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Thenerf
Profile Joined April 2011
United States258 Posts
May 24 2012 01:56 GMT
#421
That NASA budget isn't all rockets. But if SpaceX can turn a profit then its a great accomplishment but I'm not getting my hopes up until I see the business numbers. The numbers AFTER all is said and done not the estimated.
Every atom in your body was forged in a star. Quit being a pussy.
harlock78
Profile Joined November 2011
United States94 Posts
May 24 2012 02:21 GMT
#422
On May 24 2012 10:36 Epocalypse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 10:24 LarJarsE wrote:
nasa cant compete. these private COs are getting more funds. I am all for private companys in exploring outer space


That must be sarcasm. But you should try to avoid it as it is not always clear.

NASA had a 16-19 billion dollar a year budget. SpaceX total cost for launching their first rocket into space was 300 million. You do the math. Oh and NASA hasn't launched anything since which date? I'll let you look that up since you are so keen on facts. How much more productive is SpaceX as compared to NASA.

Watch the video above.



You are the troll, I don't need to watch videos or articles by biased commentators to see that.
First off do not compare the cost of launching 1 rocket to the total budget of NASA, which include all the funding for university research, facilities etc... on all sort of topics, not necessarily related to space flight
Second SpaceX and NASA actually collaborate. SpaceX got a contract from NASA, but they still use some of NASA facilities for testing, as well as NASA huge expertise.
For now the private sector is not going to advance space exploration like the internet, this is nonsense. There is simply not enough economic potential for it yet, and the R&D is quite harder in accessibility and cost than the R&D needed to develop software and information systems. Private companies have a better cost control and fund allocation though, and they will start contracting for a few companies and government agencies.

In general it's easy to claim better efficiency and reap the benefits when all the fundamental, hard and costly pioneer work has already been done.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-24 15:13:29
May 24 2012 15:11 GMT
#423
Dragon Mission is nominal

"Today, Space Exploration Technologies' (SpaceX) Dragon spacecraft completed key on-orbit tests as part of a historic attempt to be the first commercial company in history to send a spacecraft to the International Space Station.

In the days since SpaceX's Dragon spacecraft successfully launched from Cape Canaveral, Florida, the vehicle has steadily completed one task after another as it prepares to berth with the International Space Station. Only minutes after the spacecraft separated from the Falcon 9 rocket's second stage, its solar arrays successfully deployed, providing power to the spacecraft. The door that had been covering sensors needed for proximity operations opened successfully.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
May 24 2012 15:20 GMT
#424
When is it supposed to dock with the ISS?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 24 2012 18:06 GMT
#425
On May 25 2012 00:20 aksfjh wrote:
When is it supposed to dock with the ISS?



FRIDAY MORNING - Final Approach, Dragon Grapple

Around 2:00 AM Pacific/5:00 AM Eastern NASA will decide if Dragon is GO to move into the approach ellipsoid 1.4 kilometers around the space station. If Dragon is GO, after approximately one hour Dragon will move to a location 250 meters directly below the station. Dragon will then perform a series of maneuvers to show systems are operating as expected. If NASA is satisfied with the results of these many tests, Dragon will be allowed to perform the final approach to the space station.

Sometime around 6:00 AM Pacific/9:00 AM Eastern, astronauts on the space station will grapple Dragon with the space station’s robotic arm and the spacecraft will attach to the station.


SATURDAY MORNING - Hatch Opening

If all goes well, at approximately 2:00 AM Pacific/5:00 AM Eastern, the crew will start procedures to open Dragon’s hatch. It will take around 2 hours to complete all operations leading to the hatch opening. Once the hatch is opened, astronauts will enter Dragon for the first time
in space.

All dates and times are approximate and could easily change.

This is SpaceX’s second demonstration flight under a 2006 Commercial Orbital Transportation Services (COTS) agreement with NASA to develop the capability to carry cargo to and from the International Space Station. Demonstration launches are conducted to determine potential issues so that they might be addressed; by their very nature, they carry a significant risk. If any aspect of the mission is not successful, SpaceX will learn from the experience and try again.


[image loading]
View of the Dragon spacecraft as taken by a camera on the International Space Station.


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Image of the International Space Station taken by the Dragon spacecraft’s thermal imager.


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
May 24 2012 19:06 GMT
#426
Awesome! Hopefully I'll be awake when all the news rolls in.
Bowdz
Profile Joined September 2007
United States202 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-24 19:09:06
May 24 2012 19:08 GMT
#427
I was extremely impressed by the range the Dragon made contact with the ISS.

CSMIndeed, some hardware is working better than expected. For instance, the SpaceX team initially estimated that Dragon would have to close to within 14 to 17 miles of the station before it could establish a reliable communications link between the two craft. It's the link that station crew members use to send commands to Dragon and the link that Dragon uses to receive data the station sends on its position. The two craft established a communications link while Dragon was more than 56 miles away.


Here's to hoping everything goes well tomorrow.
"Mastering others is strength. Mastering yourself makes you fearless." - Lao Tzu
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 24 2012 19:54 GMT
#428
Now you see why this launch alone was so important as it has decidely started another Space Race between private industries.

