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On March 19 2018 22:43 GreenHorizons wrote:My grasp of the details on this are limited but am I gathering correctly that US sponsored militants claimed a terrorist attack inside/against a NATO ally country? Or at least that's what is being reported?
Na, don't worry its just some random pro turk accounts spreading propaganda, wait for better sources if they even exist.
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no, only some globalist westerners believe ypg is not pkk. even marines like @mena_conflict confirm that they are the same. ypg fighters say they are the same, iran says
they’re the same, iraqi kurds even admit ypg is tied to pkk, I link you former ypg member exposing the truth, I link you US officials admitting it, there are ocalan photos all over raqqa and afrin, it’s like hanging baghdadi pictures everywhere and say Im not isis, but you only give me “only turks believe it” sentence as an answer. you can’t prove they’re different. you literally CAN’T. we have seen female suicide bombers in turkey who had been trained in syrian ypg camps. we have seen nato weapons on pkk’s hands, there’s even a picture of a pkk general next to american one, what else you need, pro kurdish well known journo’s tweet is there too. I don’t write answers to self repeating people. prove yourself, please do it. otherwise it’s pointless. we also fought sdf in afrin, and kicked their trained ass. you probably already know that.
about the looting, turkish government made a clear statement, they’re aware, some groups did not obey the rules, stolen properties is being returned at the moment. https://twitter.com/mhmtslmz/status/975828515730939905?s=21
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You know when you say "we also fought SDF in afrin and kicking their trained ass" You should probably try to remember you're pretending that you're from the united states.
Although to be a member of Team liquid is to be as globalist western as you probably can get. Esports is pretty bleeding edge globalist western.
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If I’m not living in a world of lies and frauds I am most of the times from the states in a year, but not an american and proud!
We usually address democrats as globalists, don’t think this forum is all dems, maybe the moderation is liberal. 
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Your not living in a world of lies and frauds. Wat?
You support a "president" that jailed thousands of journalists and teachers. That willfully ended any chance of reconsiliation with the kurds for more personal power. Openly let ISIS use his country as safe retreat....
But let me guess, he is the "strong leader" that will make turkye great again (by taking a giant shit on Atatürks legacy)?
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lastpuritan is as unbiaseda source as the twitter account he linked. I mean, he is openly cheering for the murder/death of people, let's just ignore him and hope that he and the imperialistic and authoritan tendencies of the turkish goverment go away...
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On March 20 2018 14:15 lastpuritan wrote:no, only some globalist westerners believe ypg is not pkk. even marines like @mena_conflict confirm that they are the same. ypg fighters say they are the same, iran says they’re the same, iraqi kurds even admit ypg is tied to pkk, I link you former ypg member exposing the truth, I link you US officials admitting it, there are ocalan photos all over raqqa and afrin, it’s like hanging baghdadi pictures everywhere and say Im not isis, but you only give me “only turks believe it” sentence as an answer. you can’t prove they’re different. you literally CAN’T. we have seen female suicide bombers in turkey who had been trained in syrian ypg camps. we have seen nato weapons on pkk’s hands, there’s even a picture of a pkk general next to american one, what else you need, pro kurdish well known journo’s tweet is there too. I don’t write answers to self repeating people. prove yourself, please do it. otherwise it’s pointless. we also fought sdf in afrin, and kicked their trained ass. you probably already know that. about the looting, turkish government made a clear statement, they’re aware, some groups did not obey the rules, stolen properties is being returned at the moment. https://twitter.com/mhmtslmz/status/975828515730939905?s=21
Ah at least you saw how stupid quoting those twitter accounts looked and ignored the debunking haha
Instead of mean conflict you should visit the reddit for the Syrian Civil War (you probably already do) its full of turks now brigading the posts. For the last 6 years we had several foreign YPG members talking about their experience and no one ever said that YPG was PKK, they have a obvious connection but they are not the same organization.
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I kinda forgot to never engage lastpuritan on this subject again, but he keeps spewing out propaganda like a volcano. How is this ok?
