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Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-20 01:58:11
December 20 2013 01:54 GMT
#741
Thanks for the complements, everyone. It felt like it took 5 minutes to write, though it was actually like an hour. It didn't feel like it was that long of a review. I'll contemplate a video, but that might be a bit.


On December 20 2013 09:27 Kaos_StarCraft wrote:
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On December 20 2013 00:50 Ben... wrote:
Had my new bass a full day and a bit. Here's my thoughts so far. For those just tuning in it is a Fender Japan JB62-FL, or in simple terms, a Japanese Fender '62 Jazz Bass with a fretless neck. In Japan, Fender names their models after the closest year that their specifications represent. There is also a 1970s style Jazz Bass, and the pattern holds for other Fender models too.
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Firstly, it sounds absolutely amazing. It was mentioned on TalkBass that you can get a really good Jaco sound out of these things, and that is definitely the case. Even just using a standard volume/tone setup with both pickups it sounds amazing. Much better than my old MIM Jazz V. I put on a set of Rotosound Monel Flatwounds and it is absolutely perfect for what I am looking for. After the Christmas shipping rush I may consider getting a set of Labella tapewounds, but even with the Rotosounds I am quite happy. The pickups are definitely an upgrade from the ones included in MIM Fenders (according to the Fender Japan site they are American Vintage single coils). They have the 60Hz hum when the volume is set such that only one pickup is being used but that is to be expected.

The soft case it came with is significantly heavier than any of the other softcases I've had, let alone the Fender ones, which are usually kinda thin (the USA Fender hard cases are amazing though. I have one for my Strat). I am going to get a hardcase for it though. Probably a tweed one to match the styling.

As far as construction quality, the people who claimed the Japanese domestic market Fenders are as good (or better in some cases) as the US ones are not kidding, this one is easily on par with the US Fenders I've played, and much better than most MIMs outside of the Classic series. I've yet to find a single flaw in it. The neck is amazing, exactly what I expected. Thinner and wider than my Precision but not thin in a way that cramps up my hand, which is what happens when I play Ibanez SR-style basses. They have a nice heavy tint on the neck, which is what I prefer when it comes to vintage-styled basses and guitars. The finish is quite nice though I still have managed to nick it with a screwdriver while adjusting the truss rod(though you would have to have it pointed to in order to see it) because of me being lazy and not taking the neck off to adjust the truss rod, but that isn't a big deal. I bought this to play, not look at. The neck pocket is nice and tight, on par with the one on my USA Strat and much tighter than either of my MIM Fenders. No shimming is required to get good action, also something that had to be done on both my MIMs, so that is nice too. Upon taking it apart and putting it back together I have yet to find anything wrong with it, or any flaws, and I am quite picky about this type of thing. Had it not been stamped Made In Japan on the heel of the neck I would have thought it was an American Fender. The body is made up of 3 pieces of alder. I didn't expect it to be any more than that. I've seen some MIM Fenders and Squiers have bodies made up of many more pieces (which I fine I suppose, but looks bad with this type of finish), but I wasn't worried about that to begin with. Hardware wise, it is fine. One of the tuners needs a bit of oil to get it rolling smoother but other than that they are great. They are not reversed like my Precision so I always mix the two up. It has a vintage style bridge, much like my 50s Precision, but this one seems like it is much heavier. The saddles never move, which is an issue I have with my Precision, so that is nice.

Getting used to fretless has taken a bit but I am getting the hang of it now after playing a whole ton of scales and using a tuner to learn positioning. I still once in a while play it like a fretted bass by accident but usually I catch myself. I'm finding it much easier to play than fretted though, all things considered. Not having to contend with fret noise from the strings hitting the frets and fret buzz makes it so I can focus on playing. There is a slight amount of buzz from the strings vibrating against the fretboard but that is standard for fretless and contributes to the sound. Some things are definitely easier. Weird Jaco-style false harmonics are easier for sure (by this I mean where you hold down a string at one position and lightly touch it at another. In "Portrait of Tracy" you have to hold down the second fret and make a harmonic at the 6th, and at the end hold down the 9th fret and create a harmonic at 13. That kind of thing). The challenge so far is making sure my finger doesn't shift such that it starts playing an out of tune note. That is something that will just take time. It is nice having a Jazz pickup setup as I like playing around where the bridge pickup is, and on a Precision there isn't really anywhere to anchor my thumb if I play around there.

Luckily the intonation was dead on so not much needed to be done for setup other than a quarter turn tightening of the truss rod and a slight lowering of the string saddles. I may tighten the truss rod a little more as there is still a slight bow in it since the neck has finally settled down after getting used to the climate here (cold and very dry). I was worried the cold temperatures the bass would experience in shipping would mess up the neck a bunch (perhaps warp it) but that hasn't been the case. It is dead on straight.

