I know most of you are in high-school or have graduated, so I was wondering if any of you that have had experience with ti-86's, and how they compare to ti-83+'s.
P.S. Chessmaster 86 >> Chessmaster 83
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JoeUser
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I know most of you are in high-school or have graduated, so I was wondering if any of you that have had experience with ti-86's, and how they compare to ti-83+'s. P.S. Chessmaster 86 >> Chessmaster 83 | ||
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tfeign
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86 > 83 plus ti-89 > everything, including the ti-92 | ||
JoeUser
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[BOyGiRl]ShaRp
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tfeign
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For college you hands down need a ti-89. Nothing else comes close. | ||
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Heen
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But why the hell not? | ||
BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
if you have a choice, get the ti89 | ||
LTT
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On October 26 2004 19:57 tfeign wrote:For college you hands down need a ti-89. Nothing else comes close. I'm gonna have to disagree with this. For you lower classes through calc 3, any decent professor won't allow calculators at all on exams/quizes. For your higher level stuff, you're going to most likely be using programs like Matlab, Mathmatica, Maple, Parhi, and such. While a calculator like the 89 is nice, NEED is way too strong a word. As far as my advice, go with what you know. If you have used the 83 for years and are used to the interface, you might want to consider keeping it. If you are going to have plenty of time to get used to the new machine, take the offer. The last thing you want to be doing on your ap exam is trying to remember how to do something on your calculator. | ||
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MannerKiss
United States2398 Posts
The 89 is my favorate even better than the 92, but I blieve i've only been able to use it on 1 test this whole year...so =/ screw that. | ||
SurG
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Whu would you need a calculator for tests? I don't think I ever used calculator during 6 years in university (majoring in physics), not to mention high school. There are some calculations, that require machine help, but calculator won't handle them - stuff like Matlab, as LTT pointed out, or programming are only options. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14892 Posts
and with regards to maple / matlab during tests i find that dealing wit hteh syntax of those programs is too tricky, i'd rather have my 89 which i've used for years and i'm comfortable with. realistically, u don't use maple or matlab on tests much anyways, at least i don't, since i don't take tests in computer labs | ||
AK-Nemesis
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haha, nothing relevent to the topic of course, but... this is starcraft TI-83 style! ![]() ![]() d/l ur own version now to stop paying attention in math classes! http://www.ticalc.org/pub/83plus/flash/games/starcraft.zip too bad i dont have the cable...mine was TI-83..no cable and i can't find someone who has it...i'd love to try it myself ![]() | ||
JoeUser
United States684 Posts
Anyway, ahh! Getting such mixed messages! Anybody who has had both want to tell me what is better? Everybody's a fan of the 89 though. I had the opportunity to get a ti-89 last year, but I convinced my mom that the 83+ would be fine. I'm kicking myself about now... | ||
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tfeign
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On October 26 2004 21:29 JoeUser wrote: Yea, I heard about that, SC for TI. Somebody told me about it, but I didn't believe it untill now. It must be hard as hell to micro using the arrow keys =) It's definately going onto my calc =p Anyway, ahh! Getting such mixed messages! Anybody who has had both want to tell me what is better? Everybody's a fan of the 89 though. I had the opportunity to get a ti-89 last year, but I convinced my mom that the 83+ would be fine. I'm kicking myself about now... I own every single TI calculator series from TI-83 to TI-92 | ||
Sky101
United States1758 Posts
Ti 86 has a faster processor. More memory. Better resolution. So go ahead and keep your 83(+)... while I'm happily spotting larger and faster graphs, editing programs, editing graphs, draw funny stuff, play better games, ... on my Ti86. | ||
SoLaR[i.C]
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pooper-scooper
United States3108 Posts
As far as physics courses goes, yes.... you need a claculator. But I was a physics major, and I only had an 83. You should learn to use the computer programs that your college endorses. | ||
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JoeUser
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Alot of you are saying that TI-86 is worse than 83+. Why? Is it just the menu system, or is it something else. | ||
UniversalMoron
Finland426 Posts
86 has 96K ram whereas 83+ has only 24K, but 83+ has an additional 160K Flash ROM which makes it possible to store large amounts of programs and games (it works so that you keep a certain amount of programs in RAM, and the rest in ROM. Whenever you need to use a program in the ROM, you just make room in the RAM by moving something to the ROM). You people are forgetting that the 83+ is newer than 86. So, like i said, don't make the trade. | ||
