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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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dfs
Russian Federation4050 Posts
Some people's lack of perseption is amazing. Causal connections must be a work of Kremlin's propaganda too. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6324 Posts
On November 27 2015 22:20 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I love how Zeo doesn't acknowledge the link he posted doesn't support what he is saying, even though he was asking people to read his link. Whats your problem? What part of 'Eh, my bad. Didn't read the source material I thought there was more to it but didn't check' don't you understand? Stop derailing the thread with personal attacks. You don't see me going into schizophrenic posting rampages when someone posts something clearly wrong about what happened in the other country we had a thread about but don't talk about anymore. Go you website feedback if you have a problem, stop trolling the thread. Joint press conference (livestream) buy the Syrian and Russian FM's, it has an English translation. They are talking about the plane crash. + Show Spoiler + On November 27 2015 22:08 xM(Z wrote: come on men, he's obviously going for some "To know your Enemy, you must become your Enemy" shenanigans. They are just baiting, shitting up threads with ban requests to the point threads need to be closed is the only reason people like farvacola and friends go into general threads. No input or content whatsoever into any thread. Giving bullies attention only makes them worse. Stop shitting up the thread guys and take it to website feedback | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
On November 27 2015 22:40 zeo wrote: Whats your problem? What part of 'Eh, my bad. Didn't read the source material I thought there was more to it but didn't check' don't you understand? Stop derailing the thread with personal attacks. You don't see me going into schizophrenic posting rampages when someone posts something clearly wrong about what happened in the other country we had a thread about but don't talk about anymore. Joint press conference (livestream) buy the Syrian and Russian FM's, it has an English translation. They are talking about the plane crash. + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2AHq1IPof4 straight up copy and pasting makes it obvious you're just regurgitating the contents of watever fountain the kremlin trolls are all drinking out of. | ||
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Banaora
Germany234 Posts
On November 27 2015 22:31 dfs wrote: Get your military plane intentionally shot down by a neighbor military, which resulted in a death of one of your pilots, which resulted in military fortifications in the area and loss of trust - overreaction. Some people's lack of perseption is amazing. Causal connections must be a work of Kremlin's propaganda too. Oh I didn't mean the military fortifications with overreaction, though S400 is a little bit over the top probably but it's also a sign Russia is serious about what it's doing. I meant the sanction list and I think one or two things out of it would have been enough. - Cancellation of Turkish Stream - Cancellation of nuclear plant - Ban of Tourism with Turkey - Restrictions on agriculture imports - Ban of Turkish ships and aircraft from Russian territory - Police raids on Turkish business in Russia - Starting from January 1st 2016 Turkish citizens require a visa to enter Russia and so on, I'm sure I forgot something. | ||
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
On November 27 2015 23:19 Banaora wrote: Oh I didn't mean the military fortifications with overreaction, though S400 is a little bit over the top probably but it's also a sign Russia is serious about what it's doing. I meant the sanction list and I think one or two things out of it would have been enough. - Cancellation of Turkish Stream - Cancellation of nuclear plant - Ban of Tourism with Turkey - Restrictions on agriculture imports - Ban for Turkish ships and aircraft from Russian territory - Police raids on Turkish business in Russia and so on, I'm sure I forgot something. Most of those aren't so much sanctions as they are security measures. Banning tourism makes sense as Turkey is showing itself to be hostile towards Russia, plus Turkey the 'Turkmen rebels' Turkey has stated are 'their brothers' are considered a terrorist group in Russia. Investing massive amounts of funds into developing a nuclear plant in Turkey also doesn't make sense since it'd take 50+ years for that investment to pay off and what's more important, Russia would also be providing training in nuclear physics to Turkish scientists, which could potentially speed up development of a nuclear arms program in Turkey which is obviously not something Russia would like to see. The complaints about raids on Turkish businesses are rather overblown as well. It's not like Russian police is setting legitimate businesses on fire or something, they are simply being much more thorough with any permit and visa checks -- which is mighty inconvenient for the Turkish folks there of course, but not something you can seriously complain about. Basically, Russia stopped treating Turkey as a friendly country; the measures look so drastic simply because up until now, Turkey enjoyed a lot of 'freebies' from Kremlin. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On November 27 2015 23:19 Banaora wrote: Oh I didn't mean the military fortifications with overreaction, though S400 is a little bit over the top probably but it's also a sign Russia is serious about what it's doing. I meant the sanction list and I think one or two things out of it would have been enough. - Cancellation of Turkish Stream - Cancellation of nuclear plant - Ban of Tourism with Turkey - Restrictions on agriculture imports - Ban of Turkish ships and aircraft from Russian territory - Police raids on Turkish business in Russia - Starting from January 1st 2016 Turkish citizens require a visa to enter Russia and so on, I'm sure I forgot something. Oh wow as a Russian would be pissed if I could not travel to Turkey because of this crap. Good news for other tourists though. Russian tourists is the one thing I hear every German tourist coming back from Turkey complain about. But seriously the tourism thing hits Turkey pretty hard. | ||
