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On December 08 2010 03:40 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 03:35 Whiladan wrote:On December 08 2010 03:26 Bartuc wrote:On December 08 2010 03:25 Whiladan wrote:
Irrelevant, unnecessary, and hilariously wrong.
That's your opinion. For me, Assange has done far more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_DunhamShould we next debate the definition of heroism? I know my next statement is going to make you mad but it needs to be said for people like you. Since USA had no business to even be in Iraq, every USA soldier that died there is not a hero but an idiot for letting his government send him there. You can only be a hero if you do something like that in a defensive war. I am sure none of the German soldiers in WWII are called heroes.
Theirs is not to reason why; theirs is but to do and die.
Until you have given the ultimate sacrifice to defend your friends or partners-in-arms or what have you, kindly go away and stop slandering those greater than yourself.
EDIT: To clarify, this is not about some misguided war. War itself can not be heroic, no matter the reason. However, the people themselves who go to war and sacrifice their lives in defense of their friends, not defense of their country, are heroes. Website administrators are not.
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All those saying he's a hero might want to muse on the fact he believes in complete freedom of information but the one thing he didn't leak was HIS OWN LOCATION.
So it's ok to jeapordise the safety of other people but not his own safety. He's a hpyocrit.
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On December 08 2010 03:40 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 03:35 Whiladan wrote:On December 08 2010 03:26 Bartuc wrote:On December 08 2010 03:25 Whiladan wrote:
Irrelevant, unnecessary, and hilariously wrong.
That's your opinion. For me, Assange has done far more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_DunhamShould we next debate the definition of heroism? I know my next statement is going to make you mad but it needs to be said for people like you. Since USA had no business to even be in Iraq, every USA soldier that died there is not a hero but an idiot for letting his government send him there. You can only be a hero if you do something like that in a defensive war. I am sure none of the German soldiers in WWII are called heroes.
Many of my friends are in the military, and most of them are in it out of economic need. In fact, the military is largely populated with people who otherwise would not make much money-- so saying they are stupid to fight for their government is not only offensive to those who have died, but ignorant.
Does the Croatian military allow soldiers to pick and choose when they fight? Because maybe, if so, we should start taking lessons from Croatia. Except that Croatia is only 18 years old, has struggled economically, and only recently had an education system that extended to the age of 18. In fact, what you didn't bother to mention is that part of the reason you have a country today is because of that US/UN intervention.
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On December 08 2010 03:43 Whiladan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 03:40 -Archangel- wrote:On December 08 2010 03:35 Whiladan wrote:On December 08 2010 03:26 Bartuc wrote:On December 08 2010 03:25 Whiladan wrote:
Irrelevant, unnecessary, and hilariously wrong.
That's your opinion. For me, Assange has done far more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_DunhamShould we next debate the definition of heroism? I know my next statement is going to make you mad but it needs to be said for people like you. Since USA had no business to even be in Iraq, every USA soldier that died there is not a hero but an idiot for letting his government send him there. You can only be a hero if you do something like that in a defensive war. I am sure none of the German soldiers in WWII are called heroes. Their's is not to reason why; their's is but to do and die. Until you have given the ultimate sacrifice to defend your friends or partners-in-arms or what have you, kindly go away and stop slandering those greater than yourself.
Since you are still alive, I guess you have not done that as well 
Seriously, under which rock have you come from? Kill 1000 people and you are a hero, kill 1 person and you are a murderer. Does that sound familiar?
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On December 08 2010 02:48 CaptainCrush wrote:
It's such a shame to see that so many of you have given up on your government while you have the civil liberties and freedoms to go home and surf the internet/ play starcraft 2 all day. Every single one of you who thinks that this Assange guy is a hero needs to think again. The swedes are following a case that was brought forward to them without any pressure from the US. We'll be pressuring him on our on soon, we've never been a country that is scared to seem like a bully. While this wikileaks thing is bad for the US right now, who knows what country this guy will turn on next if you let him continue....
Furthermore, its also a real shame to see so many people who are not US citizens claim that this guy is a hero.... honestly, what has the US done to any of you people in foreign countries? What has the US government actually done to screw up your life or genuinely effect you in any way? You guys need to check your perspectives from teh other side of that computer monitor, some of the things being said in this thread are completely biased for no real good reason other than predjudice.
Besides the CIA propping up puppet dictatorships all over latin america that killed hundreds of thousands of people and heavily contributed to the miserable state of affairs nowadays?
