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JoeUser
Profile Joined April 2004
United States684 Posts
October 26 2004 10:34 GMT
#1
I've got a TI-83+ calculator. My friend recieved a TI-86 from another, who lost the TI-83 my friend lent to him. My friend doesn't know how to use a TI-86, and doesn't feel like learning. He wants to trade his 86 for my 83+. I've done a little research, but I still don't know if I want to or not. I'm taking (and planning to take) physics/ap physics and pre-cal/statistics over these next two years.

I know most of you are in high-school or have graduated, so I was wondering if any of you that have had experience with ti-86's, and how they compare to ti-83+'s.

P.S. Chessmaster 86 >> Chessmaster 83
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Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16987 Posts
October 26 2004 10:38 GMT
#2
Take the 86. Larger numbers are certainly better than smaller numbers in the graphing calculator range ^_^ I believe you can find that information off of the website.... I personally think the 86 is better.
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tfeign
Profile Joined June 2004
United States2980 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-10-26 10:39:42
October 26 2004 10:38 GMT
#3
Trade it.

86 > 83 plus

ti-89 > everything, including the ti-92
JoeUser
Profile Joined April 2004
United States684 Posts
October 26 2004 10:49 GMT
#4
What is better about the TI-86 (aside from prettier chess)? I'm pretty used to the TI-83+ OS, but I might need the 86 for college.
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[BOyGiRl]ShaRp
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (S)1912 Posts
October 26 2004 10:55 GMT
#5
I use the TI 83, never used TI 86
Hexatron Bba!!
tfeign
Profile Joined June 2004
United States2980 Posts
October 26 2004 10:57 GMT
#6
So CHESS is what it comes down to? omg if that's what it is then go buy yourself a gameboy sp or something.

For college you hands down need a ti-89. Nothing else comes close.
Meta
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States6225 Posts
October 26 2004 10:58 GMT
#7
standardized tests dont allow anything higher than 84 or 85 i thought. the 83+ should handle everything you need... i'd ask your instructor..
good vibes only
Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
October 26 2004 11:02 GMT
#8
SAT's allow any except for the keyboard calculators.
Heen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Korea (South)2178 Posts
October 26 2004 11:07 GMT
#9
Anything above 83, at least to me, is mainly for convenience.

But why the hell not?
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BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
October 26 2004 11:09 GMT
#10
ti83+ is better than ti86.

if you have a choice, get the ti89
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LTT
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Shakuras1095 Posts
October 26 2004 11:10 GMT
#11
On October 26 2004 19:57 tfeign wrote:For college you hands down need a ti-89. Nothing else comes close.


I'm gonna have to disagree with this. For you lower classes through calc 3, any decent professor won't allow calculators at all on exams/quizes. For your higher level stuff, you're going to most likely be using programs like Matlab, Mathmatica, Maple, Parhi, and such. While a calculator like the 89 is nice, NEED is way too strong a word.

As far as my advice, go with what you know. If you have used the 83 for years and are used to the interface, you might want to consider keeping it. If you are going to have plenty of time to get used to the new machine, take the offer. The last thing you want to be doing on your ap exam is trying to remember how to do something on your calculator.

dronebabo
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
10866 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-10-26 11:24:34
October 26 2004 11:23 GMT
#12
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MannerKiss
Profile Joined June 2003
United States2398 Posts
October 26 2004 11:29 GMT
#13
Umm...be careful before you make that choice just because, some tests will not allow you to use 85(i think) or better, because they can file share. If you can get by with the 83 and not the 86, dont trade, HOWEVER fi you can either borrow the 83 for Tests, or, can use the 86, take the 86, its extreamly good.

The 89 is my favorate even better than the 92, but I blieve i've only been able to use it on 1 test this whole year...so =/ screw that.
I want an igloo.
SurG
Profile Joined June 2003
Russian Federation798 Posts
October 26 2004 11:37 GMT
#14
It's kind of offtopic, but...
Whu would you need a calculator for tests? I don't think I ever used calculator during 6 years in university (majoring in physics), not to mention high school. There are some calculations, that require machine help, but calculator won't handle them - stuff like Matlab, as LTT pointed out, or programming are only options.
Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
October 26 2004 11:52 GMT
#15
do not, i repeat, do not trade. the ti83+ is the best _BEST_ calculator for statistics. you will find it invaluable for that course. the ti86 isnt as good as the 83+.
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KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14893 Posts
October 26 2004 11:59 GMT
#16
TI 89 can do everything with regards to statistics that hte TI 83 can do. plus more. way more. just get the statistics application, it might come with it now

and with regards to maple / matlab during tests i find that dealing wit hteh syntax of those programs is too tricky, i'd rather have my 89 which i've used for years and i'm comfortable with. realistically, u don't use maple or matlab on tests much anyways, at least i don't, since i don't take tests in computer labs
AK-Nemesis
Profile Joined December 2002
2005 Posts
October 26 2004 12:08 GMT
#17
i have no idea what the differences are, but this is what i know

haha, nothing relevent to the topic of course, but...
this is starcraft TI-83 style!

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d/l ur own version now to stop paying attention in math classes!
http://www.ticalc.org/pub/83plus/flash/games/starcraft.zip

too bad i dont have the cable...mine was TI-83..no cable and i can't find someone who has it...i'd love to try it myself
Nemesis has left the building~
JoeUser
Profile Joined April 2004
United States684 Posts
October 26 2004 12:29 GMT
#18
Yea, I heard about that, SC for TI. Somebody told me about it, but I didn't believe it untill now. It must be hard as hell to micro using the arrow keys =) It's definately going onto my calc =p

Anyway, ahh! Getting such mixed messages! Anybody who has had both want to tell me what is better?

