EPTThe 10000 rule. The way to mastery - Page 3
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
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DisneylandSC
Netherlands435 Posts
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
Goal: achieving a made up level of skill, called mastery, which equals to ... well.. being pretty damn good. Better than a layman, better than an amateur, and better than most professionals in the same field. How to achieve it: 1) have the required amount of talent 2) work more than most people will... 10K hours should be enough | ||
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ionize
Ireland399 Posts
@Prodegees and idols like Jordan, Mozart and the like: We should consider their fail ratio as well. I would love to know how many times Michael Jordan failed in his career before he was where he is now. | ||
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Rising_Phoenix
United States370 Posts
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Ethic
Canada439 Posts
I find this hard to believe. | ||
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Munk-E
United States672 Posts
I mean BW players are generally better than new players, signifying a head start, same with WC3. However, I don't think it's a 1-1 ratio or anything near that. | ||
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chenchen
United States1136 Posts
On April 09 2011 03:27 Ethic wrote: That's almost 3 and a half years playing 8 solid hours a day every day of the year. I find this hard to believe. Lots of people practiced harder than what you described in BW and still were met with no success after five or six years. | ||
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
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shinkuu
United States5 Posts
On April 09 2011 01:34 Leviwtf wrote: This has been discussed to death, search the word "talent" to find the discussions. I would believe this rule except its not just 10,000 raw hours practicing, its 10,000 hours of "deliberate practice" there is a huge difference between the two. Google deliberate practice to see what it is. Think of all the people that are driving cars and how many hours they have put into it. The local 12 year old go karter is a better driver than most people on the road. | ||
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Vapaach
Finland994 Posts
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Runnin
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gongryong
Korea (South)1430 Posts
Some media sponsored american express digestible information scheme. In short, if you want something done, just do it :p | ||
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StarStruck
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Deadlyhazard
United States1177 Posts
But it means nothing unless you take the proper procedures to learn your craft. For example, with art (drawing/painting), you can't just draw from your head for 10,000 hours and expect to make anything recognizable. It takes years of studying books, being taught (self-taught or not), and gaining knowledge from things discovered over the centuries of history (such as perspective, or even more obscure things like skyholes in trees being darker than the open sky). It's an enormous amount of information you have to consume on-top of gaining physical dexterity. Then you have to consider talent. Talent is just another word for aptitude. Some will learn faster than others, not everyone is equal. It's quite genetic. In this case, it's the ability to see correctly and to consume the information that's out there and apply it to your artwork. And after that learning, you have to have emotional sensitivity. Something that's probably born in us genetically or modified as we age. Some folk out there just...aren't creative. Probably because they didn't spend their childhood doing much creative craft. As you can see, there is an enormous amount of stuff that factors into the rate at which you can achieve mastery. Some people will never achieve it no matter how many hours they put in. As long as you're seeing progress every few weeks and you're working hard, then you should be fine. So 10,000 hours could be about right for most people. But not everyone. It's not like someone's measured 10,000 hours until they achieved mastery before. http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=114449 Check out this guy. Go from page one to page 30 (after looking at the artwork on both). That's about half a year's worth of progress. Yes, someone made THAT much progress in half a year. You could be that person, or maybe half a year with his intense studying would only get you a fourth of where he's at. He's an example of talent. | ||
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Munk-E
United States672 Posts
On April 09 2011 03:59 Vapaach wrote: So if a game lasts about 7 mins average, that means that you have to play 85714 games to get 10000 hours of gameplay. Holy sheet. If a game lasts 7 minutes each on average, you need to stop cheesing =P I think that that is a bit of a vague expression though, what is defined as "mastery"? | ||
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Kenderson
Canada280 Posts
Putting a number like 10000 hours on it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Did they keep track of somebody who was trying to master something, and then when he hit "mastery" did they stop the clock, and it was at 10000 hours? Did they do this multiple times to test the theory? No. The more time you spend practicing something, the better you will get at it. Calling something like the 10000 hour thing a "rule" is stupid. | ||
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Ivs
Australia139 Posts
The whole thing is silly, basically the idea is, to be the best at something, you need to spend a significant portion of your life devoted to it. If you have talent, you'll get there quicker. 10000 or 9999 or 20000 is just a number. | ||
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Khul Sadukar
Australia1735 Posts
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DragonDefonce
United States790 Posts
Yep, seems about right. | ||
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