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Please guys, stay on topic.

This thread is about the situation in Iraq and Syria.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 28 2015 00:10 GMT
#5701






"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
lastpuritan
Profile Joined December 2014
United States540 Posts
February 28 2015 03:15 GMT
#5702
On February 28 2015 03:42 snailz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2015 17:37 lastpuritan wrote:
who would write such an article claiming there has not been an offensive since 1945, when there is mosul one also by IS, and who says kobani did not fall. while troll turkish army watches everything, islamic state took control of every village around and every hill around, and %75 of the city. some brave kurdish forces tried to stand and fight but most of them fleed like iraqi kurds, simply because is's arsenal was way more better. there was no chance but destroying entire city to push isis back, and that was a good idea, cities can be rebuilt. i feel ashamed whenever a middle eastern army puffs out his chest like they ever do something to end this while US saves the day again and again.

On February 26 2015 04:33 Sub40APM wrote:
On February 26 2015 02:54 Acrofales wrote:
On February 26 2015 01:57 nunez wrote:
war nerd dressing down of the macabre turk charade:

The war nerd: Tomb Raiders of Kobane

...

So in October 2014, as Islamic State convoys pushed toward Suleyman Shah’s tomb on the Euphrates River southwest of Kobane, we had the conditions for a lab-quality experiment: Would IS’s ferocious Wahaabist intolerance for fancy tombs triumph over its sleazy alliance with Turkey? Would ideology trump realpolitik?

Quick answer: Nah. Islamic State “threatened” to blow up the tomb, and could’ve done it easily, since the Turkish military assigned only 40 soldiers to the site. But threats are for suckers; what you watch for is whether they do it or not. And IS never touched that tomb in months of occupying the country around it.

That non-action, from a group like IS that’s pretty much non-stop mayhem everywhere else, is exhibit Z in the long list of indications that Islamic State and Turkey made a deal. They both deny it, but there’ve been too many videos of Turkish soldiers waving howdy to IS jihadis, investigative reporters killed in convenient car crashes, and outright confessions by IS vets about being smuggled back and forth across the Syrian border with full Turkish cooperation.

Turkish policy made sense, in a grim way, back in the Autumn of 2014, when everyone was looking forward to the fall of Kobane. The radical Kurds of PKK/YPG/J were a real threat to Turkish sovereignty in the East, while the Arabs and assorted war tourists of IS seemed like a joke, with no potential to cause trouble in Turkey proper.

It’s not that Turkey likes IS, or shares its attitudes. You won’t find a lot of real support for IS outside a particular demographic: Young, male, middle-class wannabe thugs. It’s the same demographic that supplied most recruits for the James brothers, Quantrill, and Anderson, and the appeal is the same: Rape, plunder, sectarian revenge, escape from the boredom of downwardly-mobile civilian existence.

Turkey’s ruling elite, obsessed with the Kurdish “threat,” just saw IS as a useful pest-control device, and made a deal with it—one that included a promise to make Suleyman Shah’s tomb the only one in IS territory that wouldn’t be touched. If Turkey had really been worried that IS might desecrate the tomb, it would have sent a convoy to recover the coffin back when IS had undisputed control, a few months ago. It didn’t. Instead, Turkey waited until YPG/J Kurdish militia, driving south after liberating Kobane, were about to take the area around Suleyman Shah’s tomb.

Only then, on February 22, 2015, did the Turkish Army decide to drive south and rescue the body of Suleyman. The timing makes their motive clear: Turkey didn’t want to be indebted to the Kurds, the socialist radicals of YPG/J, for protecting Suleyman’s body. There was no threat from the YPG/J; they make a point of respecting all religious beliefs and would never dream of desecrating a tomb. Erdogan and his bigoted hick constituency, which hates Kurds with an insane passion, just couldn’t stand the idea of owing them anything.

Most humiliating of all was the fact that the route to Suleyman’s tomb led south through…Kobane. Oooo, that had to hurt! Back in October ’14, Erdogan was “warning”—which is to say, hoping and praying—that Kobane would fall in hours.

Now the defenders of Kobane were tickling the banks of the Euphrates, after blasting IS’s demoralized amateurs out of hundreds of villages around Kobane. There hasn’t been an offensive like this from a socialist army since 1945, not that you’d know it if you asked queasy pampered first-world socialists.