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Sky101
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On October 27 2004 05:52 UniversalMoron wrote: To people saying TI-86 has a better processor, you're wrong. 86 has a 6MHz ZiLOG, whereas 83+ has 8MHz ZiLOG running at 6MHz, so actually 83+ has the better processor (though they're equal in speed unless you tweak the 83+ proc to the maximum clock speed). 86 has 96K ram whereas 83+ has only 24K, but 83+ has an additional 160K Flash ROM which makes it possible to store large amounts of programs and games (it works so that you keep a certain amount of programs in RAM, and the rest in ROM. Whenever you need to use a program in the ROM, you just make room in the RAM by moving something to the ROM). You people are forgetting that the 83+ is newer than 86. So, like i said, don't make the trade. Ermm no, first of all, the Flash Rom only allows you to store downloaded apps, that means you can't store any of your own stuff on it. Second of all, the 83+ runs at 6MHz, not 8, so... Third, the 86 supports all Calculus funtion whereas the 83+ is very limited, heck, it can't even do derivitive, find slope, etc... go here for more information.. http://education.ti.com/downloads/pdf/us/graphing.pdf Fourth, the 86 has a higher resolution, how much higher you say? Think 33% higher resolution. Fifth, the 86 supports Basic Language Programming whereas you can only do ASM with the 83+, and with a measly 24K, you can store SOOOOOOOO MUCH code with it(83+). Sixth, the 86 allows you to custom draw and capture a graph as a file, does the 83+ let you do the same thing? | ||
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UniversalMoron
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On October 27 2004 11:25 Sky101 wrote: Ermm no, first of all, the Flash Rom only allows you to store downloaded apps, that means you can't store any of your own stuff on it. Second of all, the 83+ runs at 6MHz, not 8, so... Third, the 86 supports all Calculus funtion whereas the 83+ is very limited, heck, it can't even do derivitive, find slope, etc... go here for more information.. http://education.ti.com/downloads/pdf/us/graphing.pdf Fourth, the 86 has a higher resolution, how much higher you say? Think 33% higher resolution. Fifth, the 86 supports Basic Language Programming whereas you can only do ASM with the 83+, and with a measly 24K, you can store SOOOOOOOO MUCH code with it(83+). Sixth, the 86 allows you to custom draw and capture a graph as a file, does the 83+ let you do the same thing? First, i have a 83+ and i know exactly how the Flash ROM works. You can always free more RAM for the apps by moving stuff to the ROM. It works like a hard-drive, very convenient. Second, if you read what i said again, i DID say 83+ runs at 6MHz, but the processor is capable of 8MHz while 86 is maximum 6 -> 83+ processor has better potential -> 83+ processor is better. This was a reply to all the people sayinng 86 has a better processor. Third, you must be technically challenged if you cant find the derivatives and integrals from 83+. Read the manual and try again, thanks. Fourth, you CAN program Basic with 83+. I don't know where you get your "information" from but its so incorrect. | ||
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brian
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![]() edit: take that back. ive tought myself derivatives but i cant for the life of me get the derivative of a point on the upward curve of a negative parabola=( | ||
LetMeBeWithYou
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/brb walmart | ||
JoeUser
United States684 Posts
This thread sorta reminds me of a politcal thread. How fun! | ||
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ItchReliever
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UniversalMoron
Finland426 Posts
On October 27 2004 19:31 Gene wrote: if you people need calculators to find derivatives and slopes i feel bad for you anyway..those are the two easiest things to do ![]() That was not the point -_-. The point was to help JoeUser decide wether he should make the trade or not. | ||
Sky101
United States1758 Posts
On October 27 2004 21:37 UniversalMoron wrote: Show nested quote + On October 27 2004 19:31 Gene wrote: if you people need calculators to find derivatives and slopes i feel bad for you anyway..those are the two easiest things to do ![]() That was not the point -_-. The point was to help JoeUser decide wether he should make the trade or not. And yet you brought it up in our argument anyway. | ||
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UniversalMoron
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On October 27 2004 22:18 Sky101 wrote: Show nested quote + On October 27 2004 21:37 UniversalMoron wrote: That was not the point -_-. The point was to help JoeUser decide wether he should make the trade or not. And yet you brought it up in our argument anyway. Ahh, here we go again. My note about the derivatives and integrals was a reply to your comment: Third, the 86 supports all Calculus funtion whereas the 83+ is very limited, heck, it can't even do derivitive, find slope, etc... But who cares, this is a stupid argument. | ||
JoeUser
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niklasTHEfro
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i dont have a calculator, i borrowed one from a friend casio sfx or whatever it sucks but at least i can draw graphs | ||
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NoobSaibot