KwarK
United States43282 Posts
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xM(Z
Romania5296 Posts
Ahrar al-Sham is a military ally to Jabhat al-Nusra = Al-Qaeda’s Syrian affiliate(they were armed by the west). 1st Coastal Division that shot (at)the russian pilots, is an ally of syrian al Qaeda also(armed by the west through Qatar and Turkey). | ||
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
On November 28 2015 03:47 KwarK wrote: I reject the idea that sharing civilian nuclear technology is a potential threat. The only barrier to any developed country obtaining nuclear weapons is the diplomatic cost of openly doing so. If Turkey wanted to become a nuclear power it would hurt the chances of EU entry, continued NATO membership and so forth but they would not be restrained by technical limitations. North Korea made nukes for example. You underestimate just how much goes into developing a full-fledged nuclear program from scratch. Of course it is not impossible, but it is extremely expensive and perhaps even more importantly, extremely time-consuming without outside help. Your example of North Korea is a good illustration of that; they had a state of the art nuclear facility built for them by the Soviets something like 10 years after the Korean War and had been receiving specialist training at USSR's top universities all the way until dissolution of the Soviet Union. Their nuclear weapons program started a good 40 years ago, and even despite at points receiving support for their nuclear program from Pakistan, it still took them about 30 years from commencing development to first live tests. Not only that, but North Korea is actually a formidable country in its own way when it comes to specialized research, perhaps more so than Turkey thanks to the whole, 'do what mr Kim tells you or else,' thing. Since their research is very focused and being a scientist in state-mandated programs is as close to 'living the dream' as anyone in NK can get, they are actually way ahead of many democratic countries in a number of fields, nuclear physics obviously being one of them. Starting from scratch, developing a nuclear program is a matter of decades, even before you run into potential questions about 'peacefulness' of your research etc. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On November 28 2015 03:36 Redox wrote: Oh wow as a Russian would be pissed if I could not travel to Turkey because of this crap. I find that it would probably be a lot more likely that most Russians would say "good riddance" instead of being pissed about it. Even without any embargo, Turkey would probably see a massive drop in Russian tourism for the near future. | ||
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lastpuritan
United States540 Posts
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34941 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34940109 Russia is trying to do everything except declaring war over an issue that they are completely WRONG and LYING. Another huge partner and possible ally is turning its back to Russia, and Putin seems eased with that. What a glory for him to deploy mighty s400's and threaten Turkey to hit their jets if they do it again. What now? Will they enter Turkish air-space again and try to hit Turkish jets to make sure their violation is done, because you all need to know, Russia Stronk? I would totally agree with Russian claims if they were not famous with their jets doing this for ages, and if Turkey had not warned them not only before the shooting, they have been warned days ago when they violate 3 times in a week. Erdogan wants proof from Putin and says Turkey buys its gas and oil from Russia, Iran, Azerbaijan and Northern Iraq, as well as LNG from Algeria and Qatar in response to some Russian officials claiming that Turkey buys oil from ISIS. This is all happening in the same week The U.S. Treasury Department proves Syrian Regime is the one buying ISIS oil. And Putin is completely silent about that. - Visa free travel is cancelled. - Food restrictions similar to restrictions to EU after Ukraine crisis. 'Everyone understands that each Turkish tomato bought in Auchan (supermarket) or a market is a contribution to yet another missile which will be used to shoot at our boys,' warned Gennadiy Onishchenko, formerly Vladimir Putin's top medical guru, now a key Medvedev aide - Deployment of unnecessary s400s to Syria. Lying about warnings and violation. - Deporting Turkish businessmen out of Russia, call for Russian citizens to come back from Turkey. - Trying to hit Turkish tourism income. (when 100 russian rubles only make 4 Turkish Liras) - Accusing Turkey with some bullshit propaganda See: https://www.rt.com/business/323391-isis-oil-business-turkey-russia/ - Then see this: http://imgz.star.com.tr/imgsdisk/2014/06/16/160620140046315037306_2.jpg (famous kebab restaurant) - Soontobecancelled pipeline project (that was already expected to be cancelled) Are they really unaware that none of these will make Erdogan apology as he is the same breed with Putin, he wants 1v1 in Paris. Hope they make a good swordfight there and never push their egos to our face again. Read more at: http://www.wsj.com/articles/turkeys-erdogan-seeks-meeting-with-putin-1448620798 // http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3334650/Russia-enters-diplomatic-food-fight-Turkey-Putin-tells-shoppers-stop-buying-Turkish-tomatoes-funding-missile-shoot-boys.html Dont know if its official, here you can listen the warnings while pilot is saying he did not enter turkish air even for a second and he got no warnings at all. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34925823 | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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xM(Z