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On March 21 2018 03:37 Velr wrote:
I kinda forgot to never engage lastpuritan on this subject again, but he keeps spewing out propaganda like a volcano. How is this ok?
Its not but at the least its easy to spot and its not malicious yet.
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anything goes against the typical western attitude or ideology is either propaganda or products of a brainwashing in your books, my limited time in this thread showed me that.
but luckily, the world ain't running on your terms, it's just you fooling yourself again and again everything related to middle east and then wondering what went wrong, then find a way to blame it on others, russia, turkey, saudis, iran, china, pakistan, syria...
there's something heavily, heavily wrong with the free world but I can't name it properly. when I was in moscow I was pretty shocked by the propaganda russia runs against the states via media, but then in the states, I found the exact same thing towards russia, that was a shocker as well, but even more disturbing, they were pretty sure that they're on the right side because they have their democracy.
On March 20 2018 22:45 Broetchenholer wrote:
lastpuritan is as unbiaseda source as the twitter account he linked. I mean, he is openly cheering for the murder/death of people, let's just ignore him and hope that he and the imperialistic and authoritan tendencies of the turkish goverment go away...
from my point of view, the biggest dictatorship in this world is the united states. how many times the states denied the resolution for israeli conflict, not giving a single f about the rest of the world? how many wars the states forced coalition to join? how many times it played with world economy in order to benefit itself, how many nations have been sanctioned because they derailed iran sanctions or any other sanctions? how many nations have been destroyed in order to bring democracy or to stop communist influence? how many african politicians were assassinated?
we're under control of the most brutal, most mafia-tic and self thinking entity for decades but you're all focused on erdogan killing some terrorists who helped you in your fight against isis. why is that?
On March 21 2018 00:05 ImFromPortugal wrote:
Ah at least you saw how stupid quoting those twitter accounts looked and ignored the debunking haha
Instead of mean conflict you should visit the reddit for the Syrian Civil War (you probably already do) its full of turks now brigading the posts. For the last 6 years we had several foreign YPG members talking about their experience and no one ever said that YPG was PKK, they have a obvious connection but they are not the same organization.
I stay away from the reddit long as I can. But it made me smile to hear your whole argument about YPG not being PKK is "reddit said so". Ignore the reporters, even the pro kurdish ones, american generals, and photos prove me right, but some leftists on reddit may have a point!
On March 20 2018 19:02 Velr wrote:
Your not living in a world of lies and frauds. Wat?
You support a "president" that jailed thousands of journalists and teachers. That willfully ended any chance of reconsiliation with the kurds for more personal power. Openly let ISIS use his country as safe retreat....
But let me guess, he is the "strong leader" that will make turkye great again (by taking a giant shit on Atatürks legacy)?
Yes we jailed them. Some of those journalists undermined secular turkish army officials for years in order to replace them for a successful coup, many generals were jailed for the crimes they did not commit, those journalists knowingly shared fake evidences in their newspapers, some policemen crafted fake evidences and those journalists were the first ones to hear, publish it before anyone else. The teachers are jailed because they were systematically sending money to Gulen and building hidden rooms under private schools they built, which they planned to use after the coup. You probably never heard any of these except the headlines, Erdo jails... But it's okay, you're not responsible to follow Turkish internal stuff this much, but I expect you to be less arrogant on the subjects you have minimal knowledge. I'm just a citizen, not a judge or intelligence agent, I may be wrong too. Of course there are people Erdogan jailed unjustly and Turkish democracy is not even crawling. But at least I'm willing to admit that, you, on the other hand, pushing what your media tells you as facts.
Apart from that, I don't want Turkey to be great again. I want my nation to be treated equally. The US invades countries continents away, does it for her national security, then Turkey does the same thing in a country it borders, it's genocidal act, it's ethnic cleansing, it's war against the kurds etc etc. By the way, Ataturk was a great leader but a shit politician, he has a part why we suffer all of these conflicts within Turkey. He was like Erdogan, but less religious.