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As for starcraft, i wouldnt put too much faith in that. Remember we are talking calculators here guys, and individuals such as yourselves making programs for them. Trust me, nobody went and converted the entire game of starcraft with all its features and capabilities to the calculator. Hopefully this game is written in assembly so at least the graphics and such move quickly, but even so, we're talkin 30-90kilobytes of memory available on these things. This is likely just some crapped up but still fun to play version of starcraft that is nothing like the original, meant to be added to the mass of games available on calcs. Lastly, there are hundreds of games for the ti82 (both basic and asm based), and many are ports of the higher calc versions, which run exactly the same (i.e. mario, doom style games, etc). Yall should really check out www.ticalc.org | ||
UniversalMoron
Finland426 Posts
On October 28 2004 10:11 NoobSaibot wrote: Whoever said you can store programs on the 83+ in flash ROM, are you absolutely sure about that? I stopped using calcs after release of the 86, so i havent messed with the 83+ model, but typically flash roms are just for storing updates to the calculator released via Texas Instruments, and nothing else. The memory they provide you is already equivalent to a harddrive, your programs stay via a lithium battery onboard. I dont see this need to make ROM (Read Only Memory) suddenly store files apart from the regular method, but since you use it, ill leave it at that. In the case of 83+, the Flash ROM works exactly as I said. It acts like an archive (actually it's called Archive in the calculator UI). When you browse the contents of the memory, stuff in the RAM are displayed normally, while stuff in the archive have an asterisk in front of them. Pressing enter over any of the entries either moves them from RAM to archive, or archive to RAM. Generally, content in the archive cannot be used until you move them to the RAM. Also, when moving stuff to the calculator via a cable, you have the choice wether you want to move it to RAM or archive. Using the name Flash ROM to describe the archive is a bit misleading, but that's the name Texas Instruments uses, so I will too. | ||
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pooper-scooper
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Ti-83 will be good for everything you'll need to do in college. Even if it isn't, you will be using a computer program anyway, so why have an 86. You will be expected to learn one of the following math Programs in college, you will not be expected to know how to use an 86: Mathematica Matlab Maple Mathcad hrmmm thats all the ones I can think of on the fly. These programs (specifically Mathematica) >>>>> calculators. | ||
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85, 86, 82, 83, 83+, 73, 83+SE Which one is the best (in your opinion) and why (if such answer can't be given, which ones are the best for particular usage?) | ||
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micronesia
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Eventually I got a TI-89 titanium for when I moved up into the world of calculus and the like. I don't know of any advantages of the 82/83/83+ over the 86 except that some of them are newer. | ||
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Once you get to college you are likely either not going to be allowed to use a calculator, or you're going to be doing all of your work on a computer program anyway | ||
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Simberto
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As someone aspiring to become a math teacher and giving teaching high school students 1on1 to finance my studies, i am always incredibly annoyed when someones answer to a problem is "Yeah i press F1, F3, F4, Enter". They usually have no idea what these buttons do or how any of what they are doing relates to any field of maths or real worlds situation, but they are trained to solve very specific questions using a very specific model of graphic calculator by pressing the right buttons. This is a complete waste of everyones time teaching them utterly useless skills instead of mathematic principles that are relevant to understanding what they are actually doing. | ||
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Bojas
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Edit: sorry for double post, crappy internet in this train. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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That being said, a lot of times, calculators aren't necessary, and many courses I teach outright ban the graphing calculator (because it's too easy to program/ save formulas for cheating), but we'll often permit scientific calculators. The key is for math educators to only use technology (like calculators) to supplement and improve lessons and student comprehension; overuse of the calculator results in students relying on them as a crutch. I can't tell you how many college students I teach who can't do simple subtraction or multiplication since they've been using calculators for the past 6+ years of their lives for anything arithmetic-related -.-' | ||
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Uranium