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On December 08 2010 03:44 Klive5ive wrote:
All those saying he's a hero might want to muse on the fact he believes in complete freedom of information but the one thing he didn't leak was HIS OWN LOCATION.
So it's ok to jeapordise the safety of other people but not his own safety. He's a hpyocrit.
source?
He turned himself in how is that hiding his own location?
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On December 08 2010 03:45 FrostOtter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 03:40 -Archangel- wrote:On December 08 2010 03:35 Whiladan wrote:On December 08 2010 03:26 Bartuc wrote:On December 08 2010 03:25 Whiladan wrote:
Irrelevant, unnecessary, and hilariously wrong.
That's your opinion. For me, Assange has done far more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_DunhamShould we next debate the definition of heroism? I know my next statement is going to make you mad but it needs to be said for people like you. Since USA had no business to even be in Iraq, every USA soldier that died there is not a hero but an idiot for letting his government send him there. You can only be a hero if you do something like that in a defensive war. I am sure none of the German soldiers in WWII are called heroes. Many of my friends are in the military, and most of them are in it out of economic need. In fact, the military is largely populated with people who otherwise would not make much money-- so saying they are stupid to fight for their government is not only offensive to those who have died, but ignorant. Does the Croatian military allow soldiers to pick and choose when they fight? Because maybe, if so, we should start taking lessons from Croatia. Except that Croatia is only 18 years old, has struggled economically, and only recently had an education system that extended to the age of 18. In fact, what you didn't bother to mention is that part of the reason you have a country today is because of that US/UN intervention.
LOOOOL. Seriously, where do you get your info? Wikipedia?
The second part is so wrong I will not spend a second to educate you, you schools should have done that. Oh, yea, I forgot, random US citizen on the street has no clue who is the president of your country
As for the first part, so it is OK to kill people because you need money? So how is that different then killing you next door neighbour and taking his money?
EDIT: Actually, if it is OK to do that I am glad they die there as at least they will not be able to spread their DNA... hopefully after enough of these wars all the idiots will die.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On December 08 2010 03:45 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 03:43 Whiladan wrote:On December 08 2010 03:40 -Archangel- wrote:On December 08 2010 03:35 Whiladan wrote:On December 08 2010 03:26 Bartuc wrote:On December 08 2010 03:25 Whiladan wrote:
Irrelevant, unnecessary, and hilariously wrong.
That's your opinion. For me, Assange has done far more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_DunhamShould we next debate the definition of heroism? I know my next statement is going to make you mad but it needs to be said for people like you. Since USA had no business to even be in Iraq, every USA soldier that died there is not a hero but an idiot for letting his government send him there. You can only be a hero if you do something like that in a defensive war. I am sure none of the German soldiers in WWII are called heroes. Their's is not to reason why; their's is but to do and die. Until you have given the ultimate sacrifice to defend your friends or partners-in-arms or what have you, kindly go away and stop slandering those greater than yourself. Since you are still alive, I guess you have not done that as well Seriously, under which rock have you come from? Kill 1000 people and you are a hero, kill 1 person and you are a murderer. Does that sound familiar?
No, but I am not claiming that they are idiots either, am I?
EDIT: BTW, I look forward to trading my blood for oil after Basic Training this spring.
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On December 08 2010 03:50 Whiladan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 03:45 -Archangel- wrote:On December 08 2010 03:43 Whiladan wrote:On December 08 2010 03:40 -Archangel- wrote:On December 08 2010 03:35 Whiladan wrote:On December 08 2010 03:26 Bartuc wrote:On December 08 2010 03:25 Whiladan wrote:
Irrelevant, unnecessary, and hilariously wrong.
That's your opinion. For me, Assange has done far more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_DunhamShould we next debate the definition of heroism? I know my next statement is going to make you mad but it needs to be said for people like you. Since USA had no business to even be in Iraq, every USA soldier that died there is not a hero but an idiot for letting his government send him there. You can only be a hero if you do something like that in a defensive war. I am sure none of the German soldiers in WWII are called heroes. Their's is not to reason why; their's is but to do and die. Until you have given the ultimate sacrifice to defend your friends or partners-in-arms or what have you, kindly go away and stop slandering those greater than yourself. Since you are still alive, I guess you have not done that as well Seriously, under which rock have you come from? Kill 1000 people and you are a hero, kill 1 person and you are a murderer. Does that sound familiar? No, but I am not claiming that they are idiots either, am I?
To go to a foreign country for no other reason but because someone told you to go there and kill or be killed, you have to be an idiot to do that. Not much different then the crazy religious fanatics that put bombs on themselves because someone told them to.
