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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Broodie
Canada832 Posts
I figured this was worth it though Users here might want to tune into Alex Jones on youtube, or check out his site, Infowars. He's been covering this war since before it began, providing evidence of USA's direct involvement. He's got governors, whistle blowers, politicians, Secret service operatives, (you name it, hes got it) providing him information. Everywhere I post gets the information censored and removed, perhaps you would all get some insight through Alex. sorry if this is a repost of elsewhere in the thread. There's just so much going on right now that Alex is covering, I feel like I would be betraying the world not sharing his links http://www.infowars.com/ https://www.youtube.com/user/TheAlexJonesChannel User was warned for this post | ||
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Simberto
Germany11731 Posts
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zeo
Serbia6334 Posts
On January 26 2016 21:03 Simberto wrote: Isn't Alex Jones a known lunatic? I think it would be a bit unfair to say Alex Jones is a lunatic. He knows exactly what he is saying and what crowd he is saying it to, you don't become a millionaire by being a lunatic... This subject is like a Mecca for conspiracies and of course people in the conspiracy business are drawn like fly's to it. That said the post above yours looks like astroturfing | ||
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lord_nibbler
Germany591 Posts
On January 26 2016 01:24 Broodie wrote: So?He's been covering this war since before it began, providing evidence of USA's direct involvement. The US does not make it a secret, that they are directly involved. What's the news here again? | ||
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BjoernK
194 Posts
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Broodie
Canada832 Posts
I've been following him for almost 2 years and everything that the media has depicted him as a lunatic for has come true. So I dont know if hes a luny or not, but I believe him | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18202 Posts
On February 05 2016 03:36 Broodie wrote: I would say to look into it and get back to me if it is legit or not. I've been following him for almost 2 years and everything that the media has depicted him as a lunatic for has come true. So I dont know if hes a luny or not, but I believe him Absolute nonsense. Stop spouting this drivel. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 26 2016 21:56 zeo wrote: I think it would be a bit unfair to say Alex Jones is a lunatic. He knows exactly what he is saying and what crowd he is saying it to, you don't become a millionaire by being a lunatic... This subject is like a Mecca for conspiracies and of course people in the conspiracy business are drawn like fly's to it. That said the post above yours looks like astroturfing I would also like to take issue with this statement. There are tons of cases of very wealthy, successful people being mentally ill. Howard Hughes being the prime example. He could just be a person who believes crazy stuff and also knows how to make a buck. But yeah, this guy isn't in reality. He is either delusional or marketing to delusional people who want someone to tell them they are right. | ||
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frontliner2
Netherlands844 Posts
New thread perhaps? | ||
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lastpuritan
United States540 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On February 05 2016 10:25 lastpuritan wrote: Right after they weren't invited to Geneva talks, same bs fighting global capitalism rhetoric strikes with a new sauce "attack the institutions of the turkish state all over the world". Good job PYD, you are definitely not PKK nor terrorist. They are still less extreme than the guys Turkey supports in Syria. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6334 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/q4wRHsn.jpg) (note where the front line was on January 31st) The SAA broke the seige of Nubl two days ago and has completely cut the jihadist forces in Aleppo off from Turkey. This is an absolutely huge development with far reaching consequences for Al-Nusra, other Islamists and ISIS in the area. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Sf2doTL.jpg) Now there is only one road from which the Islamists can supply themselves out of Turkey, and its over 40km of no cover through mountains under 24h Russian surveillance. Some English language links about the situation the last few days: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-aleppo-idUSKCN0VE0ZA?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=twitter http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-civil-war-assad-s-forces-cut-off-last-rebel-supply-line-to-aleppo-raising-fears-of-huge-a6851776.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/12137221/Syrian-regime-troops-on-verge-of-encircling-Aleppo.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3432421/Turkey-braced-influx-tens-thousands-refugees-Syrian-government-backed-Russian-air-strikes-cut-supply-lines-rebel-held-Aleppo.html http://news.yahoo.com/syria-regime-forces-cut-rebel-supply-route-aleppo-161212104.html This is a massive development and what looks like the second serious large scale strategic offensive in the Aleppo area, the SAA is also looking to encircle ISIS forces to the west of Kuweires airbase. Though the SAA hasn't show itself to be competent when it comes to keeping pockets properly contained, ISIS will be delt a huge blow in Aleppo nonetheless. edit: Either way things will look very different on the ground in a month | ||