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The primary advantage that I noticed from 86 > 83 is the more intuitive solver, as many people have stated. It saves a lot of time when you need to solve equations quick. I think it has more statistics functions as well. In my college engineering and stats courses we were allowed to use the solver/stats functions very liberally, as long as they were embedded in an overall problem-solving-flow that showed that we knew what we were doing. Of course, by the end of school I was running simulations too complex to be done on the TI, which is where MATLAB became mandatory. Now that is a sweet, sweet program. | ||
Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3329 Posts
Taking a C++ class after using matlab for 2 years is the worst... but then going back to matlab is rough as well (for loop initializations?) but more to the original topic. I feel like I really don't use any upper level math functions on the calculator. The most I use is rref on matrices for homework problems but on exams and midterms, our prof just wants to know if we can do basic system of 2 equations because it's the concepts that are more important that number crunching through a calculator. | ||
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URfavHO
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For any aspiring actuaries out there, I would suggest getting a TI BAII financial calculator for SOA exams. Most of the study material out there uses this calculator whereas it seems that the finance/business department at my school preferred the HP brands for financial calculations. | ||
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beg
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On March 10 2015 05:37 URfavHO wrote: Having earned an Applied Math degree, I would say that the TI 89 is objectively the best calculator. It's a lifesaver for Numerical Analysis because it has certain algorithms like Runge-Kutta programmed in it. That said, I have no idea what Runge-Kutta is for and learned virtually nothing in my last two years of Math. I think the only reason not to get one is if a professor/exam doesn't allow it or if cost is prohibative. For any aspiring actuaries out there, I would suggest getting a TI BAII financial calculator for SOA exams. Most of the study material out there uses this calculator whereas it seems that the finance/business department at my school preferred the HP brands for financial calculations. Runge-Kutta is used to solve differential equations in physics. For example weather forecast ![]() | ||
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micronesia
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On March 12 2015 23:14 hariooo wrote: Anyone still spending money on calculators after they're out of school is just ruining it for everyone else. Aside from familiarity there's no reason to pay that kind of money for decade old tech that has been rendered obsolete for every reason except being allowed in exams. So if I'm sitting at my desk doing math/physics/whatever, and I want to perform calculations of various types (the types that TI's can do but simple scientific calculators can't do), what do you propose as an alternative to using a TI-83,86,89,etc? edit: I see I got a response to my question but I'll wait for hariooo to answer the question before I reply. | ||
Simberto
Germany11397 Posts
I don't really see any situation in which i would want to do calculations that i can not do with a simply calculator, but could not simply use a PC instead. That also has the advantage of being able to save what you are doing, print it if necessary, input it into whatever you actually need the calculations for, etc... | ||
Uranium
United States1077 Posts
On March 13 2015 05:14 micronesia wrote: Show nested quote + On March 12 2015 23:14 hariooo wrote: Anyone still spending money on calculators after they're out of school is just ruining it for everyone else. Aside from familiarity there's no reason to pay that kind of money for decade old tech that has been rendered obsolete for every reason except being allowed in exams. So if I'm sitting at my desk doing math/physics/whatever, and I want to perform calculations of various types (the types that TI's can do but simple scientific calculators can't do), what do you propose as an alternative to using a TI-83,86,89,etc? edit: I see I got a response to my question but I'll wait for hariooo to answer the question before I reply. Again if you want to perform really stronk calculations you are going to need a real software like MATLAB or Mathematica, which is NOT cheaper than a TI-89 unless you get a student license. Although I'm betting there are probably some free/open source computer math/graphic programs, they just might not be as feature complete. | ||
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On March 13 2015 05:14 micronesia wrote: Show nested quote + On March 12 2015 23:14 hariooo wrote: Anyone still spending money on calculators after they're out of school is just ruining it for everyone else. Aside from familiarity there's no reason to pay that kind of money for decade old tech that has been rendered obsolete for every reason except being allowed in exams. So if I'm sitting at my desk doing math/physics/whatever, and I want to perform calculations of various types (the types that TI's can do but simple scientific calculators can't do), what do you propose as an alternative to using a TI-83,86,89,etc? edit: I see I got a response to my question but I'll wait for hariooo to answer the question before I reply. Ti-84+ I still keep mine around from back when I was in school. But usually I'm working on the computer anyway and prefer to use it for calculations. It also does not run on batteries. I do not really use the Ti-84+ anymore. Ever. But I sure do have lots of sweet memories of programming it and playing games and actually figuring out what the buttons do that the school told me to press. | ||
Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On March 13 2015 05:14 micronesia wrote: Show nested quote + On March 12 2015 23:14 hariooo wrote: Anyone still spending money on calculators after they're out of school is just ruining it for everyone else. Aside from familiarity there's no reason to pay that kind of money for decade old tech that has been rendered obsolete for every reason except being allowed in exams. So if I'm sitting at my desk doing math/physics/whatever, and I want to perform calculations of various types (the types that TI's can do but simple scientific calculators can't do), what do you propose as an alternative to using a TI-83,86,89,etc? edit: I see I got a response to my question but I'll wait for hariooo to answer the question before I reply. R | ||
hariooo
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On March 13 2015 05:14 micronesia wrote: Show nested quote + On March 12 2015 23:14 hariooo wrote: Anyone still spending money on calculators after they're out of school is just ruining it for everyone else. Aside from familiarity there's no reason to pay that kind of money for decade old tech that has been rendered obsolete for every reason except being allowed in exams. So if I'm sitting at my desk doing math/physics/whatever, and I want to perform calculations of various types (the types that TI's can do but simple scientific calculators can't do), what do you propose as an alternative to using a TI-83,86,89,etc? edit: I see I got a response to my question but I'll wait for hariooo to answer the question before I reply. Not a TI but there's an app for iOS for the BAII-Plus financial calculator that I pirated during school before I had to pony up cash to get one for exams. It worked better and I didn't have to carry an extra brick around. There's no value in the internal components or the physical product. It's just that the format and setup of the calculator is familiar to people who were forced into using them during school. Even if people don't want to learn a new app that works on their tablet/laptop/whatever, an emulator is a thousand times more convenient. But because of the ways exams are locked down, I don't see that market going away for a long time. I'm not saying the calculators themselves aren't useful but even basic advancements (i.e. bringing them into the modern era by making the software platform agnostic) are stifled because, guess what, you dumb bitches (including me) are/were forced into buying them. | ||
Chimpalimp
United States1135 Posts
For desk math/science you can get by with inputting numbers into google and letting it do the calculation. However, for more complex equations you can either do some programming (MATLAB/R/whatever floats your boat) or use MathCAD (equation solver). I only used MathCAD a little (so I don't know all of its shortcomings) but it seemed pretty spiffy. MathCAD doesn't require any programming knowledge and it works a lot like MS Word's equation editor. It can be a bit slow inputting all the variables and stuff, but the end product looks really nice. You can print out the work page and it will look like some nicely done LaTeX. In my opinion, you should use a good calculator for exams and for homework. But for desk work, I certainly wouldn't go as far as using a calculator app if you are capable of using an equation solver + google. | ||
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On March 06 2015 03:05 ZenithM wrote: Get a Casio. filthy casual ! | ||
Mistakes
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On March 14 2015 03:53 oGoZenob wrote: filthy casual ! | ||
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micronesia
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On March 13 2015 05:48 Simberto wrote: My computer isn't at a desk where I would normally be doing math/sciency stuff. I don't have room next to my keyboard to put my work at my computer desk, either. The 'bad input device' doesn't seem to slow me down; I input math faster on a TI than on any other device. Even with practice, I'm not sure what device would go quicker except for typing in lots of letters which I usually don't have to do. The small window doesn't usually bother me either. I admit, having a bigger screen is generally good.Use a PC or Laptop instead of having to fiddle around with a sucky calculator on a small window with a bad input device. I do have a netbook and a tablet, but I find the calculator more portable, starts up much more quickly (1 second?), and takes up less room if I store it in a place where I generally do math. The power requirements of a TI are also negligible compared to other devices. I change the AAA batteries every year or two or whatever. I don't really see any situation in which i would want to do calculations that i can not do with a simply calculator, but could not simply use a PC instead. That also has the advantage of being able to save what you are doing, print it if necessary, input it into whatever you actually need the calculations for, etc... If I'm ever working on something where those features are important (i.e., print, save lots of input, import information from a separate source) I sit at my computer desk, but it is not optimized for such a purpose... I'm either leaning on a tray table or reaching over my keyboard or something equally uncomfortable (your experience may differ). Note that I am simply pointing out that I personally find the TI to be a good solution to