EDIT: BTW, I look forward to trading my blood for oil after Basic Training this spring.
If we are lucky you do not have any children yet and you never will..
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On December 08 2010 03:45 FrostOtter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 03:40 -Archangel- wrote:On December 08 2010 03:35 Whiladan wrote:On December 08 2010 03:26 Bartuc wrote:On December 08 2010 03:25 Whiladan wrote:
Irrelevant, unnecessary, and hilariously wrong.
That's your opinion. For me, Assange has done far more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_DunhamShould we next debate the definition of heroism? I know my next statement is going to make you mad but it needs to be said for people like you. Since USA had no business to even be in Iraq, every USA soldier that died there is not a hero but an idiot for letting his government send him there. You can only be a hero if you do something like that in a defensive war. I am sure none of the German soldiers in WWII are called heroes. Many of my friends are in the military, and most of them are in it out of economic need. In fact, the military is largely populated with people who otherwise would not make much money-- so saying they are stupid to fight for their government is not only offensive to those who have died, but ignorant. Does the Croatian military allow soldiers to pick and choose when they fight? Because maybe, if so, we should start taking lessons from Croatia. Except that Croatia is only 18 years old, has struggled economically, and only recently had an education system that extended to the age of 18. In fact, what you didn't bother to mention is that part of the reason you have a country today is because of that US/UN intervention.
What a nice picture you just painted of US politics. Rich ppl sending poor ppl to fight their wars.
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On December 08 2010 03:46 Nizaris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 03:44 Klive5ive wrote:
All those saying he's a hero might want to muse on the fact he believes in complete freedom of information but the one thing he didn't leak was HIS OWN LOCATION.
So it's ok to jeapordise the safety of other people but not his own safety. He's a hpyocrit.
source? He turned himself in how is that hiding his own location?
You really want me to spoonfeed a link to you? Google it yourself, it was all over the news.
Some commentators even went as far to call it a manhunt, they didn't even know what country he was in.
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On December 08 2010 03:49 -Archangel- wrote:
LOOOOL. Seriously, where do you get your info? Wikipedia?
Let me get this straight: you know everything you know about the United States from reading, and that is legitimate information. But everything I know about Croatia is from the same source, but I am stupid. Are you starting to get a sense of just how much you know about America?
The second part is so wrong I will not spend a second to educate you, you schools should have done that.
Yeah, unfortunately we had more important subjects to learn about than Croatia (as you will find is the case of any citizen of any country outside of Croatia)
Oh, yea, I forgot, random US citizen on the street has no clue who is the president of your country
Unfortunately for you, I am not a random US citizen on a street; I hold an advanced degree. Do you?
Would love to see a source for that statement, too.
As for the first part, so it is OK to kill people because you need money? So how is that different then killing you next door neighbour and taking his money?
Ok to kill people because you need money? Do you mean ok to be in the military? Considering statistically only about 15 percent of soldiers actually fire their weapons to hit someone, and that most of the military is usually not engaged in any sort of combat, I really don't think anyone signed up to kill people. That's like saying police officers sign up to shoot people, when most of them go their entire careers without using their weapon in the line of duty.
You are obviously very young or trolling if you don't understand that people in the military are not allowed to just leave, nor are they allowed to disobey orders. Furthermore, you are forgetting that the American public, including the lowest members of the military, were not aware that Iraq was not the best justified war in the world (I disagree with invading Iraq, but hesitate in saying it was completely unjustified, because after all Hussein was not the best leader in the world either).
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On December 08 2010 03:53 Nizaris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 03:45 FrostOtter wrote:On December 08 2010 03:40 -Archangel- wrote:On December 08 2010 03:35 Whiladan wrote:On December 08 2010 03:26 Bartuc wrote:On December 08 2010 03:25 Whiladan wrote:
Irrelevant, unnecessary, and hilariously wrong.
That's your opinion. For me, Assange has done far more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_DunhamShould we next debate the definition of heroism? I know my next statement is going to make you mad but it needs to be said for people like you. Since USA had no business to even be in Iraq, every USA soldier that died there is not a hero but an idiot for letting his government send him there. You can only be a hero if you do something like that in a defensive war. I am sure none of the German soldiers in WWII are called heroes. Many of my friends are in the military, and most of them are in it out of economic need. In fact, the military is largely populated with people who otherwise would not make much money-- so saying they are stupid to fight for their government is not only offensive to those who have died, but ignorant. Does the Croatian military allow soldiers to pick and choose when they fight? Because maybe, if so, we should start taking lessons from Croatia. Except that Croatia is only 18 years old, has struggled economically, and only recently had an education system that extended to the age of 18. In fact, what you didn't bother to mention is that part of the reason you have a country today is because of that US/UN intervention. What a nice picture you just painted of US politics. Rich ppl sending poor ppl to fight their wars.