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The world does run according to our terms. We set up those terms after WW2 and no one has the ability to stop us. The USA (and the west to give them some credit) control global trade and invade every nation in the world through our pop music and our fast food restaurants. Slowly but surely the "preferable" way to live becomes the western globalist way to live. It hasn't taken effect in the middle east as much as asia but it certainly has taken root and will flower ever more in the coming decades.
When you're the king of the world you get to act differently then everyone else because you control the world. You can complain about these things but at the end of the day you should be happy turkey still has Istanbul. Theres no really good reason why it still has it if it wasn't benificial to the US to let turkey keep it in exchange with keeping them on the western globalist side of the middle east.
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On March 21 2018 07:51 Sermokala wrote:
The world does run according to our terms. We set up those terms after WW2 and no one has the ability to stop us. The USA (and the west to give them some credit) control global trade and invade every nation in the world through our pop music and our fast food restaurants. Slowly but surely the "preferable" way to live becomes the western globalist way to live. It hasn't taken effect in the middle east as much as asia but it certainly has taken root and will flower ever more in the coming decades.
When you're the king of the world you get to act differently then everyone else because you control the world. You can complain about these things but at the end of the day you should be happy turkey still has Istanbul. Theres no really good reason why it still has it if it wasn't benificial to the US to let turkey keep it in exchange with keeping them on the western globalist side of the middle east.
oh man, why don't you try take it. we have a great history with the ones who claimed it. why not another one. after all, there's no really good reason to be allied with a rogue nation. and, you should be happy that putin and all the other nuclear forces won't sacrifice themselves and take you with them to the nuclear hell they're going after completely wiping your land off the face of the earth. and yes, I know it's unlikely, just as your naive bullying about invading istanbul.
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Really Sermokala? There are lots of very easy arguments to make against the crap lastpuritan is writing, but instead you go with "you should be happy turkey still has Istanbul". Good one. Thereby proving to him that you and him are one and the same in your rabid nationalism and blindness.
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The easy argument is that the US get accused of genocide and war crimes all the time. Literally every day. Often by our own citizens. Welcome to being treated equally on the world stage Turkey. It sucks here, I would recommend going to letting other people fight wars. It seems way easier.
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On March 21 2018 07:19 lastpuritan wrote:anything goes against the typical western attitude or ideology is either propaganda or products of a brainwashing in your books, my limited time in this thread showed me that. but luckily, the world ain't running on your terms, it's just you fooling yourself again and again everything related to middle east and then wondering what went wrong, then find a way to blame it on others, russia, turkey, saudis, iran, china, pakistan, syria... there's something heavily, heavily wrong with the free world but I can't name it properly. when I was in moscow I was pretty shocked by the propaganda russia runs against the states via media, but then in the states, I found the exact same thing towards russia, that was a shocker as well, but even more disturbing, they were pretty sure that they're on the right side because they have their democracy. Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 22:45 Broetchenholer wrote:
lastpuritan is as unbiaseda source as the twitter account he linked. I mean, he is openly cheering for the murder/death of people, let's just ignore him and hope that he and the imperialistic and authoritan tendencies of the turkish goverment go away... from my point of view, the biggest dictatorship in this world is the united states. how many times the states denied the resolution for israeli conflict, not giving a single f about the rest of the world? how many wars the states forced coalition to join? how many times it played with world economy in order to benefit itself, how many nations have been sanctioned because they derailed iran sanctions or any other sanctions? how many nations have been destroyed in order to bring democracy or to stop communist influence? how many african politicians were assassinated? we're under control of the most brutal, most mafia-tic and self thinking entity for decades but you're all focused on erdogan killing some terrorists who helped you in your fight against isis. why is that?