Erdogan doesn’t like commies (Islamists rarely do, as Indonesia 1965 demonstrated) and he doesn’t like Kurds. And he has the same ol’ birth rate fears all old racists have—so Turkey didn’t take any chances when it sent its convoy south to get Suleyman’s bones. The convoy consisted of 39 tanks and 57 APCs, manned by 572 soldiers.

...
src


I still can't believe the relationship between the rest of NATO and the Turks hasn't really suffered under the Turkish dirty hipocrisy regarding IS.
Turkey has threatened war with Greece, another NATO member in the past too. So why would 'just' supporting terrorists affect the relationship? The reality is that for Turkey, NATO membership was about defending against Soviet encroachment and now that Russia and Turkey are mirror images of each other in their political system -- down to trying to reclaim some vague historical imperial regalia -- they are the best buds and so NATO is much less relevant to them.


Russia's strongest partner will be Turkey in 50 years. europe is trying to hold this project but they need that gas, ukrainian gas is not enough to warm entire continent. http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/eu-energy-chief-says-russia-s-turkish-stream-gas-project-won-t-work/514817.html small Balkan countries are economically corrupt. they are eager to join russian side, think Bulgaria.

if you are not familiar with the project in short words, russia and turkey are building a new gas line inside turkey to europe, russia's plan is to build a stronger turkish economy, so they allow turkey to price it. if that happens, turkey will be third strongest economy and second strongest army in europe, as germany and many eu nations reduce their defense budget lower and lower every year, turkey is increasing it since 10 years, building its own heavy tanks and herons and nuclear reactors. i dont know what are written in this picture but spot the blue line:

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turkey is joker country in this game. since they are light muslim and less arabic, they are easy to convert if you play and respect their own plans as a nation. i am full of with hatred towards their government but i totally understand what and why they are doing all of these over Syria, over Kurds and Greece. best is to hope an urgent government change, maybe into a liberal one. but i dont even know if they have that ideology in that county haha.



pls tell me where u get your supplies, i so wanna smoke what you're smoking

srsly tho, even if we disregard the elephant in the room (russia being a non-factor in terms of world domination wet dreams some ww3 enthusiast have), wasn't it discussed on TL before how bulgarians would be last to support anything russian related? and u put them up as prime example lol. im fairly certain same goes for every other small balkan country, excluding serbia.. economically corrupt or not. also, sorry to further derail. ever since japan-china islands crisis there weren't many apocalypse posts, i couldnt resist ^_^

edit: just saw mod note. pls no banerino :/


i usually smoke northern lights, best cannabis ever. http://www.euractiv.com/sections/eu-elections-2014/22-bulgarians-want-join-russias-eurasian-union-302163 - they are not completely eu friendly, nor turkey, and now greece is an eu - nato hater. things can change if you give them cheap gas, that thing is hell of an important one, like water and food.

lastpuritan
Profile Joined December 2014
United States540 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-01 15:46:02
March 01 2015 15:36 GMT
#5703
strong rumors turkey is planning heavy offensive against isil on mosul / or will heavily arm iraqi forces this spring.

http://en.cihan.com.tr/news/Turkey-to-join-fight-against-ISIL-in-Mosul-an-election-ploy-journalist-claims_1343-CHMTY5MTM0Mw==

"A major foreign policy change is taking place. Turkey, which was previously reluctant to take part in any military engagement with ISIL or be dragged into the Middle East quagmire, has changed its mind; the TSK [Turkish Armed Forces] has decided to take an active role in a sweeping military operation against ISIL that will take place in Mosul in April or May,"

Chief of General Staff Gen. Necdet Özel attended a meeting of coalition military heads in Saudi Arabia's capital of Riyadh. Here, the participant countries agreed to eliminate ISIL, and Turkey also declared its commitment to participating in the operation. Shortly before the Süleyman Şah operation, Foreign Ministry Undersecretary Feridun Sinirlioğlu signed a memorandum of understanding with US Ambassador to Turkey John Bass on a train-and-equip program. The signing of the document was the first significant sign of Turkey's commitment to the fight against ISIL






with these said, something strange happened:



http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31673830

In a statement read out on TV by a Kurdish MP, Abdullah Ocalan said he was seeking a "historical decision" to reach "a democratic solution".