Everybody's a fan of the 89 though. I had the opportunity to get a ti-89 last year, but I convinced my mom that the 83+ would be fine. I'm kicking myself about now...
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UniversalMoron
Profile Joined May 2003
Finland426 Posts
October 26 2004 12:30 GMT
#19
Do not trade, 83+ is sufficient for anything you'll encounter in college.
veryn0
Profile Joined October 2004
United States95 Posts
October 26 2004 12:48 GMT
#20
Ti 86 has much better games
tfeign
Profile Joined June 2004
United States2980 Posts
October 26 2004 12:57 GMT
#21
On October 26 2004 21:29 JoeUser wrote:
Yea, I heard about that, SC for TI. Somebody told me about it, but I didn't believe it untill now. It must be hard as hell to micro using the arrow keys =) It's definately going onto my calc =p

Anyway, ahh! Getting such mixed messages! Anybody who has had both want to tell me what is better?

Everybody's a fan of the 89 though. I had the opportunity to get a ti-89 last year, but I convinced my mom that the 83+ would be fine. I'm kicking myself about now...


I own every single TI calculator series from TI-83 to TI-92
Sky101
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States1758 Posts
October 26 2004 13:28 GMT
#22
Holy fuck all of you are so fucking ignorant.
Ti 86 has a faster processor.
More memory.
Better resolution.
So go ahead and keep your 83(+)... while I'm happily spotting larger and faster graphs, editing programs, editing graphs, draw funny stuff, play better games, ... on my Ti86.
Peter, Dang, pm me!!!
SoLaR[i.C]
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
United States2969 Posts
October 26 2004 13:49 GMT
#23
All I need is somebody to help me find fuckin how to find derivative of a function on my calculator. I have 86
Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
October 26 2004 14:39 GMT
#24
what the fuck
JAM THE FUCKER!
Jim
Profile Joined November 2003
Sweden1965 Posts
October 26 2004 18:23 GMT
#25
There I study we arent allowed to use any calculators you can program on. Ie 83ti isnt allowed. Most of the times we arent allowed to use any calculator.
To sup with the mighty ones, one must climb the path of daggers.
pooper-scooper
Profile Joined May 2003
United States3108 Posts
October 26 2004 18:54 GMT
#26
Math courses in college shouldn't allow calculators. If you need that stuff you will write your OWN programs in Matlab, maple or mathematica (an awesome program). Upper level math courses involve proofs and many of them... You can't do them on a calculator.

As far as physics courses goes, yes.... you need a claculator. But I was a physics major, and I only had an 83. You should learn to use the computer programs that your college endorses.
Good...Bad... Im the guy with the gun
Muhweli
Profile Joined September 2002
Finland5328 Posts
October 26 2004 18:58 GMT
#27
86 has a better processor and more memory if i recall it correctly so trading might not be a bad idea. (I have TI-86 =)
River me timbers.
HypZor
Profile Joined May 2003
Sweden20 Posts
October 26 2004 18:58 GMT
#28
What about the T82? I just bought one cause I couldnt afford anything else Oh and can it run the starcraft game?
JoeUser
Profile Joined April 2004
United States684 Posts
October 26 2004 19:08 GMT
#29
It can't. I've never seen an 82 with any games, much less mirageOS or Ion or any of the programs needed to play graphic games.

Alot of you are saying that TI-86 is worse than 83+. Why? Is it just the menu system, or is it something else.
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UniversalMoron
Profile Joined May 2003
Finland426 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-10-26 20:54:04
October 26 2004 20:52 GMT
#30
To people saying TI-86 has a better processor, you're wrong. 86 has a 6MHz ZiLOG, whereas 83+ has 8MHz ZiLOG running at 6MHz, so actually 83+ has the better processor (though they're equal in speed unless you tweak the 83+ proc to the maximum clock speed).

86 has 96K ram whereas 83+ has only 24K, but 83+ has an additional 160K Flash ROM which makes it possible to store large amounts of programs and games (it works so that you keep a certain amount of programs in RAM, and the rest in ROM. Whenever you need to use a program in the ROM, you just make room in the RAM by moving something to the ROM).

You people are forgetting that the 83+ is newer than 86. So, like i said, don't make the trade.
poor newb
Profile Joined April 2004
United States1879 Posts
October 27 2004 01:32 GMT
#31
Ti 89 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
How do you mine minerals?
Sky101
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States1758 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-10-27 02:26:54
October 27 2004 02:25 GMT
#32
On October 27 2004 05:52 UniversalMoron wrote:
To people saying TI-86 has a better processor, you're wrong. 86 has a 6MHz ZiLOG, whereas 83+ has 8MHz ZiLOG running at 6MHz, so actually 83+ has the better processor (though they're equal in speed unless you tweak the 83+ proc to the maximum clock speed).

86 has 96K ram whereas 83+ has only 24K, but 83+ has an additional 160K Flash ROM which makes it possible to store large amounts of programs and games (it works so that you keep a certain amount of programs in RAM, and the rest in ROM. Whenever you need to use a program in the ROM, you just make room in the RAM by moving something to the ROM).

You people are forgetting that the 83+ is newer than 86. So, like i said, don't make the trade.