Now I will talk about my experiences with Ishibashi. They did a amazing job. It was certainly a non-standard online shopping experience but everything went super smooth. I emailed out my request for an estimate and got a response within two hours, and had my bass ordered in about 4. With the service, you deal with a person through the whole thing rather than using a cart system. They give you a full description of the instrument and everything. Because it is the busy season for overseas orders it took them a couple days to get it shipped, but once it shipped I got it in 3(!) business days (though it did travel over the weekend, so more like 5 actual days, but still that is insane).They shipped it late Thursday, I got it Tuesday. That's faster than most Canada-based orders, let alone American orders. ~9000 miles in 5 days, in which 2 it was in Vancouver for. As you will see in the pictures, the bass was packed to withstand basically anything. It was wrapped in I would guess about 30 square meters of bubble wrap across maybe 6-8 layers, including a layer that was one giant sheet folded over a few times, so. I do have a payment thing I need to get cleared up with them but other than that I have had no issues with them, and much better customer service than I get from most sites. They answered my questions insanely fast whenever I had them. I am using the bubble wrap to wrap by brother's Christmas gift. It will take him 10 minutes to unwrap it.

I would definitely buy from Ishibashi again, and most likely will in the future. The shipping fees (and duty, but there is nothing I can do about that. Would have been the same from the US) were a bit steep (shipping to Canada was about $120 using EMS) so for stuff available locally I would not recommend it in some cases, but for stuff only sold in Japan, it is easily worth it, especially since if you were to sell it you could easily recoup the costs. The U Box (used shop) is a must if you are going the import route. You can get basically anything Fender Japan on it if you are patient, including a lot of insanely cool special run instruments (They also have Edwards, which is ESP's domestic market brand, which is made at the same factory as ESP. You can get an Edwards that is identical to a $2000 ESP for about $1200. They also have a ton of insane domestic market brands that have really neat stuff. There are still a few remaining Jackson Stars guitars, which was Jackson's Japanese domestic brand before they closed the Japan factories. Those are as good as American Jacksons. At one point you could get custom Jackson Stars guitars that were absolutely stunning). My Jazz was about $250 off the full price by going through the U Box. Had I bought new it would have been over $1100 shipping and duty included. This way it was about $850 in total after exchange rates took their toll, of which half is being offset by me selling my 7 string Ibanez.

Here's some pictures. They're phone pictures so some of them are a bit blurry. I included some pictures of the shipping stuff for those curious. Also, the hilarious hand drawn signs on the box it was shipped in.

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Blurry image of it when I first was opening the case. It was quite cold still at this point (it was -20 out the day it was delivered) so fingerprints were especially visible:
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No frets! There was basically no wear on the fretboard. I would suspect that this bass had less than 15 hours of play on it. Or the person had a very light touch. No signs of strings digging in at all, which can be an issue on unfinished fretless boards like this. Though due to the nature of fretless you don't really need to do bends since you can do violin-style vibrato to achieve the same thing so that may be why there are no signs of strings digging in.
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Case candy. I didn't expect there to be any. I knew these came with a pickguard included new, but I didn't expect to get one so this was a pleasant surprise. The person who came up with this model was smart. They knew a lot of people who bought this bass would want it to have no pickguard so they made it optional and simply included it. The rest of the hardware for the pickguard was in the bag.
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Now for some shots of the goofy packaging:
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There were way more but they were all partially covered with shipping info. One was big coloured in block letters. There were also like 10 up arrows drawn on it.

I seriously had to remove two layers just to see that it indeed was a bass. So much bubble wrap
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There it is after about 8 minutes of unwrapping. I read that it takes about 15 minutes to unpack a guitar shipped by Ishibashi. I thought it was a joke but they were right. It took a long time. But that is fine with me.
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So yeah, that's about it. I was quite nervous about this whole thing as it almost seemed too good to be true, but it wasn't. It was perfect in every way. The bass is perfect. The shopping experience was perfect. Even my luck with shipping went as well as it could as it didn't get stuck in customs for more than a couple hours. The whole experience was kinda expensive but it was so worth it.

Now I just need to get another wall hanger. All mine are full right now.


Thank you Ben for your detailed review of your customer experiences with Ishibashi. This has increased my confidence so much so that I am seriously considering doing business with them next year. Guitars (and everything else) in Australia are disgustingly overpriced, let me give some examples:

American Standard Stratocaster:
USA $1,679
AU $2,299

Gibson Les Paul Standard
USA $2,999
AU $4,499 fucking seriously?

Even guitar strings in shops are $11, I've seen them as high as $24.95 (yes, for a single set). Yet on ebay they are $5.95. I could keep going but I'm sure you guys get the idea and that's why all my instrument & equipment purchases are now done over in internet.