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lastpuritan
United States540 Posts
West will make Syrian opposition retreat for a while it seems. They will test how far Assad wants to go. Whether they are allied or not atm, PYD holds the grounds what belongs to Assad and Assad considers federation or autonomy as separatism. We observe some movement towards kurdish lands to also cut their support-line. I believe Putin is trying hard to convince Assad that he must forget about Kurdistan or WW3 is at doors. On February 05 2016 17:24 Redox wrote: They are still less extreme than the guys Turkey supports in Syria. You mean the western support flows through Turkey? I hope you are not one of those guys who blame Saudi Arabia, Turkey and France over arming opposition / anti Essad issue, that's something i started to see recently. It was all US' plan and locals adopted it zealously. Now they are pointing fingers at each other. Put your extrem'o test aside and approach that statement objectively. Is it any different than back in those days when ISIS were calling people out to join jihad. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On February 08 2016 12:16 lastpuritan wrote: You mean the western support flows through Turkey? I hope you are not one of those guys who blame Saudi Arabia, Turkey and France over arming opposition / anti Essad issue, that's something i started to see recently. It was all US' plan and locals adopted it zealously. Now they are pointing fingers at each other. Put your extrem'o test aside and approach that statement objectively. Is it any different than back in those days when ISIS were calling people out to join jihad. Wait are you claming now that Turkey and Saudis did not support Assad opposition? Or that US forced them to do it? It is pretty well known who supports which group and the Saudis/Qatar/Turkey were always in bed with the more extreme ones. But even if it was all USA fault or whatever, what does that change about my statement that Turkey supports groups more extremist than PYD? | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
On February 05 2016 10:25 lastpuritan wrote: Right after they weren't invited to Geneva talks, same bs fighting global capitalism rhetoric strikes with a new sauce "attack the institutions of the turkish state all over the world". Good job PYD, you are definitely not PKK nor terrorist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5jA7EiXQsc The situation in Kurdistan is pretty funny, but most of the left-wing ideology is coming from the international fighters, specifically from Europe and Turkey. Most of the left-wing rhetoric is pretty deluded and most of the hardliners in the PKK and international fighters who are going to find themselves alienated pretty soon. The first issue is economics which can be seen in the constitution of Rojava which is a standard social democratic framework. The second one is much more controversial which is Salih Muslims alliance with the US and his rejection of Russia's support (with some expcetions, especially with Turkey) since the US opposes the Assad regime whilst Russia is upholding it. Most Marxist-Leninists will not accept that. Thirdly, not all Kurds are exactly going to go with the secular project envisioned by Ocalan, even in Turkey seeing how 55 percent of the HDP are against secularism. And the YPG, even with their commitment to democracy is more than happy to use force against dissenters. If anything, what most people seem to be missing is that this conflict has a lot in common with the breakup of Yugoslavia with ethnic conflicts happening everywhere which has been well known since the start of the conflict. "One day those Arabs who have been brought to the Kurdish areas will have to be expelled" 2. This video shows that many ordinary Arabs are not necessarily all about the Islamist ideology so much as they are more concerned about whether the Arabs or Kurds will come out on top. It just happens to be that the Arabs in that particular part of Syria are represented by Islamists and the Kurds are represented by a bunch of WTF ideas by a cult-like mafia leader and the pragmatics of geopolitics. | ||
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
the Kurds are represented by a bunch of WTF ideas by a cult-like mafia leader and the pragmatics of geopolitics. I don't think that this is a fair assessment. The different factions of the Kurds still represent the most progressive party in the conflict, with stronger demoratic,liberal and socialist tendencies than all the other gorups. Of course, you are right when you point out that this is becoming more and more an ethnic conflict, and that left wing ideologies become more and more irrelevant (like everywhere else, lel). | ||
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zeo
Serbia6334 Posts