Ermm no, first of all, the Flash Rom only allows you to store downloaded apps, that means you can't store any of your own stuff on it.
Second of all, the 83+ runs at 6MHz, not 8, so...
Third, the 86 supports all Calculus funtion whereas the 83+ is very limited, heck, it can't even do derivitive, find slope, etc... go here for more information.. http://education.ti.com/downloads/pdf/us/graphing.pdf
Fourth, the 86 has a higher resolution, how much higher you say? Think 33% higher resolution.
Fifth, the 86 supports Basic Language Programming whereas you can only do ASM with the 83+, and with a measly 24K, you can store SOOOOOOOO MUCH code with it(83+).
Sixth, the 86 allows you to custom draw and capture a graph as a file, does the 83+ let you do the same thing?
Peter, Dang, pm me!!!
loztdignity
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden176 Posts
October 27 2004 02:28 GMT
#33
Ya I had a TI-83+ as well with a cable. Nothing fancy imo, get the one with the largest number :p
no thx.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
October 27 2004 02:31 GMT
#34
Hmm at my college they told me 89s and the 92s are not allowed on any exam or quiz and that 83 and 86s are the best options for you.
Never Knows Best.
UniversalMoron
Profile Joined May 2003
Finland426 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-10-27 02:56:38
October 27 2004 02:50 GMT
#35
On October 27 2004 11:25 Sky101 wrote:

Ermm no, first of all, the Flash Rom only allows you to store downloaded apps, that means you can't store any of your own stuff on it.
Second of all, the 83+ runs at 6MHz, not 8, so...
Third, the 86 supports all Calculus funtion whereas the 83+ is very limited, heck, it can't even do derivitive, find slope, etc... go here for more information.. http://education.ti.com/downloads/pdf/us/graphing.pdf
Fourth, the 86 has a higher resolution, how much higher you say? Think 33% higher resolution.
Fifth, the 86 supports Basic Language Programming whereas you can only do ASM with the 83+, and with a measly 24K, you can store SOOOOOOOO MUCH code with it(83+).
Sixth, the 86 allows you to custom draw and capture a graph as a file, does the 83+ let you do the same thing?


First, i have a 83+ and i know exactly how the Flash ROM works. You can always free more RAM for the apps by moving stuff to the ROM. It works like a hard-drive, very convenient.

Second, if you read what i said again, i DID say 83+ runs at 6MHz, but the processor is capable of 8MHz while 86 is maximum 6 -> 83+ processor has better potential -> 83+ processor is better.
This was a reply to all the people sayinng 86 has a better processor.

Third, you must be technically challenged if you cant find the derivatives and integrals from 83+. Read the manual and try again, thanks.

Fourth, you CAN program Basic with 83+. I don't know where you get your "information" from but its so incorrect.

0_0
Profile Joined April 2004
United States2090 Posts
October 27 2004 05:18 GMT
#36
I've got an 83+ silver and it works like a charm, my hs told me to get a 83, and thats what I got. Didn't wanna bother with learning all that other extra crap. Although, one of my friends just got a TI-89 titanium, it looks so sexy lol.
dronebabo
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
10866 Posts
October 27 2004 05:22 GMT
#37
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Sky101
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States1758 Posts
October 27 2004 10:08 GMT
#38
Ok I give, you keep your 83+, I'll keep my 86, we're all happy.
Peter, Dang, pm me!!!
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9619 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-10-27 10:33:16
October 27 2004 10:31 GMT
#39
if you people need calculators to find derivatives and slopes i feel bad for you anyway..those are the two easiest things to do

edit: take that back. ive tought myself derivatives but i cant for the life of me get the derivative of a point on the upward curve of a negative parabola=(
LetMeBeWithYou
Profile Joined August 2004
Canada4254 Posts
October 27 2004 10:35 GMT
#40
WHAT? WTF SC for calculators?! Tl86 was it?

/brb walmart
All Those beneath an angry star
JoeUser
Profile Joined April 2004
United States684 Posts
October 27 2004 11:08 GMT
#41
TI-83+, not 86 =P
This thread sorta reminds me of a politcal thread. How fun!
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
October 27 2004 11:12 GMT
#42
Omfg I'm so getting one of those so I can practise SC in class.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
ItchReliever
Profile Joined April 2004
2489 Posts
October 27 2004 11:21 GMT
#43
83 is for newbies, but easy to use (hence newbie )

86 is better if you get used to it.

but get 84 since it's new! (and obviously better)
UniversalMoron
Profile Joined May 2003
Finland426 Posts
October 27 2004 12:37 GMT
#44
On October 27 2004 19:31 Gene wrote:
if you people need calculators to find derivatives and slopes i feel bad for you anyway..those are the two easiest things to do


That was not the point -_-. The point was to help JoeUser decide wether he should make the trade or not.
Sky101
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States1758 Posts
October 27 2004 13:18 GMT
#45
On October 27 2004 21:37 UniversalMoron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2004 19:31 Gene wrote:
if you people need calculators to find derivatives and slopes i feel bad for you anyway..those are the two easiest things to do


That was not the point -_-. The point was to help JoeUser decide wether he should make the trade or not.

And yet you brought it up in our argument anyway.
Peter, Dang, pm me!!!
KH1031
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States862 Posts
October 27 2004 14:18 GMT
#46
If you are not good with using the calculators, stick with the TI-83+, as it is much more popular than 86. However, if you like playing with calculators, 86 is better in terms of accuracy.
UniversalMoron
Profile Joined May 2003
Finland426 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-10-27 18:59:52
October 27 2004 18:59 GMT
#47
On October 27 2004 22:18 Sky101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2004 21:37 UniversalMoron wrote:

That was not the point -_-. The point was to help JoeUser decide wether he should make the trade or not.

