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Please guys, stay on topic.

This thread is about the situation in Iraq and Syria.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14081 Posts
February 09 2018 05:53 GMT
#8021
The assault was on kurdish forces that were supported by Us special forces that called in the airstrikes and artillery. The treaty was russian mediated and everyone followed the terms of that treaty. Assad sent tanks and artillery across the Euphrates to test the kurish forces and to see if we would protect them or abandon them. They were destroyed without casualties because this isn't WW2.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 09 2018 06:10 GMT
#8022
I'm surprised (well, not really) that our selective news Twitter bot didn't also mention the Turkish offensive into Kurdish lands just a few weeks ago.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14081 Posts
February 09 2018 07:31 GMT
#8023
On February 09 2018 15:10 LegalLord wrote:
I'm surprised (well, not really) that our selective news Twitter bot didn't also mention the Turkish offensive into Kurdish lands just a few weeks ago.

He posted about it on the last page. Puritan posted about it as well. Its been going on for more then a few weeks ago.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
lastpuritan
Profile Joined December 2014
United States540 Posts
February 10 2018 21:35 GMT
#8024
I think it was Russia who downed the Israeli jet, not Syrian regime, a retaliation maybe? s400s are working quite well it seems. Turkish heli has been shot by the YPG. Erdogan commented on slow process of the operation as "warm-up laps".

So, all sides were focusing on destroying ISIS plague, rigggggght.
Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden805 Posts
February 11 2018 15:38 GMT
#8025
On February 11 2018 06:35 lastpuritan wrote:
I think it was Russia who downed the Israeli jet, not Syrian regime, a retaliation maybe? s400s are working quite well it seems. Turkish heli has been shot by the YPG. Erdogan commented on slow process of the operation as "warm-up laps".

So, all sides were focusing on destroying ISIS plague, rigggggght.


It was Syria who downed the plane using old S-125 but upgraded it seems.

lastpuritan
Profile Joined December 2014
United States540 Posts
March 15 2018 00:48 GMT
#8026
hope this is true.

https://southfront.org/turkey-and-u-s-reached-agreement-regarding-manbij-city-turkish-official/


there's nothing more satisfying than seeing all these leftists mercenaries and their communist dreams getting crushed in Afrin after all these years watching their bullshit propaganda twitter videos about how FIERCE COMBATANTS they are.




KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43505 Posts
March 15 2018 05:37 GMT
#8027
Communist mercenaries?
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4742 Posts
March 15 2018 07:23 GMT
#8028
Yeah, sounds wrong. If they really are communist they should probably be volunteers. But it doesnt sound so bad. Mercenaries are much worse, doing things for money and such. Maybe next time there will be some communist islamist mercenaries?
Pathetic Greta hater.
lastpuritan
Profile Joined December 2014
United States540 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-15 17:26:44
March 15 2018 17:23 GMT
#8029
yes they are communists, yes they are getting paid monthly. what's the problem here? a volunteer can get a salary, most of the SDF are volunteers but they're paid in dollars. anyways, I can't say they're doing it for money, it's just a word that we use for non-eastern fighters. there was a coverage about SDF/PKK distribute salaries unjustly, mostly high ranking kurdish pkk and foreigners get the big cut. the rest, arabs and new recruits doing the volunteer part the most.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 15 2018 17:38 GMT
#8030
I believe the objection is that the very concept of a mercenary for hire implies that their skills have value of the free market. They sell their services for profit. Of course, the term communist is pretty flexible. The mercenary group could operate as a communist structure, working within a capitalist system.
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ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-15 22:07:34
March 15 2018 22:01 GMT
#8031
On March 15 2018 09:48 lastpuritan wrote:
hope this is true.

https://southfront.org/turkey-and-u-s-reached-agreement-regarding-manbij-city-turkish-official/


there's nothing more satisfying than seeing all these leftists mercenaries and their communist dreams getting crushed in Afrin after all these years watching their bullshit propaganda twitter videos about how FIERCE COMBATANTS they are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxP7VdW1oAo

https://twitter.com/maksimumperfor2/status/965505775429980160
https://twitter.com/GizliArsivENG_/status/974005361937190917



So if you are a "fierce combatant" you become immortal ? Imo you should be satisfied if the turkish invaders were the ones getting their dreams destroyed.