On February 09 2016 23:05 Paljas wrote: I don't think that this is a fair assessment. The different factions of the Kurds still represent the most progressive party in the conflict, with stronger demoratic,liberal and socialist tendencies than all the other gorups. Of course, you are right when you point out that this is becoming more and more an ethnic conflict, and that left wing ideologies become more and more irrelevant (like everywhere else, lel). The reason why the Kurds have never had their own independent country is because they are one of the easiest people to turn on each other because of tribal stupidity. They have spent a millennium fighting each other over foreign interests and now when they are the closest have have been to national independence in a very very long time what do they do? One large group hates Turks One large group works with Turks One large group wants to kick all non-Kurds out One large group works with Assad against terrorists And none of them want anything to do with each other. They are an extremely tribalistic people that turn on each other the moment a big power starts supporting one tribe over the other, saying they are more democratic and liberal than the Syrian people is a bit farfetched, though certainly more civilized than the rebels and ISIS. Could you imagine something like the Latakia fashion week happening in a place where women are forbidden by law of going out of their house without a burka? + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
On February 09 2016 23:05 Paljas wrote: I don't think that this is a fair assessment. The different factions of the Kurds still represent the most progressive party in the conflict, with stronger demoratic,liberal and socialist tendencies than all the other gorups. Of course, you are right when you point out that this is becoming more and more an ethnic conflict, and that left wing ideologies become more and more irrelevant (like everywhere else, lel). All of this could easily be said of Franjo Tudman and Israel. Sooner or later, all the hype about the Kurds among Western leftists and liberals is going to die when news about ethnic cleansing, alliances with Assad and the US, the status of women behind the pictures the guns and girls, the moral bankruptcy of the Apo cult and the realpolitik of Salih Muslim is going to kill the hype the same way leftists stopped supporting Israel and found themselves against them after their crimes against Palestine and Lebanon became clear. This shit happens over and over again and it is just fucking depressing to see these events play themselves out. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6262 Posts
One Turkish soldier was killed and another wounded when security forces clashed with Kurdish militants crossing over from Syria, the army said on Wednesday, hours after Ankara summoned the U.S. ambassador over Washington's support for Syrian Kurds. The latest clash could add to Turkish frustrations with its NATO ally Washington which supports the PYD Syrian Kurds in the battle against Islamic State in Syria. Ankara sees the fighters as terrorists, citing their links to the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), which has carried out a violent, three-decade insurgency for Kurdish autonomy in Turkey's southeast. As well as battling both a Kurdish insurgency and Islamic State, Turkey has been grappling with an influx of more than 2.5 million refugees since the start of the Syrian civil war. Separately, military sources said the army seized up to 15 kg of explosives and four suicide-bomber vests when it detained 34 people trying to cross into Turkey from an area in Syria under Islamic State control. It has announced such seizures in the past. Turkish soldiers spotted seven PKK militants entering Sirnak province's Cizre district from Syria on Tuesday evening and, as they clashed, one soldier was killed and one wounded, the Turkish armed forces said. In another incident, one police officer was killed and another wounded when PKK rebels launched a rocket attack on an armored vehicle in the town of Sirnak, state-run Anadolu Agency reported. It was not clear when that attack occurred. ENVOY SUMMONED The area of Syria near where the soldiers clashed is controlled by the Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD). Tensions between Ankara and Washington flared up again over the PYD after State Department Spokesman John Kirby said on Monday the United States did not regard the group as a terrorist organization. In response, Ankara summoned the U.S. ambassador to express its displeasure. Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said on Tuesday that the United States' refusal to label the PYD as terrorists, while applying that label to the PKK was unacceptable. "If you're putting one of them on your terror list, and ignoring the other, that's naive to say the least - and unacceptable," Cavusoglu said while on an official visit to Hungary. Turkey fears that the advances by Syrian Kurds against Islamic State on its 900-km (560-mile) border with Syria will fuel separatist ambitions among its own Kurds. It has been conducting a violent crackdown on the PKK in the southeast, with hundred of militants, security force members and civilians killed as the military tries to force the PKK out of towns and cities across the region. www.reuters.com | ||
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