And yet you brought it up in our argument anyway.


Ahh, here we go again.

My note about the derivatives and integrals was a reply to your comment:

Third, the 86 supports all Calculus funtion whereas the 83+ is very limited, heck, it can't even do derivitive, find slope, etc...


But who cares, this is a stupid argument.
JoeUser
Profile Joined April 2004
United States684 Posts
October 28 2004 00:24 GMT
#48
I decided to just stick with the 83+. There doesn't seem to be any huge advantages to the 86, and wheras I already have an 83+, and I'm used to it, I'll just stick with my old one. Thanks for replys.
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niklasTHEfro
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden419 Posts
October 28 2004 00:35 GMT
#49
i thought TI-84 was as high in numbers you can go :p
i dont have a calculator, i borrowed one from a friend
casio sfx or whatever it sucks but at least i can draw graphs
omgbnetsux
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States3749 Posts
October 28 2004 00:52 GMT
#50
Get an 89. Ti89 = sex.
NoobSaibot
Profile Joined June 2004
United States588 Posts
October 28 2004 01:11 GMT
#51
Whoever said you can store programs on the 83+ in flash ROM, are you absolutely sure about that? I stopped using calcs after release of the 86, so i havent messed with the 83+ model, but typically flash roms are just for storing updates to the calculator released via Texas Instruments, and nothing else. The memory they provide you is already equivalent to a harddrive, your programs stay via a lithium battery onboard. I dont see this need to make ROM (Read Only Memory) suddenly store files apart from the regular method, but since you use it, ill leave it at that.

As for starcraft, i wouldnt put too much faith in that. Remember we are talking calculators here guys, and individuals such as yourselves making programs for them. Trust me, nobody went and converted the entire game of starcraft with all its features and capabilities to the calculator. Hopefully this game is written in assembly so at least the graphics and such move quickly, but even so, we're talkin 30-90kilobytes of memory available on these things. This is likely just some crapped up but still fun to play version of starcraft that is nothing like the original, meant to be added to the mass of games available on calcs.

Lastly, there are hundreds of games for the ti82 (both basic and asm based), and many are ports of the higher calc versions, which run exactly the same (i.e. mario, doom style games, etc).

Yall should really check out www.ticalc.org
UniversalMoron
Profile Joined May 2003
Finland426 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-10-28 01:36:58
October 28 2004 01:34 GMT
#52
On October 28 2004 10:11 NoobSaibot wrote:
Whoever said you can store programs on the 83+ in flash ROM, are you absolutely sure about that? I stopped using calcs after release of the 86, so i havent messed with the 83+ model, but typically flash roms are just for storing updates to the calculator released via Texas Instruments, and nothing else. The memory they provide you is already equivalent to a harddrive, your programs stay via a lithium battery onboard. I dont see this need to make ROM (Read Only Memory) suddenly store files apart from the regular method, but since you use it, ill leave it at that.


In the case of 83+, the Flash ROM works exactly as I said. It acts like an archive (actually it's called Archive in the calculator UI). When you browse the contents of the memory, stuff in the RAM are displayed normally, while stuff in the archive have an asterisk in front of them. Pressing enter over any of the entries either moves them from RAM to archive, or archive to RAM. Generally, content in the archive cannot be used until you move them to the RAM. Also, when moving stuff to the calculator via a cable, you have the choice wether you want to move it to RAM or archive.

Using the name Flash ROM to describe the archive is a bit misleading, but that's the name Texas Instruments uses, so I will too.
NoobSaibot
Profile Joined June 2004
United States588 Posts
October 28 2004 01:47 GMT
#53
lies
UniversalMoron
Profile Joined May 2003
Finland426 Posts
October 28 2004 01:51 GMT
#54
-_-
Sky101
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States1758 Posts
October 28 2004 03:13 GMT
#55
This brings back memory of my Calculus class, everybody basically owned an 86 except for a few dudes (2 I think) who still used 83 and a dude who used a Casio. Basically at every break we would play tetris head to head via the cable, good times. I still remember the games that circulated, like Mario, bomberman (supports multiplayer but very buggy), tetris (sweetest multiplayer game for calculator), and all that good stuff. But the better games are for the 89, have you seen Legend of Zelda on that baby? 3 words, O-M-G. Even bomberman looks superb on the 89. I was lucky enough to own one, but not too many dudes around had them and that meant I was limited to playing with myself (somehow that came out wrong).
Peter, Dang, pm me!!!
Hot77.iEy
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Finland1486 Posts
October 28 2004 20:11 GMT
#56
Ask the professors in your school what kind of calculators are allowed in tests.
-.-
GG15-Style
Profile Joined September 2004
Panama593 Posts
January 26 2005 00:55 GMT
#57
ti 89 titanium rocks!
[GG]=best team ever
pooper-scooper
Profile Joined May 2003
United States3108 Posts
January 26 2005 01:03 GMT
#58
Umm... who cares... frankly.

Ti-83 will be good for everything you'll need to do in college.

Even if it isn't, you will be using a computer program anyway, so why have an 86.

You will be expected to learn one of the following math Programs in college, you will not be expected to know how to use an 86:
Mathematica
Matlab
Maple
Mathcad
hrmmm thats all the ones I can think of on the fly.

