EPTShould Sweden (and other countries) prohibit any more depictions of Muhammad in the interest of public safety?
In my opinion, no, absolutely no way. That's just submitting to terrorism...
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Jonoman92
United States9103 Posts
Should Sweden (and other countries) prohibit any more depictions of Muhammad in the interest of public safety? In my opinion, no, absolutely no way. That's just submitting to terrorism... | ||
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opsayo
591 Posts
i dont respect someone demanding a behavior with threats of violence | ||
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Carefoot
Canada410 Posts
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On January 12 2011 09:53 Jswizzy wrote: The problem is moderate Muslims are not the majority in allot of Muslim nations. ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/Wu5b0.png) I would consider anyone who thinks apostates should be killed a fundamentalist and if they though of acting on it an extremist. Those are some sobering numbers. For anyone interested this is the original article. A more detailed report is available in PDF format here. | ||
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Electric.Jesus
Germany755 Posts
On January 12 2011 21:33 hypercube wrote: Those are some sobering numbers. For anyone interested this is the original article. A more detailed report is available in PDF format here. It is from PewResearchCenter. They are considered a conservative think tank. I have no mean to judge, however, is that in any way influenced the veridicality or validity of the results. | ||
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On January 12 2011 21:33 hypercube wrote: Those are some sobering numbers. For anyone interested this is the original article. A more detailed report is available in PDF format here. how many people were polled, though? that's usually the caveat with polls | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5281 Posts
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/LaZmQ.jpg) Once again, I really respect both Islam and Mohammad, but I also have a sense of humor and hopefully everyone who views this does too. | ||
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halvorg
Norway717 Posts
"Yo dawg this is my social commentary, i mailed you some of my poo. This will insult you, but i think its funny - deal with it." | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On January 12 2011 21:45 Electric.Jesus wrote: It is from PewResearchCenter. They are considered a conservative think tank. I have no mean to judge, however, is that in any way influenced the veridicality or validity of the results. I'm surprised you say that. Didn't know much about them, except that they are considered a reputable polling organization, but a quick lookup on wikipedia showed it's chaired by Madeleine Albright, Secretary of State under Clinton, and John Danforth, who I didn't know, but is apparently a former republican senator described in his wikipedia article as a moderate. So it looks more like a centrist group to me and I see no reason why they would want to forge the results. BTW, can you tell me why you think it's a conservative think tank? Or if you don't anymore, why you thought before? | ||
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sekritzzz
1515 Posts
On January 12 2011 22:38 hypercube wrote: I'm surprised you say that. Didn't know much about them, except that they are considered a reputable polling organization, but a quick lookup on wikipedia showed it's chaired by Madeleine Albright, Secretary of State under Clinton, and John Danforth, who I didn't know, but is apparently a former republican senator described in his wikipedia article as a moderate. So it looks more like a centrist group to me and I see no reason why they would want to forge the results. BTW, can you tell me why you think it's a conservative think tank? Or if you don't anymore, why you thought before? You mean this lady? The one who thinks its worth killing 500,000 children for oil? WMD bullshit. | ||
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Epicsalmon
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On January 12 2011 09:53 Jswizzy wrote: The problem is moderate Muslims are not the majority in allot of Muslim nations. I would consider anyone who thinks apostates should be killed a fundamentalist and if they though of acting on it an extremist. The problem with these numbers is that they are all fake. Its just propaganda used by the western world to persecute Muslims most likely for monetary gains similar to how Jews were also persecuted so that people could obtain their riches. All the terrorist you see in TV are not even Muslims. It says in the Qu'ran its self that suicide for any reason is a Sin. By this logic if you suicide you are not a Muslim and will be judges as such in the eye of the Muslim God, which is the same as the Christian/Jewish god so this persecution is even more silly. | ||
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CheeseGrater
United States290 Posts
On January 12 2011 04:40 tdt wrote: People have all sorts of excuses for doing crazy stuff. Their dog, the devil, the republican party, god whatever. You can''t stop crazy or schizoids. I see zero evidence holy books caused harm. Proof is hundreds of millions of peaceful Christians and Muslims living among us. If it were so dangerous an agnostic like me could not walk the streets with all these religious people. You might want to try reading some history books. Zero evidence that holy books caused harm? Oh my.. | ||
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Electric.Jesus
Germany755 Posts
On January 12 2011 22:38 hypercube wrote: I'm surprised you say that. Didn't know much about them, except that they are considered a reputable polling organization, but a quick lookup on wikipedia showed it's chaired by Madeleine Albright, Secretary of State under Clinton, and John Danforth, who I didn't know, but is apparently a former republican senator described in his wikipedia article as a moderate. So it looks more like a centrist group to me and I see no reason why they would want to forge the results. BTW, can you tell me why you think it's a conservative think tank? Or if you don't anymore, why you thought before? It said so on the German wikipedia site. I checked what their source for this satement was but they do not list one. So may as well be misinformation. | ||