Several firms think they can make money in space and are close enough to Musk's company to practically surf in his spaceship's rocket-fueled wake. There are now more companies looking to make money in orbit — at least eight — than major U.S. airlines still flying.

Private space companies have talked for years about ferrying goods and astronauts for NASA, but this is the first time one is actually in orbit and about to make a delivery for the space agency.

"Dragon is not the only entrant in commercial cargo," said Jeff Greason, president of XCOR Aerospace, which specializes in the also busy suborbital marketplace. "They have competitors nipping at their heels."

Still, Dragon's launch is "the spark that will ignite a flourishing commercial spaceflight marketplace," said Michael Lopez-Alegria, the president of the Commercial Spaceflight Federation and a former astronaut.

Hiring Musk's SpaceX and other private companies is a key part of NASA's plan to shift focus. Instead of routine flights to the space station with the now retired space shuttles, NASA is aiming further out to places like asteroids and Mars. After this test flight, SpaceX has a contract with NASA for a dozen delivery runs.

The idea is to "let private industry do what it does best and let NASA tackle the challenging task of pushing the boundary further," NASA Deputy Administrator Lori Garver said last week.


Source
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Galaxy613
Profile Joined March 2011
United States148 Posts
May 24 2012 20:48 GMT
#429
This is all very awesome and I'm hoping for the best tomorrow. :D Playing Kerbal Space Program whilst I wait
100,000 lightyears of awesome.
Epocalypse
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada319 Posts
May 24 2012 22:00 GMT
#430
This is truly amazing. Imagine space vacations! Privatizing the Moon and Mars. Nothing but good can come of this.

I can foresee one instance of conflict where an asteroid is passing by and the competing companies all want to study it. Like landing a rover on it. However I think the solution is pretty simple; Either they each send in a probe and make sure they do not impede each other. Or first come first serve, where each company sends a probe and the first one that makes it wins, therefore all the other companies would have to turn their probes around.

The possibilities in space are certainly immense.
bw4life
Bowdz
Profile Joined September 2007
United States202 Posts
May 25 2012 11:50 GMT
#431
Bumping this for Dragon's upcoming berthing attempt. Right now, it is inside the keep out zone (at ~150m) and making its approach to 30m of the station (estimated to take 30 minutes). Both NASA TV and SpaceX are webcasting:

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/05/spacex-rendezvous-iss/

http://www.spacex.com/index.php

Berthing is expected to take place shortly after Dragon holds at 30m (roughly 30 minutes away).
"Mastering others is strength. Mastering yourself makes you fearless." - Lao Tzu
mostevil
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom611 Posts
May 25 2012 14:17 GMT
#432
ISS caught itself a dragon and is hauling it in. Impressive work spaceX.
Here's hoping the space race is back on. The cheaper getting to and from orbit becomes the better for serious space exploration.

Now build me a firefly!
我的媽和她的瘋狂的外甥都
Epocalypse
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada319 Posts
May 25 2012 14:26 GMT
#433
When is the Dragon supposed to return to earth?
bw4life
Diomedes7
Profile Joined November 2011
67 Posts
May 25 2012 14:44 GMT
#434
Virgin Galactic is also competing with NASA, and they do it at 1/10000 of NASA's budget with a much higher sucess rate. It's about $200,000 currently, but in the future they expect the price to decrease to about the cost of a commercial airline. I believe Tom Hanks used this service.
Miyoshino
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
314 Posts
May 25 2012 15:38 GMT
#435
Virgin isn't competing with NASA. And SpaceX isn't either. Also, NASA is almost completely bankrolling SpaceX.
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
May 25 2012 15:58 GMT
#436
Why is space terminology so sexual?
Thank God and gunrun.
TheNihilist
Profile Joined May 2010
United States178 Posts
May 25 2012 15:58 GMT
#437
On May 25 2012 23:44 Diomedes7 wrote:
Virgin Galactic is also competing with NASA, and they do it at 1/10000 of NASA's budget with a much higher sucess rate. It's about $200,000 currently, but in the future they expect the price to decrease to about the cost of a commercial airline. I believe Tom Hanks used this service.


I sincerely hope this is a joke post...

Virgin Galactic only does sub orbital hops. Not even remotely close to "true" spaceflight capability.

Anyway, congrats to SpaceX on a successful mission. Hopefully the reentry will go well too.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 25 2012 16:06 GMT
#438
As of 11:02 Central time, the Dragon spacecraft is now part of the International Space Station. First US spacecraft to visit since Atlantis.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Galaxy613
Profile Joined March 2011
United States148 Posts
May 25 2012 16:18 GMT
#439
I'm so glad it has successfully docked! Right now they are making sure there's no leak in between the station and the module before they open the hatch..

Man it would've sucked if they got all that way but couldn't dock. xD
100,000 lightyears of awesome.
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
May 25 2012 16:19 GMT
#440
On May 26 2012 01:18 Galaxy613 wrote:
I'm so glad it has successfully docked! Right now they are making sure there's no leak in between the station and the module before they open the hatch..

Man it would've sucked if they got all that way but couldn't dock. xD


space blueballs gotta be the worst
Thank God and gunrun.
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