He called for a special congress in the spring intended to make a declaration ending the armed conflict.


further details :

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/28/abdullah-ocalan-disarm-pkk_n_6774798.html
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2015/02/jailed-pkk-leader-calls-followers-disarm-150228141745343.html


Turkey and Kurds have a long history of dispute over Mosul since Turkey still claims its his land and so kurds. This peace attempt after those rumors triggers me that something fizzy will occur in middle-east. Get ready ISIS. : )
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 01 2015 17:43 GMT
#5704


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
AssyrianKing
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia2116 Posts
March 01 2015 23:32 GMT
#5705
On March 02 2015 02:43 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/Rojekazad/status/571782529381871616

https://twitter.com/Conflict_Report/status/571993775825928192

I wish the USA would give up with this FSA crap, it's not helping the situation
John 15:13
frontliner2
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Netherlands844 Posts
March 02 2015 11:13 GMT
#5706
The only differecne between FSA and ISIS is that FSA is willing to negotiate with the west (for support, arms, funding and training ofcourse).

They also always raise the finger (that horrible Allah/sharia thing). they DEMAND Sharia, they decapitate and otherwise execute POW's.

They more often than not pledge allegiance to ISIS or Nusra after training and supplying.

Bastards.

Any movement that demands Sharia should be labeled enemy out of principle (Western values).
I had a bad dream. Don't be afraid, bad dreams are only dreams. What a time you chose to be born in...
frontliner2
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Netherlands844 Posts
March 02 2015 11:16 GMT
#5707
Lol that FSA video you quoted @AssyrianKing.

LOL Mujahideen this AllahuAkbar that.

These guys are not the people you would want in power. Doesn't the West understand we are at war with AllahUAkbar? With Sharia?

It's a fascist supremacy ideology, seeking to enslave all mankind under sharia.

I hate how spineless the west has become.
I had a bad dream. Don't be afraid, bad dreams are only dreams. What a time you chose to be born in...
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 02 2015 18:15 GMT
#5708


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 03 2015 17:40 GMT
#5709
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
March 04 2015 04:14 GMT
#5710
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 04 2015 17:24 GMT
#5711




"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 05 2015 23:17 GMT
#5712




"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 06 2015 00:33 GMT
#5713
BAGHDAD (AP) — Iraq's Ministry of Tourism and Antiquities says Islamic State militants "bulldozed" the Nimrud archaeological site near the northern city of Mosul using heavy military vehicles.

The statement, posted on the ministry's Facebook page Thursday, does not elaborate on the extent of the damage, saying only that the group continues to "defy the will of the world and the feelings of humanity" with this latest act.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23713 Posts
March 06 2015 01:44 GMT
#5714
On March 06 2015 09:33 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
BAGHDAD (AP) — Iraq's Ministry of Tourism and Antiquities says Islamic State militants "bulldozed" the Nimrud archaeological site near the northern city of Mosul using heavy military vehicles.

The statement, posted on the ministry's Facebook page Thursday, does not elaborate on the extent of the damage, saying only that the group continues to "defy the will of the world and the feelings of humanity" with this latest act.


Source


They are some despicable wastes of humanity but I can't knock their commitment to instigating an apocalyptic war.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-06 08:38:13
March 06 2015 08:38 GMT
#5715
Tajik opposition leader Umarali Kuvatov shot dead in Istanbul, Turkey's Dogan news agency says - @Reuters
Yes im
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 06 2015 16:19 GMT
#5716


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 07 2015 17:08 GMT
#5717
Iraqi government forces and allied tribal fighters have retaken the town of Al-Baghdadi from the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) group, according to the US military.

A statement from the headquarters of the US-led coalition on Friday said security forces and tribal fighters from the Anbar region had successfully cleared Al-Baghdadi of ISIL fighters, retaking both the police station and three Euphrates River bridges.


Source





"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
URfavHO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States514 Posts
March 07 2015 19:00 GMT
#5718
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
March 07 2015 19:24 GMT
#5719
Not that I am eager to see it, but Japan, for its own sake, would be insane not to begin remilitarizing in the near future simply due to growing tensions with China.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 08 2015 16:57 GMT
#5720




"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
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