I have read very good things with regards to them and dealing with Australians. Shipping is super fast from what I remember. Probably at least a bit cheaper than shipping to North America, though it is tough to say.

Prices are much higher in Canada, but not that high. Things are usually a couple hundred more than the US. What you have for pricing is downright extortion. We suffer a similar issue where our prices were higher than American prices for a while because our dollar was much weaker, but now it is nearly par and we still pay more. From what I remember the case is the same for Australia.

They have a lot of used US Fenders and Gibsons on their used site if that is what you are looking for.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
mindjames
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Israel322 Posts
December 20 2013 14:19 GMT
#742
I always buy strings through ebay, in 3-packs. I save up to 50% that way. And I live soooo fucking far away from anyone who ships them.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25245 Posts
December 21 2013 04:14 GMT
#743


Me mucking around about a year ago with a PRS Akerfeldt custom on various original riffs. Sorely tempted with going full out and getting a PRS Custom 24

I was thinking of a Musicman 7, but tbh I don't use the extended range enough. My brother just went up to his 8 string RG model and I have his old Agile 7 which is a full neck-through. Might replace the pickups at some stage, any ideas?

It's pretty solid, neck-through and all. Last time I got my hands on it.


'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
renoB
Profile Joined June 2012
United States170 Posts
December 24 2013 14:14 GMT
#744
So as some of you may know, I'm in Japan at the moment. I just discovered the ESP store is the city I'm going to on friday. I'm pretty psyched to play one


Grats on the new bass, Ben.
renoB
Profile Joined June 2012
United States170 Posts
December 25 2013 16:13 GMT
#745
Sorry for double post, but I forgot to ask. Is anyone familiar with buying a guitar in Japan and shipping it to the states? It seems like getting a hardcase might be difficult.

Anyone know what a good price for an MIJ strat as well? I saw one for the equivalent of $276 and I'm pretty sure that's a damn good price. I'm going to Ochanomizu on friday though, and there's a bunch of guitar stores there so I'm going to shop around before I commit to anything. Also if any of you guys have been or know of cool places in Japan for guitars, let me know, I've got about a week left here in Tokyo.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
December 25 2013 17:16 GMT
#746
I'm not familiar with US/Japan, but i bought my Gibson in the States and brought it back to Europe easily. They let me carry the guitar on the plan as hand luggage without any issue.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25245 Posts
December 26 2013 14:16 GMT
#747
Mid-mixing our BW theme btw, merry Christmas all!
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Mb79584
Profile Joined December 2013
United States164 Posts
December 26 2013 14:24 GMT
#748
On December 26 2013 23:16 Wombat_NI wrote:
Mid-mixing our BW theme btw, merry Christmas all!

Merry christmas
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25245 Posts
December 29 2013 03:22 GMT
#749
PRS SE models, so tempted to get one, anyone got any experience with this?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
LeperKahn
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Romania1839 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-29 06:17:29
December 29 2013 06:16 GMT
#750
On December 29 2013 12:22 Wombat_NI wrote:
PRS SE models, so tempted to get one, anyone got any experience with this?


My sister has one. I played it for a good 3 months while she was away.

I played the http://www.prsguitars.com/sesoapbar/

There is now a version 2. I've never played soap bar 2.



It was pretty great. They feel great and are made well. All of the parts feel solid. Its worth noting that all the PRS guitars are small and light. (Which can be good or bad depending on preferences.) I highly recommend them. PRS SE feel like they are higher quality than 90% of guitars in that price range.

That being said I decided against buying one. I liked a Reverend model better. PRS guitars have a 25" scale length. (This is non-standard.)
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
December 29 2013 09:18 GMT
#751
Les Pauls > PRS

Let the flaming wars begin :D
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
renoB
Profile Joined June 2012
United States170 Posts
December 30 2013 14:00 GMT
#752
So I didn't end up buying a guitar... but holy crap, Ochanomizu is guitar buyers heaven. It's just a block full of guitar stores, which are filled with the highest end guitars you can find. I've never seen so many PRS' in one place, even the golden eagle ones. The ESP customs were gorgeous, and just about every shop had a fender floor and a gibson floor.

I spent just about 4 hours there looking and playing guitars. I came really close to dropping some money for this gorgeous used japanese schecter with a pink quilted maple top, ash body and maple neck. There was so many high quality guitars there for such great prices. It makes me so upset we don't have more of a market for japanese guitars in the US. The biggest shock for me was the edwards guitars, which are the cheaper ESP model that are also made in japan. Holy crap are those amazing guitars.