These programs (specifically Mathematica) >>>>> calculators.
Good...Bad... Im the guy with the gun
SojT
Profile Joined February 2004
United States789 Posts
January 26 2005 03:07 GMT
#59
All the schools i know of use the TI-83 as the standard calc. if i was you i would keep the 83 :O
=]
marmistrz
Profile Joined August 2014
9 Posts
February 28 2015 10:48 GMT
#60
I have an emulator supporting those TI calculators:

85, 86, 82, 83, 83+, 73, 83+SE

Which one is the best (in your opinion) and why (if such answer can't be given, which ones are the best for particular usage?)
Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
February 28 2015 13:10 GMT
#61
Decent 10 year old necro bump

I only have had TI 84 so can't say much about the others.
Favorite players: Gh and Zai
zdfgucker
Profile Joined August 2011
China594 Posts
February 28 2015 15:06 GMT
#62
There's no "best". If you're good at the basic calculation for which you require a TI, the cheapest (usually oldest) will do. My Uni and school still forbids anything higher than 83.
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marmistrz
Profile Joined August 2014
9 Posts
February 28 2015 15:36 GMT
#63
Well, the price plays no role because I can have all of them (I simply need to download a ROM). And uni/school forbidding neither does, as on no exam I'll be allowed to use a mobile phone
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24682 Posts
February 28 2015 15:59 GMT
#64
I always liked the TI-86. Among other reasons, it has a simple-to-use equation solver and a simple-to-use solver for systems of linear equations.

Eventually I got a TI-89 titanium for when I moved up into the world of calculus and the like.

I don't know of any advantages of the 82/83/83+ over the 86 except that some of them are newer.
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Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
February 28 2015 16:43 GMT
#65
Dat necro bump
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Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
February 28 2015 17:02 GMT
#66
TI-89 for life
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Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9154 Posts
February 28 2015 17:09 GMT
#67
83+ is cool but the 89 is way better
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marmistrz
Profile Joined August 2014
9 Posts
February 28 2015 17:56 GMT
#68
89 is unavailable for my emulator
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
March 01 2015 18:16 GMT
#69
84 served me well for a few years, but 89 is mandatory for many classes because it does so much stuff for you
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Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
March 01 2015 18:20 GMT
#70
In HS a TI-83 is going to be able to do everything you need, it is the most commonly used in class so your teachers will be teaching how to use it unlike the later versions, and higher versions aren't allowed on several tests.

Once you get to college you are likely either not going to be allowed to use a calculator, or you're going to be doing all of your work on a computer program anyway
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
March 01 2015 18:33 GMT
#71
I still remember being mad that the TI89 I used all through high school wasn't allowed in any of my uni statistics courses.
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danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
March 01 2015 18:43 GMT
#72
I didn't even have a calculator and that was all I needed to get me through a Computer Science degree. Don't get your panties in a wad over a calculator.
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11513 Posts
March 05 2015 10:10 GMT
#73
I don't get graphic calculators. I have never seen anyone use one outside of a school setting. They are this weird hybrid between a pocket calculator and an actual computer that noone seems to need, but everyone learns to use in school.

As someone aspiring to become a math teacher and giving teaching high school students 1on1 to finance my studies, i am always incredibly annoyed when someones answer to a problem is "Yeah i press F1, F3, F4, Enter". They usually have no idea what these buttons do or how any of what they are doing relates to any field of maths or real worlds situation, but they are trained to solve very specific questions using a very specific model of graphic calculator by pressing the right buttons. This is a complete waste of everyones time teaching them utterly useless skills instead of mathematic principles that are relevant to understanding what they are actually doing.
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Profile Joined March 2015
14 Posts
March 05 2015 10:51 GMT
#74
the person above me is on my wavelength... maybe were just dummies though.
Bojas
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2397 Posts
March 05 2015 11:33 GMT
#75
They're mandatory in upper level high school in the Netherlands. I never understood why either, especially since in college, where you're supposed to build upon your high school math skills, we're not allowed to use them. Not that I'd want to, Excel is amazing.
Bojas
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-05 11:34:52
March 05 2015 11:34 GMT
#76
They're mandatory in upper level high school in the Netherlands. I never understood why either, especially since in college, where you're supposed to build upon your high school math skills, we're not allowed to use them. Not that I'd want to, Excel is amazing. If anything they should start teaching Excel earlier.

Edit: sorry for double post, crappy internet in this train.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-05 13:01:29
March 05 2015 13:00 GMT
#77
I remember writing games for those back in the days. Fun times!

I remember adding a "loading" screen, and a loading bar that took 100% of the CPU. The loading screen did nothing but making sure the loading bar was moving smoothly. Just for show.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44342 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-05 15:52:00
March 05 2015 15:50 GMT
#78
In high school and undergraduate mathematics/ science, you won't ever need anything more than a TI-83+/84, and you'll use computer programs (e.g., Maple) for anything else that's more advanced or more visual. I've taught high school and college math, and I just tell my students that being able to use both a scientific and a graphing calculator during high school years is a great investment for many different STEM classes that they'll take in college.

That being said, a lot of times, calculators aren't necessary, and many courses I teach outright ban the graphing calculator (because it's too easy to program/ save formulas for cheating), but we'll often permit scientific calculators. The key is for math educators to only use technology (like calculators) to supplement and improve lessons and student comprehension; overuse of the calculator results in students relying on them as a crutch. I can't tell you how many college students I teach who can't do simple subtraction or multiplication since they've been using calculators for the past 6+ years of their lives for anything arithmetic-related -.-'
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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
March 05 2015 17:46 GMT
#79
Since a post from the year 2004 still needs advice:
Get a ti 85 instead
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
March 05 2015 18:05 GMT
#80
Get a Casio.
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
March 05 2015 18:21 GMT
#81
No, a yamaha
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Uranium
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1077 Posts
March 05 2015 19:49 GMT
#82
I still have my TI-86 from middle school (over 15 years now) and it works great. Definitely worth the money.