Whatz do i care if the US is bad as well. This is not about the US. It is about Turkey invading a souverain country, killing hundreds of people and then claiming it is a great victory against terrorism when before they had no problem with terrorism in syria. Currently Turkey is on it's way to become the new North Korea, a stupendously militarized dictatorship with the capabilities to actually kill hundreds of thousands of neighbours if it wants to. It's not there yet, but if i see people like you screaming with joy on the killing of kurds and yelling against the US to invade them and see what happens, i know that there are more then enough people in your country that would happily sacrifice themselves and their freedom for the greatness of their country and the death of their enemies. Whoever they are. I also know 4 turks personally who keep me well informed about the political problems inside of turkey and they contrasdict you with every word they say. But yeah, we westerners are all clueless and you are the only one that knows what he is talking and we are just ignorant westerners.
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On March 21 2018 08:22 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Really Sermokala? There are lots of very easy arguments to make against the crap lastpuritan is writing, but instead you go with "you should be happy turkey still has Istanbul". Good one. Thereby proving to him that you and him are one and the same in your rabid nationalism and blindness.
well I mean they should. Russia has been wanting to take it ever sense the turks took it. The only reason why they have it is beacuse it creates a convenient threat to Russia. the whole reason why the cuban missle crisis fizzled out is because we were willing to deal away the nukes we stashed there to launch against the soviets. The greeks wanted it after WW2 but no one went with them despite letting them get occupied by the germans. They don't even declare it their capital anymore beacuse they know people want it so much.
I don't see why pointing out the things we've done to better them is blindness and rabid nationalism. They should be greatful for what the west has done for them.
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Uhm, the russians did not exist when the turks took Constantinople. It did fall in 1453 if i a m not mistaken 500 years is a pretty solid time for considering it your own. If it weren't, the french would lose Gascogne and Normandy, Germany would own Italy and the BeNeLux and the USA had to disband to a confederation of Native American tribes. Giving the Greek Istanbul after WW2 would not have made any sense as well, as Turkey was not defeated, why should it give up anything. The only one of your arguments that, from my limited knowledge, makes some sense, is that Turkey might have fallen into the russian sphere of influence had the west not protected it. But i think that gives too little credit to the military power Turkey has on it's own, i doubt they would have been easy pickings even if the US had not deemed it a worthy military partner. But you could also argue that the US should be grateful that Turkey was defending american interests in the region.
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On March 21 2018 07:19 lastpuritan wrote:anything goes against the typical western attitude or ideology is either propaganda or products of a brainwashing in your books, my limited time in this thread showed me that. but luckily, the world ain't running on your terms, it's just you fooling yourself again and again everything related to middle east and then wondering what went wrong, then find a way to blame it on others, russia, turkey, saudis, iran, china, pakistan, syria... there's something heavily, heavily wrong with the free world but I can't name it properly. when I was in moscow I was pretty shocked by the propaganda russia runs against the states via media, but then in the states, I found the exact same thing towards russia, that was a shocker as well, but even more disturbing, they were pretty sure that they're on the right side because they have their democracy. Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 22:45 Broetchenholer wrote:
lastpuritan is as unbiaseda source as the twitter account he linked. I mean, he is openly cheering for the murder/death of people, let's just ignore him and hope that he and the imperialistic and authoritan tendencies of the turkish goverment go away... from my point of view, the biggest dictatorship in this world is the united states. how many times the states denied the resolution for israeli conflict, not giving a single f about the rest of the world? how many wars the states forced coalition to join? how many times it played with world economy in order to benefit itself, how many nations have been sanctioned because they derailed iran sanctions or any other sanctions? how many nations have been destroyed in order to bring democracy or to stop communist influence? how many african politicians were assassinated? we're under control of the most brutal, most mafia-tic and self thinking entity for decades but you're all focused on erdogan killing some terrorists who helped you in your fight against isis. why is that? Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 00:05 ImFromPortugal wrote:
Ah at least you saw how stupid quoting those twitter accounts looked and ignored the debunking haha
Instead of mean conflict you should visit the reddit for the Syrian Civil War (you probably already do) its full of turks now brigading the posts. For the last 6 years we had several foreign YPG members talking about their experience and no one ever said that YPG was PKK, they have a obvious connection but they are not the same organization. I stay away from the reddit long as I can. But it made me smile to hear your whole argument about YPG not being PKK is "reddit said so". Ignore the reporters, even the pro kurdish ones, american generals, and photos prove me right, but some leftists on reddit may have a point! Show nested quote +On March 20 2018 19:02 Velr wrote:
Your not living in a world of lies and frauds. Wat?