(oh and just to feed the flames... Carvin>PRS )
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
January 01 2014 02:57 GMT
#753
Ordered a set of La Bella tapewound strings for my fretless. Will put my set of Rotosounds on my P-bass. I was pondering getting tapewounds anyway but with this setup it makes way more sense. I have had roundwounds on my Precision for a few months now and in that time I have remembered why I hate roundwounds. I used flats exclusively for the entirety of the time I was in a jazz band back 5 years ago.

A bonus of tapewounds is that they are much less abrasive on fretboards, which is great for fretted because they don't wear the frets out nearly as much. For fretless, they are even better because they barely do any wear on the fingerboard. Plus they sound closer to that of a double bass, which is what I want. The ones I ordered are black so they will look kinda funky, but that's fine.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25245 Posts
January 01 2014 08:24 GMT
#754
Carvin were a brand I looked into back in the day actually (Jason Becker fanboy that I am), the price differential for us Euros is a bit of a deal breaker though
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25245 Posts
January 01 2014 08:25 GMT
#755
Also why in the name of god are Vigiers not more popular? A now defunct local dealer had the occasional Excalibur, best guitar I've ever played by a decent margin
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
January 02 2014 19:55 GMT
#756
On January 01 2014 17:24 Wombat_NI wrote:
Carvin were a brand I looked into back in the day actually (Jason Becker fanboy that I am), the price differential for us Euros is a bit of a deal breaker though

Same. A $1000 guitar became a $1400 after shipping and duty to Canada. I had one priced out and everything.

My dad and I are going to take apart my old Peavey bass amp head and see how tricky it is to replace the power cord. It is from the 80s so the cord isn't removable like on most new amps. The cord has the ground ripped out of it and is frayed at one point so if it is an easy swap I will definitely do it. I know it is possible. I hope it works. I really liked the amp when I used it. Until it started shocking me that is. It has a full EQ and a few actual useful sound modifiers on it (compression stuff, really handy for bass) and it sounded quite good. If it isn't fixable by us I'll sell it or give it away and get a combo. I really do hope it can be fixed though.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
renoB
Profile Joined June 2012
United States170 Posts
January 02 2014 23:05 GMT
#757
On January 03 2014 04:55 Ben... wrote:
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On January 01 2014 17:24 Wombat_NI wrote:
Carvin were a brand I looked into back in the day actually (Jason Becker fanboy that I am), the price differential for us Euros is a bit of a deal breaker though

Same. A $1000 guitar became a $1400 after shipping and duty to Canada. I had one priced out and everything.

It's way more to buy in europe because you have to buy through a dealer, so they usually start at $1000 more than if you were buying in the US. I was reading on SSO that they just changed their shipping rate to Canada because they were losing money before. So people have been getting them shipped to the north-most US UPS places and driving across the border to pick them up. Kind of unfortunate

After playing all the guitars in Japan, I got home and played my Carvin and I was just baffled at how great of a guitar it is. I can't wait to jam this weekend... I miss my amp... it's at my bandmate's house.
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
January 03 2014 00:14 GMT
#758
On January 03 2014 08:05 renoB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2014 04:55 Ben... wrote:
On January 01 2014 17:24 Wombat_NI wrote:
Carvin were a brand I looked into back in the day actually (Jason Becker fanboy that I am), the price differential for us Euros is a bit of a deal breaker though

Same. A $1000 guitar became a $1400 after shipping and duty to Canada. I had one priced out and everything.

It's way more to buy in europe because you have to buy through a dealer, so they usually start at $1000 more than if you were buying in the US. I was reading on SSO that they just changed their shipping rate to Canada because they were losing money before. So people have been getting them shipped to the north-most US UPS places and driving across the border to pick them up. Kind of unfortunate

After playing all the guitars in Japan, I got home and played my Carvin and I was just baffled at how great of a guitar it is. I can't wait to jam this weekend... I miss my amp... it's at my bandmate's house.


Oh right, I totally forgot about the insane dealership business when it came to ordering Carvin to Europe. I remember reading about that years ago.

Yeah, their shipping is pretty steep now. Even to ship an amp head to Canada was far more than I was comfortable with.

But then again, all guitar-related shipping prices seem crazy to me now after Ishibashi sent me a bass across the world, fully insured, crazy fast for cheaper than most NA-based establishments can.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
renoB
Profile Joined June 2012
United States170 Posts
January 03 2014 00:32 GMT
#759
I actually went into Ishibashi in Ochanomizu. Granted I can't recall which store it was... they're all pretty similar. After hearing your story, it might be worth it to order guitars from Japan. Those Edwards guitars were way cool, they're like the ltd's of Japan, they were everywhere and they rocked. The schecter's there were way cool too. Good looking and they played incredibly.
rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
January 03 2014 02:54 GMT
#760
When it comes to internet/video lessons what teacher/course would you guys recommend for a 2-months beginner ? Paid and Free.
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