Got to love the kind of twitter accounts that are allowed to be posted here.´

btw

Yes im
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43505 Posts
March 15 2018 22:53 GMT
#8032
The point of a mercenary is that they’re fighting for money, not ideals. They may happen to be communists in their spare time but if they’re mercenaries that’s no more relevant than if they’re cosplayers on the weekends.
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lastpuritan
Profile Joined December 2014
United States540 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-15 23:48:43
March 15 2018 23:43 GMT
#8033
I don't recall myself calling them immortals, I just happen to be happy because finally, finally, we're coming to the end of twitter posts, magazine covers, vice news interviews that constantly try to show us what brilliant idea it was to arm those heroic pkk militants since they're skilled and oh hey, females and plus, warriors, and plus, secular! (they sometimes blow themselves up in public places but that's totally okay.) Anyways, it will be over, because there will be no safe space to attend photograph shootings with AK's and RPG's throwing peace signs all around. No ISIS left, no lands will be there to grab.. Maybe it's just me, but final stage of Syrian War looks pretty solid and satisfying.

* I still think ISIS could be cleared by USA-FSA alliance instead of destroying whole cities like Raqqa, without changing the demographics of northern syria. But in a larger pattern I believe Kurds are more likely to fight Assad for the West than FSA.
ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-16 00:41:50
March 16 2018 00:31 GMT
#8034
On March 16 2018 08:43 lastpuritan wrote:
I don't recall myself calling them immortals, I just happen to be happy because finally, finally, we're coming to the end of twitter posts, magazine covers, vice news interviews that constantly try to show us what brilliant idea it was to arm those heroic pkk militants since they're skilled and oh hey, females and plus, warriors, and plus, secular! (they sometimes blow themselves up in public places but that's totally okay.) Anyways, it will be over, because there will be no safe space to attend photograph shootings with AK's and RPG's throwing peace signs all around. No ISIS left, no lands will be there to grab.. Maybe it's just me, but final stage of Syrian War looks pretty solid and satisfying.

* I still think ISIS could be cleared by USA-FSA alliance instead of destroying whole cities like Raqqa, without changing the demographics of northern syria. But in a larger pattern I believe Kurds are more likely to fight Assad for the West than FSA.



ah you are a turk nevermind then i will take my leave


"without changing the demographics of northern syria."

you guys are displacing and removing Kurds from their homes and will be bringing thousands of refugees to Afrin that's ethnic cleansing, i don't see you worried about that, also YPG is not PKK even though you guys always try to make it sound like they are the same entity, your army was escorted by alqaeda in Idlib and that doesn't seem to concern you much.

Just in time..

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-ghouta-turkey/turkish-intelligence-working-to-take-nusra-front-out-of-syrias-eastern-ghouta-erdogan-spokesman-idUSKCN1GR11P

Last week, the Syrian rebel group Jaish al-Islam said it had agreed to evacuate Nusra Front fighters being held in its prisons in eastern Ghouta to rebel-held Idlib province.
Yes im
lastpuritan
Profile Joined December 2014
United States540 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-17 21:44:43
March 17 2018 21:43 GMT
#8035
YPG is not PKK ?

Lmao.

Alright mister ImfromPortugal, keep drinking whatever you're drinking and have fun. I can't fight over basic knowledge about Middle East.

But there you go, just some of the thousand examples.

+ Show Spoiler +
https://twitter.com/charles_lister/status/624906464415641600







http://www.ortadogugazetesi.net/images/haber/HaberRes_67362.jpg (former PKK general)



yeah, ethnic cleansing? do you know how many syrians I met who're displaced by the kurds? maybe visit istanbul sometimes and you'll meet many syrians, and they will tell you how pkk destroyed their homes with bulldozers without giving a single explanation apart from telling them they were demolished due to security concerns etc. however, believe in your own reality. we will see how it will sort out soon anyways.
lastpuritan
Profile Joined December 2014
United States540 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-19 13:23:40
March 19 2018 13:18 GMT
#8036
just in time, there you go mister imfromportugal

https://twitter.com/kyleworton/status/964953935302811648?s=21

https://twitter.com/kyleworton/status/964954770434920448?s=21

I wonder for how long western media will try to spread this cheap propaganda while simple reasoning beats it every other day


https://twitter.com/abdullahawez/status/963330341074276353?s=21
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23594 Posts
March 19 2018 13:43 GMT
#8037
On March 19 2018 22:18 lastpuritan wrote:
just in time, there you go mister imfromportugal

https://twitter.com/kyleworton/status/964953935302811648?s=21

https://twitter.com/kyleworton/status/964954770434920448?s=21

I wonder for how long western media will try to spread this cheap propaganda while simple reasoning beats it every other day


https://twitter.com/abdullahawez/status/963330341074276353?s=21


My grasp of the details on this are limited but am I gathering correctly that US sponsored militants claimed a terrorist attack inside/against a NATO ally country? Or at least that's what is being reported?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
KR_4EVR
Profile Joined July 2017
316 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-19 14:20:36
March 19 2018 14:19 GMT
#8038
On March 23 2011 07:13 ProbeRusher wrote:
Im really proud of all protesters around the world. Standing up for what they believe in. Thats how the USA was made. I am shocked on how many dictators that are still out there. I though Cuba was the last one, but boy was I wrong.