You support a "president" that jailed thousands of journalists and teachers. That willfully ended any chance of reconsiliation with the kurds for more personal power. Openly let ISIS use his country as safe retreat....
But let me guess, he is the "strong leader" that will make turkye great again (by taking a giant shit on Atatürks legacy)? Yes we jailed them. Some of those journalists undermined secular turkish army officials for years in order to replace them for a successful coup, many generals were jailed for the crimes they did not commit, those journalists knowingly shared fake evidences in their newspapers, some policemen crafted fake evidences and those journalists were the first ones to hear, publish it before anyone else. The teachers are jailed because they were systematically sending money to Gulen and building hidden rooms under private schools they built, which they planned to use after the coup. You probably never heard any of these except the headlines, Erdo jails... But it's okay, you're not responsible to follow Turkish internal stuff this much, but I expect you to be less arrogant on the subjects you have minimal knowledge. I'm just a citizen, not a judge or intelligence agent, I may be wrong too. Of course there are people Erdogan jailed unjustly and Turkish democracy is not even crawling. But at least I'm willing to admit that, you, on the other hand, pushing what your media tells you as facts. Apart from that, I don't want Turkey to be great again. I want my nation to be treated equally. The US invades countries continents away, does it for her national security, then Turkey does the same thing in a country it borders, it's genocidal act, it's ethnic cleansing, it's war against the kurds etc etc. By the way, Ataturk was a great leader but a shit politician, he has a part why we suffer all of these conflicts within Turkey. He was like Erdogan, but less religious.
you also imprisoned journalists and teachers that were against this last invasion against the Kurds, your country is a dictatorship only idiots would be proud of the kind of anti-democratic place it has become.
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On March 21 2018 11:16 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2018 08:22 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Really Sermokala? There are lots of very easy arguments to make against the crap lastpuritan is writing, but instead you go with "you should be happy turkey still has Istanbul". Good one. Thereby proving to him that you and him are one and the same in your rabid nationalism and blindness. well I mean they should. Russia has been wanting to take it ever sense the turks took it. The only reason why they have it is beacuse it creates a convenient threat to Russia. the whole reason why the cuban missle crisis fizzled out is because we were willing to deal away the nukes we stashed there to launch against the soviets. The greeks wanted it after WW2 but no one went with them despite letting them get occupied by the germans. They don't even declare it their capital anymore beacuse they know people want it so much. I don't see why pointing out the things we've done to better them is blindness and rabid nationalism. They should be greatful for what the west has done for them.
Why speak from total ignorance? In the modern age of the internet, you don't even need to open a book, you can just use the same browser that you are communicating by to make sure you are factually accurate.
Russia did not exist. What now occupies the Eastern part of Russia consisted of multiple principilities, several Muslim Mongol Khanates and several Catholic kingdoms at the time the Ottoman Empire (not "the turks") conquered Constantinople, whose people spoke Greek, and referred to themselves citizens of the Roman Empire. This at a period of time when Rome was the capital of the Papal states and the Holy Roman Empire (don't ask why it's called that) existed. The last time people who could regard themselves as Greeks, which nevertheless there was not a concept of nationalism to an allegiance to a "Greece" identity at any point during the period leading to the fall of Constantinople was at least some 1700 years ago. To put your ramblings to perspective, the strongest country in what is now modern Russia was The Golden Horde, a Muslim Mongol Khanate and Italy would have a better historical claim to Istanbul; that's how tenuous your ranting is.
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