The primary advantage that I noticed from 86 > 83 is the more intuitive solver, as many people have stated. It saves a lot of time when you need to solve equations quick. I think it has more statistics functions as well. In my college engineering and stats courses we were allowed to use the solver/stats functions very liberally, as long as they were embedded in an overall problem-solving-flow that showed that we knew what we were doing.

Of course, by the end of school I was running simulations too complex to be done on the TI, which is where MATLAB became mandatory. Now that is a sweet, sweet program.
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Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3330 Posts
March 05 2015 22:43 GMT
#83
MATLABBBBBB yasssssss stupidest syntax that once you learn matlab you can't learn anything else!!!
Taking a C++ class after using matlab for 2 years is the worst... but then going back to matlab is rough as well (for loop initializations?)

but more to the original topic. I feel like I really don't use any upper level math functions on the calculator. The most I use is rref on matrices for homework problems but on exams and midterms, our prof just wants to know if we can do basic system of 2 equations because it's the concepts that are more important that number crunching through a calculator.
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marmistrz
Profile Joined August 2014
9 Posts
March 09 2015 19:42 GMT
#84
I do have a Casio and it serves me perfectly, it's a great calculator. Even though, I don't carry it always with me. On the other hand, I almost always have my mobile phone with me. My mobile phone has the ATI85 emulator. So I'd like to choose one calculator to use on the emulator. This way I can always have a decent calculator with me. I'm not buying anything.
URfavHO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States514 Posts
March 09 2015 20:37 GMT
#85
Having earned an Applied Math degree, I would say that the TI 89 is objectively the best calculator. It's a lifesaver for Numerical Analysis because it has certain algorithms like Runge-Kutta programmed in it. That said, I have no idea what Runge-Kutta is for and learned virtually nothing in my last two years of Math. I think the only reason not to get one is if a professor/exam doesn't allow it or if cost is prohibative.

For any aspiring actuaries out there, I would suggest getting a TI BAII financial calculator for SOA exams. Most of the study material out there uses this calculator whereas it seems that the finance/business department at my school preferred the HP brands for financial calculations.
MichaelDonovan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1453 Posts
March 09 2015 20:41 GMT
#86
Hey I'm just gonna throw this out there. Casio makes SICK calculators for cheaper than Texas Instruments. I've been using a Casio graphing calculator and I love it way more than any TI I've used.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
March 09 2015 21:14 GMT
#87
I opened this thread hoping it was a discussion on terminators.
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
March 12 2015 14:14 GMT
#88
Anyone still spending money on calculators after they're out of school is just ruining it for everyone else. Aside from familiarity there's no reason to pay that kind of money for decade old tech that has been rendered obsolete for every reason except being allowed in exams.

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beg
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
991 Posts
March 12 2015 14:51 GMT
#89
On March 10 2015 05:37 URfavHO wrote:
Having earned an Applied Math degree, I would say that the TI 89 is objectively the best calculator. It's a lifesaver for Numerical Analysis because it has certain algorithms like Runge-Kutta programmed in it. That said, I have no idea what Runge-Kutta is for and learned virtually nothing in my last two years of Math. I think the only reason not to get one is if a professor/exam doesn't allow it or if cost is prohibative.

For any aspiring actuaries out there, I would suggest getting a TI BAII financial calculator for SOA exams. Most of the study material out there uses this calculator whereas it seems that the finance/business department at my school preferred the HP brands for financial calculations.

Runge-Kutta is used to solve differential equations in physics. For example weather forecast
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24682 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-12 20:51:12
March 12 2015 20:14 GMT
#90
On March 12 2015 23:14 hariooo wrote:
Anyone still spending money on calculators after they're out of school is just ruining it for everyone else. Aside from familiarity there's no reason to pay that kind of money for decade old tech that has been rendered obsolete for every reason except being allowed in exams.

So if I'm sitting at my desk doing math/physics/whatever, and I want to perform calculations of various types (the types that TI's can do but simple scientific calculators can't do), what do you propose as an alternative to using a TI-83,86,89,etc?

edit: I see I got a response to my question but I'll wait for hariooo to answer the question before I reply.
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11513 Posts
March 12 2015 20:48 GMT
#91
Use a PC or Laptop instead of having to fiddle around with a sucky calculator on a small window with a bad input device.

I don't really see any situation in which i would want to do calculations that i can not do with a simply calculator, but could not simply use a PC instead. That also has the advantage of being able to save what you are doing, print it if necessary, input it into whatever you actually need the calculations for, etc...
Uranium
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1077 Posts
March 12 2015 20:59 GMT
#92
On March 13 2015 05:14 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 23:14 hariooo wrote:
Anyone still spending money on calculators after they're out of school is just ruining it for everyone else. Aside from familiarity there's no reason to pay that kind of money for decade old tech that has been rendered obsolete for every reason except being allowed in exams.

So if I'm sitting at my desk doing math/physics/whatever, and I want to perform calculations of various types (the types that TI's can do but simple scientific calculators can't do), what do you propose as an alternative to using a TI-83,86,89,etc?

edit: I see I got a response to my question but I'll wait for hariooo to answer the question before I reply.

Again if you want to perform really stronk calculations you are going to need a real software like MATLAB or Mathematica, which is NOT cheaper than a TI-89 unless you get a student license.