Romania5296 Posts
Turkey shot down a Russian warplane at the Syrian border on Tuesday but the United States is still reviewing data to determine precisely where the incident took place, U.S.-led coalition spokesman Colonel Steve Warren said. that's basically stating - we're staying the fuck out of this. | ||
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dfs
Russian Federation4050 Posts
On November 28 2015 09:45 lastpuritan wrote: Putin expects official apology, compensation and responsible army men to be fired. ( Its a joke, right? ) http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34941 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34940109 Russia is trying to do everything except declaring war over an issue that they are completely WRONG and LYING. Another huge partner and possible ally is turning its back to Russia, and Putin seems eased with that. What a glory for him to deploy mighty s400's and threaten Turkey to hit their jets if they do it again. What now? Will they enter Turkish air-space again and try to hit Turkish jets to make sure their violation is done, because you all need to know, Russia Stronk? I would totally agree with Russian claims if they were not famous with their jets doing this for ages, and if Turkey had not warned them not only before the shooting, they have been warned days ago when they violate 3 times in a week. Erdogan wants proof from Putin and says Turkey buys its gas and oil from Russia, Iran, Azerbaijan and Northern Iraq, as well as LNG from Algeria and Qatar in response to some Russian officials claiming that Turkey buys oil from ISIS. This is all happening in the same week The U.S. Treasury Department proves Syrian Regime is the one buying ISIS oil. And Putin is completely silent about that. - Visa free travel is cancelled. - Food restrictions similar to restrictions to EU after Ukraine crisis. - Deployment of unnecessary s400s to Syria. Lying about warnings and violation. - Deporting Turkish businessmen out of Russia, call for Russian citizens to come back from Turkey. - Trying to hit Turkish tourism income. (when 100 russian rubles only make 4 Turkish Liras) - Accusing Turkey with some bullshit propaganda See: https://www.rt.com/business/323391-isis-oil-business-turkey-russia/ - Then see this: http://imgz.star.com.tr/imgsdisk/2014/06/16/160620140046315037306_2.jpg (famous kebab restaurant) - Soontobecancelled pipeline project (that was already expected to be cancelled) Are they really unaware that none of these will make Erdogan apology as he is the same breed with Putin, he wants 1v1 in Paris. Hope they make a good swordfight there and never push their egos to our face again. Read more at: http://www.wsj.com/articles/turkeys-erdogan-seeks-meeting-with-putin-1448620798 // http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3334650/Russia-enters-diplomatic-food-fight-Turkey-Putin-tells-shoppers-stop-buying-Turkish-tomatoes-funding-missile-shoot-boys.html Dont know if its official, here you can listen the warnings while pilot is saying he did not enter turkish air even for a second and he got no warnings at all. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34925823 https://twitter.com/Malcolmite/status/670340972023300097 https://twitter.com/Malcolmite/status/670339892484956161 Honest question, I don't pay much attention to these threads usually, so should I ignore this guy and not bother? This kinda seems like so much fun to go through, though. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On November 28 2015 23:22 dfs wrote: Honest question, I don't pay much attention to these threads usually, so should I ignore this guy and not bother? This kinda seems like so much fun to go through, though. He's what I'd call one of the trouble posters, if that's what you're asking. On November 28 2015 16:23 xM(Z wrote: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/24/us-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-coalition-idUSKBN0TD1Z920151124#TbXaKuoycr6AMgP6.97 that's basically stating - we're staying the fuck out of this. The US doesn't need or want a conflict with Russia in the MidEast, and none of this paints Turkey in a favorable light (the "they were warned" BS doesn't reflect the reality of how you deal with this issue). Basically what they want is to stop anyone from escalating. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5296 Posts
like, he agrees/has no problem with killing people if they pass through ones back yard. BUT DID YOU NOT SEE THE "NO TRESPASSING" SIGN! Edit: hmm, in US maybe they do that; i don't know. | ||
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farvacola
United States18839 Posts
On November 28 2015 23:33 xM(Z wrote: ignore about 75% then strawman the other 25%. like, he agrees/has no problem with killing people if they pass through ones back yard. BUT DID YOU NOT SEE THE "NO TRESPASSING" SIGN! Edit: hmm, in US maybe they do that; i don't know. Only in a select few states  | ||
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