traumatized the boy who hasn't begun churning out testosterone or the girl full of estrogen and other female related hormones. However we now that hormones spikes can make people act rather irrational. (which can explain why the girls did something so stupid)
We also know that 14 year old boys have just started puberty and testosterone usually makes them horny as hell. So if they decide to gang-up and strip a girl down, it is inductive reasoning that they may be horny as hell during the act. So being immature testosterone charged boys, their actions on the surface lean more to abuse and rape rather than just plainly being abusive. This is a reason why boys doing this abusive behavior seems on the surface more serious. (although imo a very thin line between the two)
It is much more dangerous for 14 year old boys growing up not being able to control their sexual urges due to the fact of that males for the most part have more testosterone; which encourages growth of bone and muscle, and helps maintain muscle strength. (http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Testerone) This means biologically most men are built stronger than average women. Thus making it more statistically likely that men can successfully rape women more than women successfully raping men (still happens, probably just as bad). From an economical standpoint the marginal benefit of deterring men from being rapists is greater than deterring women from being a rapist because it serves a bigger pie.
Also since the role of the male is to protect females, and females tend to have more empathy or because people acknowledge the hormones involved, this probably explains why people do go bat shit crazy when 3 boys attack a girl and less when 3 girls attack a boy.
I do believe that it is a double standard when girls can get off doing wrong more lightly than boys. It really pisses me off actually. However to simply compare this certain case with "well if boys did it instead..." and completely disregard age, gender and hormones you should be committing the fallacy of Oversimplification.
First: Puberty typically begins,regardless of sex, between 10-13, so saying that the kid "most likely hasn't begun puberty" is completely wrong, and without evidence of him either not going through puberty, or going through it is irrelevant to your point. Second: Saying that "if three boys strip down a girl, it's inductive reasoning that they may be horny as hell during the act"...once again irrelevant, unless of course you're suggesting that Women don't get sexually aroused either, during puberty women can get just as "horny" as men, saying that three older boys doing this to a younger girl would be more damaging to her is also complete nonsense because, as I said above, boys are going through Puberty at about the same time as girls, give or take a year depending on your genes.... So they're both Equally likely to be traumatized from the event. As for your last point....I feel like you're just saying that 14 year old kids are just a bunch of horny potential rapists because they produce more testosterone and "don't know how to control their sexual urges".... As for the whole "if this were 3 guys doing this to a girl" thing, of course they'd face a harsher punishment then these girls. Sad but true, it's unfortunate as well that this only happens because female rapists hardly ever get reported, I mean how many of YOU would report being raped by a girl?? it happens a lot more then people would think...I'd write a reference link down or something but too tired and lazy
Yup. I don't know about some of you, but I hit puberty in grade 4. The fact the girl's got off easy can only mean worse shit down the road.
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it is pretty sad when they can get off with like, what was it, misdemeanor assault? like minor charges really.... even if the mom had pressed charges I mean...Video taping of Child nudity=Child Pornography last time i checked? So, so sad.
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Why would anyone need to press charges? If it's a crime and there is obvious proof (video etc) why the need for charges by the mom? Can't just the police enforce the law regardless?
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On June 05 2011 14:50 Sephy69 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 14:46 vetinari wrote:On June 05 2011 14:43 Hakker wrote:
Justice? punishment? they just took the kids clothes off lol
if anything in 5 years he'll look back on how lucky he was.
3 14 year old boys forcibly restrain and remove the clothes of an 11 year old girl, and they go on the sex offenders register. 3 14 year old girls forcibly restrain and remove the clothes of an 11 year old boy, and its a harmless prank that maybe got a little bit out of hand. This is exactly what's wrong with the world -_-
True, I would like to see how a feminist would react to this :D
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