Discussion on optimal government aside, there are some dictators who are good leaders and some who don't give a damn about the people.

Take Venezuela for example. People are starving. Starving. Starving. STARVING! Still, the government is playing around with price controls, etc and beating up anyone who objects to Marduro's rule.

Syria is different. Syria is in the middle of an international proxy war. People are startving, but it's not the Syrian government's fault. Time and time again people have found evidence that chemical weapons were used by the rebels against the populace and then blamed on the government. The fault of all the chaos in Syria is the proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia, in which NATO backs Saudi Arabia and Russia/China will back Syria and Iran.

But let's not be morally ambivalent or even morally equivalent. Pre-revolution, Syria was a legitimate, sovereign state. Sure, the ruler was a minority ethnically, but so what? Imagine if upon Barack Obama's election all the whites in the US revolted. The Syrian opposition has ZERO moral right. They have inflicted death and destruction upon what was once a happy country. The blood of 7 million syrians is upon everyone who supported that bloody revolution.

Sure, blame it on President Assad if you want. Ignore the hard questions, like "who profits most from disinformation in this case?". Continue to 'play god' by accepting as refugees into your countries the very people whose brothers and sisters and mothers and fathers you killed, and whose homes you destroyed.

And what's your reason, your ultimate thing you're fighting for? Democracy? At what cost? Can you prove that the government in Syria was actually oppressing its people before the Arab Spring?

The fact that, although the Kurds contained ISIS for them, Turkey and Iraq have proceeded to systematically ethnically cleanse the region of Kurdish influence - and those same players are against Iran - makes me question those who have the same objectives as Turkey. Why do you support a brutal dictator in Turkey who brutaly put down a coup there and has silenced dissent, using the military to destroy homes and imprison political opposition?

Why is there no call for revolution in Turkey, to bring about 'justice' there? This is in and of itself evidence that condemns those who oppose the legitimate sovereign government of Syria. You think you care, you think what you're doing is helpful, but all you're doing is generating blood and more blood and enabling more dictators of the brutal, uncaring sort.
Et tu Brute ?
KR_4EVR
Profile Joined July 2017
316 Posts
March 19 2018 14:25 GMT
#8039
On April 12 2017 02:37 Wrath wrote:
No one said that Morsi was a very bright person. But making it that Egypt instability is due to Muslim Brotherhood - As the comments in the dailymail about the bombs - is kinda exaggerating. They completely failed to rule the country after the revolution in 2011 and due to that they have the current dictator who is far worse than Mubark according to some Egyptians.

Muslim Brotherhood is really peaceful movement.


The name "Muslim Brotherhood" sounds like "Arab version of Ku Klux Klan" to me. And their actions back it up. Randomly abducting women from minority ethnic communities and raping them/ forcing them into marriage.
Et tu Brute ?
ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-19 23:17:34
March 19 2018 23:08 GMT
#8040
On March 18 2018 06:43 lastpuritan wrote:
YPG is not PKK ?

Lmao.

Alright mister ImfromPortugal, keep drinking whatever you're drinking and have fun. I can't fight over basic knowledge about Middle East.

But there you go, just some of the thousand examples.

+ Show Spoiler +
https://twitter.com/charles_lister/status/624906464415641600

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVZCIel_2Xw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-CocsaTfAE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEmjWO-Pq9Q

http://www.ortadogugazetesi.net/images/haber/HaberRes_67362.jpg (former PKK general)



yeah, ethnic cleansing? do you know how many syrians I met who're displaced by the kurds? maybe visit istanbul sometimes and you'll meet many syrians, and they will tell you how pkk destroyed their homes with bulldozers without giving a single explanation apart from telling them they were demolished due to security concerns etc. however, believe in your own reality. we will see how it will sort out soon anyways.



AT least your cheap propaganda didn't deny the fact that you want to displace the Kurds from their homes and your jihadist army is already looting their belongings as they invade the city of Afrin.

"Alright mister ImfromPortugal, keep drinking whatever you're drinking and have fun. I can't fight over basic knowledge about Middle East. "

I should say the same against turkish propaganda it's always the same anywhere on the Internet, YPG is not the same organization as the PKK, only turks belive it.


And ofc you are so intelligent that you quote some pro turkish account that has no sources and the supposed sources don't even exist lol... what a joker.

The city has been liberated

Yes im
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