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Electric.Jesus
Germany755 Posts
On January 12 2011 23:32 Epicsalmon wrote: The problem with these numbers is that they are all fake. Its just propaganda used by the western world to persecute Muslims most likely for monetary gains similar to how Jews were also persecuted so that people could obtain their riches. Di you have evidence supporting that claim. I would really like to believe you because I am a happily-ever-after kind of guy who think the woirld just looks pretty in pink. But without facts I am inclined not to. In fact, without evidence to back your claim, it is pretty useless. So please, FACTS on the table. All the terrorist you see in TV are not even Muslims. It says in the Qu'ran its self that suicide for any reason is a Sin. By this logic if you suicide you are not a Muslim and will be judges as such in the eye of the Muslim God, which is the same as the Christian/Jewish god so this persecution is even more silly. Interesting. While I agree that they may be commiting sins by killing others, there is sufficient reason to still consider them muslim. If a group of people collectively consider themselves muslims, define their group identity via a relgion/culture known as Islam, and if they are, at the same time, perceived as being mulsims by others, does that not make them muslims? Or, put differently: "If men define situations as real, they are real in their consequences" (See Thomas Theorem) Edit: The Baneling made me laugh. Is it possible to respect people's religious belief and derive joy from ridiculing their religion at the same time? Or does it make me a bad person? | ||
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sekritzzz
1515 Posts
On January 13 2011 00:27 Electric.Jesus wrote: Di you have evidence supporting that claim. I would really like to believe you because I am a happily-ever-after kind of guy who think the woirld just looks pretty in pink. But without facts I am inclined not to. In fact, without evidence to back your claim, it is pretty useless. So please, FACTS on the table. Interesting. While I agree that they may be commiting sins by killing others, there is sufficient reason to still consider them muslim. If a group of people collectively consider themselves muslims, define their group identity via a relgion/culture known as Islam, and if they are, at the same time, perceived as being mulsims by others, does that not make them muslims? Or, put differently: "If men define situations as real, they are real in their consequences" (See Thomas Theorem) Edit: The Baneling made me laugh. Is it possible to respect people's religious belief and derive joy from ridiculing their religion at the same time? Or does it make me a bad person? oh you, stop being such a Nazi ^_^. Is it possible to respect a group of people's identity and still derive joy from ridiculing their ancestors barbaric actions? Or does it make me a bad person? | ||
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Electric.Jesus
Germany755 Posts
On January 13 2011 01:31 sekritzzz wrote: oh you, stop being such a Nazi ^_^. Is it possible to respect a group of people's identity and still derive joy from ridiculing their ancestors barbaric actions? Or does it make me a bad person? Actually, to counter a funny remark with a serious answer, I think that ridiculing Nazis is not nly allowed, it is necessary. And making Nazi-jokes is probabaly one of the way we germans can cope with the actrocities in our history. Or as Dürrenmatt put it, modern societies are often so inhuman and twisted that if you don't learn to laugh abut it you are fucked. | ||
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Jswizzy
United States791 Posts
On January 12 2011 23:32 Epicsalmon wrote: The problem with these numbers is that they are all fake. Its just propaganda used by the western world to persecute Muslims most likely for monetary gains similar to how Jews were also persecuted so that people could obtain their riches. All the terrorist you see in TV are not even Muslims. It says in the Qu'ran its self that suicide for any reason is a Sin. By this logic if you suicide you are not a Muslim and will be judges as such in the eye of the Muslim God, which is the same as the Christian/Jewish god so this persecution is even more silly. Your using a No true Scotsman to argue your point. How do you know they aren't Muslims? By your flawed logic I could say that no True Christians ever preformed an inquisition because the Bible says not to judge others or kill and True Christians follow the Bible. And saying Yahew is the same as the Christian Trinity is a pretty big stretch considering Muslims and Jews do not see Jesus as part of the godhead or even believe in a trinity but the majority of Christians do. | ||
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Krigwin
1130 Posts
On January 13 2011 00:27 Electric.Jesus wrote: Edit: The Baneling made me laugh. Is it possible to respect people's religious belief and derive joy from ridiculing their religion at the same time? Or does it make me a bad person? Why should you respect people's religious beliefs in the first place? | ||
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Electric.Jesus
Germany755 Posts
On January 13 2011 01:56 Krigwin wrote: Why should you respect people's religious beliefs in the first place? Mostly because everyone has to the right to be a moron as long as they don't start bothering others, I guess. ^^ Edit: On a more serious note, when it comes down to the core arguments you reach the point where on person believes in a higher entitiy and life after death and the other does not. Neither can prove or disprove the others opinion. So mutual respect may be the best way to deal with the stalemate. | ||
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