Although I'm betting there are probably some free/open source computer math/graphic programs, they just might not be as feature complete.
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Fi0na
Profile Joined February 2014
0 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-12 21:11:24
March 12 2015 21:07 GMT
#93
On March 13 2015 05:14 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 23:14 hariooo wrote:
Anyone still spending money on calculators after they're out of school is just ruining it for everyone else. Aside from familiarity there's no reason to pay that kind of money for decade old tech that has been rendered obsolete for every reason except being allowed in exams.

So if I'm sitting at my desk doing math/physics/whatever, and I want to perform calculations of various types (the types that TI's can do but simple scientific calculators can't do), what do you propose as an alternative to using a TI-83,86,89,etc?

edit: I see I got a response to my question but I'll wait for hariooo to answer the question before I reply.


Ti-84+
I still keep mine around from back when I was in school. But usually I'm working on the computer anyway and prefer to use it for calculations. It also does not run on batteries. I do not really use the Ti-84+ anymore. Ever. But I sure do have lots of sweet memories of programming it and playing games and actually figuring out what the buttons do that the school told me to press.
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Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
March 13 2015 01:17 GMT
#94
On March 13 2015 05:14 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 23:14 hariooo wrote:
Anyone still spending money on calculators after they're out of school is just ruining it for everyone else. Aside from familiarity there's no reason to pay that kind of money for decade old tech that has been rendered obsolete for every reason except being allowed in exams.

So if I'm sitting at my desk doing math/physics/whatever, and I want to perform calculations of various types (the types that TI's can do but simple scientific calculators can't do), what do you propose as an alternative to using a TI-83,86,89,etc?

edit: I see I got a response to my question but I'll wait for hariooo to answer the question before I reply.

R
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
March 13 2015 15:12 GMT
#95
On March 13 2015 05:14 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 23:14 hariooo wrote:
Anyone still spending money on calculators after they're out of school is just ruining it for everyone else. Aside from familiarity there's no reason to pay that kind of money for decade old tech that has been rendered obsolete for every reason except being allowed in exams.

So if I'm sitting at my desk doing math/physics/whatever, and I want to perform calculations of various types (the types that TI's can do but simple scientific calculators can't do), what do you propose as an alternative to using a TI-83,86,89,etc?

edit: I see I got a response to my question but I'll wait for hariooo to answer the question before I reply.


Not a TI but there's an app for iOS for the BAII-Plus financial calculator that I pirated during school before I had to pony up cash to get one for exams. It worked better and I didn't have to carry an extra brick around. There's no value in the internal components or the physical product. It's just that the format and setup of the calculator is familiar to people who were forced into using them during school.

Even if people don't want to learn a new app that works on their tablet/laptop/whatever, an emulator is a thousand times more convenient. But because of the ways exams are locked down, I don't see that market going away for a long time. I'm not saying the calculators themselves aren't useful but even basic advancements (i.e. bringing them into the modern era by making the software platform agnostic) are stifled because, guess what, you dumb bitches (including me) are/were forced into buying them.
Chimpalimp
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1135 Posts
March 13 2015 18:11 GMT
#96
I used an 83 through all of high school and college. I got a lot of mileage out of that calculator and I would recommend the 83+ to anyone going into something mathy like engineering. But in all honesty I mainly used my calculator for simple four function operations, storing numbers/constants, and imaginary numbers/polar coordinates. You can go pretty far without a calculator, but it's nice for mundane calculations.

For desk math/science you can get by with inputting numbers into google and letting it do the calculation. However, for more complex equations you can either do some programming (MATLAB/R/whatever floats your boat) or use MathCAD (equation solver). I only used MathCAD a little (so I don't know all of its shortcomings) but it seemed pretty spiffy. MathCAD doesn't require any programming knowledge and it works a lot like MS Word's equation editor. It can be a bit slow inputting all the variables and stuff, but the end product looks really nice. You can print out the work page and it will look like some nicely done LaTeX.

In my opinion, you should use a good calculator for exams and for homework. But for desk work, I certainly wouldn't go as far as using a calculator app if you are capable of using an equation solver + google.
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oGoZenob
Profile Joined December 2011
France1503 Posts
March 13 2015 18:53 GMT
#97
On March 06 2015 03:05 ZenithM wrote:
Get a Casio.

filthy casual !
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Mistakes
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1102 Posts
March 13 2015 20:34 GMT
#98
On March 14 2015 03:53 oGoZenob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2015 03:05 ZenithM wrote:
Get a Casio.

filthy casual !


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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24682 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-13 20:51:27
March 13 2015 20:50 GMT
#99
On March 13 2015 05:48 Simberto wrote:
Use a PC or Laptop instead of having to fiddle around with a sucky calculator on a small window with a bad input device.
My computer isn't at a desk where I would normally be doing math/sciency stuff. I don't have room next to my keyboard to put my work at my computer desk, either. The 'bad input device' doesn't seem to slow me down; I input math faster on a TI than on any other device. Even with practice, I'm not sure what device would go quicker except for typing in lots of letters which I usually don't have to do. The small window doesn't usually bother me either. I admit, having a bigger screen is generally good.

I do have a netbook and a tablet, but I find the calculator more portable, starts up much more quickly (1 second?), and takes up less room if I store it in a place where I generally do math. The power requirements of a TI are also negligible compared to other devices. I change the AAA batteries every year or two or whatever.