my problems... not that everybody should prefer TIs over other solutions.On March 13 2015 10:17 Cascade wrote: Show nested quote + On March 13 2015 05:14 micronesia wrote: On March 12 2015 23:14 hariooo wrote: Anyone still spending money on calculators after they're out of school is just ruining it for everyone else. Aside from familiarity there's no reason to pay that kind of money for decade old tech that has been rendered obsolete for every reason except being allowed in exams. So if I'm sitting at my desk doing math/physics/whatever, and I want to perform calculations of various types (the types that TI's can do but simple scientific calculators can't do), what do you propose as an alternative to using a TI-83,86,89,etc? edit: I see I got a response to my question but I'll wait for hariooo to answer the question before I reply. R Putting aside the fact that I have no idea how to use R, as I mentioned above, I don't want to sit at my computer desk when doing most math/sciency stuff. And, I can't bring R with me unless I have a laptop/tablet, which I also addressed above. For some people, that is a good solution. In my case, I'm not even allowed to bring a phone/tablet in with me when I do much of my mathy/sciency work. On March 14 2015 00:12 hariooo wrote: Personally, I don't have an iOS device. I'd assume there is equivalent software for Android.Show nested quote + On March 13 2015 05:14 micronesia wrote: On March 12 2015 23:14 hariooo wrote: Anyone still spending money on calculators after they're out of school is just ruining it for everyone else. Aside from familiarity there's no reason to pay that kind of money for decade old tech that has been rendered obsolete for every reason except being allowed in exams. So if I'm sitting at my desk doing math/physics/whatever, and I want to perform calculations of various types (the types that TI's can do but simple scientific calculators can't do), what do you propose as an alternative to using a TI-83,86,89,etc? edit: I see I got a response to my question but I'll wait for hariooo to answer the question before I reply. Not a TI but there's an app for iOS for the BAII-Plus financial calculator that I pirated during school before I had to pony up cash to get one for exams. It worked better and I didn't have to carry an extra brick around. I actually am not allowed to bring my phone with me to places where I do much of my work, but that's an unusual circumstance. I try to leave a calculator at home, and one at work, so I don't need to carry them around all the time :pThere's no value in the internal components or the physical product. It's just that the format and setup of the calculator is familiar to people who were forced into using them during school. What is a good alternative? As I explained above, a netbook/tablet isn't good for me. Even when I'm home I'd rather not use my phone for it. I find the input for a TI is easier than trying to do it on a phone (I do purposefully get phones with slide out keyboards so I don't need to wrestle with awful touchscreens all the time, but they are meant more for typing words than math expressions). If you prefer a phone, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that.Even if people don't want to learn a new app that works on their tablet/laptop/whatever, an emulator is a thousand times more convenient. As I was saying, I don't find it more convenient at all, let alone 1000 times more convenient. I explained above why it's easier to grab a ti off my desk and start doing calculations 2 seconds later than to go through the process of getting and using my portable computer (since my main PC is not set up to allow for lots of handwritten work at the desk).But because of the ways exams are locked down, I don't see that market going away for a long time. I'm not saying the calculators themselves aren't useful but even basic advancements (i.e. bringing them into the modern era by making the software platform agnostic) are stifled because, guess what, you dumb bitches (including me) are/were forced into buying them. I'm not going to argue for a moment they couldn't be made much better. However, that is not a legitimate argument for why I shouldn't find a TI the optimal solution for my personal post-school needs. | ||
Alcathous
Netherlands219 Posts
Do they obey Moore's law? If not, why? I mean, I bought the same one that are for sale nowadays when we were still using discmans. And at least back then it was priced in gulden, not it's the same number in euro. | ||
A3th3r
United States319 Posts
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
On March 14 2015 03:53 oGoZenob wrote: filthy casual ! Probably the best reply in the thread so far hahahaha | ||
Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On March 14 2015 07:07 A3th3r wrote: TI-86! Used one of those bad boys to acquire my engineer degree & sell software. The games you could get on there were WAY advanced, like there was a real live Mario game you could get with a level editor & everything. The TI-86 is a fun piece of hardware with a TONS of capability. I mean for the same price you could get an entry level smartphone with a billion times more capability lol. And there's obviously no non-business reason not to port the software to modern hardware. I obviously think it's possible for someone to have uses for it, I just don't understand the love for a company whose entire business model is to monopolize the education market with an obsolete device to maintain professional relevance. | ||
eieio
United States14512 Posts
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