I don't really see any situation in which i would want to do calculations that i can not do with a simply calculator, but could not simply use a PC instead. That also has the advantage of being able to save what you are doing, print it if necessary, input it into whatever you actually need the calculations for, etc...
If I'm ever working on something where those features are important (i.e., print, save lots of input, import information from a separate source) I sit at my computer desk, but it is not optimized for such a purpose... I'm either leaning on a tray table or reaching over my keyboard or something equally uncomfortable (your experience may differ). Note that I am simply pointing out that I personally find the TI to be a good solution to my problems... not that everybody should prefer TIs over other solutions.

On March 13 2015 10:17 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 05:14 micronesia wrote:
On March 12 2015 23:14 hariooo wrote:
Anyone still spending money on calculators after they're out of school is just ruining it for everyone else. Aside from familiarity there's no reason to pay that kind of money for decade old tech that has been rendered obsolete for every reason except being allowed in exams.

So if I'm sitting at my desk doing math/physics/whatever, and I want to perform calculations of various types (the types that TI's can do but simple scientific calculators can't do), what do you propose as an alternative to using a TI-83,86,89,etc?

edit: I see I got a response to my question but I'll wait for hariooo to answer the question before I reply.

R

Putting aside the fact that I have no idea how to use R, as I mentioned above, I don't want to sit at my computer desk when doing most math/sciency stuff. And, I can't bring R with me unless I have a laptop/tablet, which I also addressed above. For some people, that is a good solution. In my case, I'm not even allowed to bring a phone/tablet in with me when I do much of my mathy/sciency work.

On March 14 2015 00:12 hariooo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2015 05:14 micronesia wrote:
On March 12 2015 23:14 hariooo wrote:
Anyone still spending money on calculators after they're out of school is just ruining it for everyone else. Aside from familiarity there's no reason to pay that kind of money for decade old tech that has been rendered obsolete for every reason except being allowed in exams.

So if I'm sitting at my desk doing math/physics/whatever, and I want to perform calculations of various types (the types that TI's can do but simple scientific calculators can't do), what do you propose as an alternative to using a TI-83,86,89,etc?

edit: I see I got a response to my question but I'll wait for hariooo to answer the question before I reply.


Not a TI but there's an app for iOS
Personally, I don't have an iOS device. I'd assume there is equivalent software for Android.
for the BAII-Plus financial calculator that I pirated during school before I had to pony up cash to get one for exams. It worked better and I didn't have to carry an extra brick around.
I actually am not allowed to bring my phone with me to places where I do much of my work, but that's an unusual circumstance. I try to leave a calculator at home, and one at work, so I don't need to carry them around all the time :p

There's no value in the internal components or the physical product. It's just that the format and setup of the calculator is familiar to people who were forced into using them during school.
What is a good alternative? As I explained above, a netbook/tablet isn't good for me. Even when I'm home I'd rather not use my phone for it. I find the input for a TI is easier than trying to do it on a phone (I do purposefully get phones with slide out keyboards so I don't need to wrestle with awful touchscreens all the time, but they are meant more for typing words than math expressions). If you prefer a phone, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that.

Even if people don't want to learn a new app that works on their tablet/laptop/whatever, an emulator is a thousand times more convenient.
As I was saying, I don't find it more convenient at all, let alone 1000 times more convenient. I explained above why it's easier to grab a ti off my desk and start doing calculations 2 seconds later than to go through the process of getting and using my portable computer (since my main PC is not set up to allow for lots of handwritten work at the desk).

But because of the ways exams are locked down, I don't see that market going away for a long time. I'm not saying the calculators themselves aren't useful but even basic advancements (i.e. bringing them into the modern era by making the software platform agnostic) are stifled because, guess what, you dumb bitches (including me) are/were forced into buying them.
I'm not going to argue for a moment they couldn't be made much better. However, that is not a legitimate argument for why I shouldn't find a TI the optimal solution for my personal post-school needs.

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Alcathous
Profile Joined December 2014
Netherlands219 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-13 20:52:38
March 13 2015 20:50 GMT
#100
Anyone know about any studies into the free market using Ti's as an example?

Do they obey Moore's law? If not, why?

I mean, I bought the same one that are for sale nowadays when we were still using discmans. And at least back then it was priced in gulden, not it's the same number in euro.
A3th3r
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
United States319 Posts
March 13 2015 22:07 GMT
#101
TI-86! Used one of those bad boys to acquire my engineer degree & sell software. The games you could get on there were WAY advanced, like there was a real live Mario game you could get with a level editor & everything. The TI-86 is a fun piece of hardware with a TONS of capability.
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docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
March 13 2015 23:00 GMT
#102
On March 14 2015 03:53 oGoZenob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2015 03:05 ZenithM wrote:
Get a Casio.

filthy casual !

Probably the best reply in the thread so far hahahaha
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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
March 14 2015 03:09 GMT
#103
TI-86. No question. Still have mine.
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hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
March 15 2015 05:48 GMT
#104
On March 14 2015 07:07 A3th3r wrote:
TI-86! Used one of those bad boys to acquire my engineer degree & sell software. The games you could get on there were WAY advanced, like there was a real live Mario game you could get with a level editor & everything. The TI-86 is a fun piece of hardware with a TONS of capability.


I mean for the same price you could get an entry level smartphone with a billion times more capability lol. And there's obviously no non-business reason not to port the software to modern hardware. I obviously think it's possible for someone to have uses for it, I just don't understand the love for a company whose entire business model is to monopolize the education market with an obsolete device to maintain professional relevance.
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
March 15 2015 06:26 GMT
#105
ahahhahha omg what is this bump howd I miss this 541 weeks ago ROFL
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