Better than being Germany's doormat throughout all of modern history. Not to mention that in return for that service, those "poor ppl" get a free education and are going to be on the top of the stack of applications for every job they apply for once they get out.
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On December 08 2010 03:44 Klive5ive wrote:
All those saying he's a hero might want to muse on the fact he believes in complete freedom of information but the one thing he didn't leak was HIS OWN LOCATION.
So it's ok to jeapordise the safety of other people but not his own safety. He's a hpyocrit.
Lol, so he is supposed to be acting stupid because you want him to?
Why should he do that when these allegations are obviously bogus?
Why should he trust in the system when they are USING the system against him?!
I bet he only turned him self in now so people like you cannot call him a coward or whatever. Actually you managed to accomplish the goal or flushing him out.
He is an even greater Hero for doing this. I probably would not have done it.
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On December 08 2010 03:35 Whiladan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 03:26 Bartuc wrote:On December 08 2010 03:25 Whiladan wrote:
Irrelevant, unnecessary, and hilariously wrong.
That's your opinion. For me, Assange has done far more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_DunhamShould we next debate the definition of heroism?
Don't pretend Assange didn't sacrifice his personal life for the cause he believes in.
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On December 08 2010 03:59 Bartuc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 03:35 Whiladan wrote:On December 08 2010 03:26 Bartuc wrote:On December 08 2010 03:25 Whiladan wrote:
Irrelevant, unnecessary, and hilariously wrong.
That's your opinion. For me, Assange has done far more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_DunhamShould we next debate the definition of heroism? Don't try to pretend Assange didn't sacrifice his personal life for the cause he believes in.
I didn't realize that sacrificing a personal life (by which apparently you mean constant media attention and guest-spots on American television) was the same as dying.
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On December 08 2010 03:52 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 03:50 Whiladan wrote:On December 08 2010 03:45 -Archangel- wrote:On December 08 2010 03:43 Whiladan wrote:On December 08 2010 03:40 -Archangel- wrote:On December 08 2010 03:35 Whiladan wrote:On December 08 2010 03:26 Bartuc wrote:On December 08 2010 03:25 Whiladan wrote:
Irrelevant, unnecessary, and hilariously wrong.
That's your opinion. For me, Assange has done far more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_DunhamShould we next debate the definition of heroism? I know my next statement is going to make you mad but it needs to be said for people like you. Since USA had no business to even be in Iraq, every USA soldier that died there is not a hero but an idiot for letting his government send him there. You can only be a hero if you do something like that in a defensive war. I am sure none of the German soldiers in WWII are called heroes. Their's is not to reason why; their's is but to do and die. Until you have given the ultimate sacrifice to defend your friends or partners-in-arms or what have you, kindly go away and stop slandering those greater than yourself. Since you are still alive, I guess you have not done that as well Seriously, under which rock have you come from? Kill 1000 people and you are a hero, kill 1 person and you are a murderer. Does that sound familiar? No, but I am not claiming that they are idiots either, am I? To go to a foreign country for no other reason but because someone told you to go there and kill or be killed, you have to be an idiot to do that. Not much different then the crazy religious fanatics that put bombs on themselves because someone told them to. Show nested quote +EDIT: BTW, I look forward to trading my blood for oil after Basic Training this spring. If we are lucky you do not have any children yet and you never will..
I won't sink to your level and resort to personal attacks.
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On December 08 2010 04:00 FrostOtter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 03:59 Bartuc wrote:On December 08 2010 03:35 Whiladan wrote:On December 08 2010 03:26 Bartuc wrote:On December 08 2010 03:25 Whiladan wrote:
Irrelevant, unnecessary, and hilariously wrong.
That's your opinion. For me, Assange has done far more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_DunhamShould we next debate the definition of heroism? Don't try to pretend Assange didn't sacrifice his personal life for the cause he believes in. I didn't realize that sacrificing a personal life (by which apparently you mean constant media attention and guest-spots on American television) was the same as dying.
It's not, but it can be just as meaningful or require just as much sacrifice. I do not mean this to be blunt or disrespectful in any way but death lasts an instant, but what people seem to forget is that a life-long goal or dedication lasts a lifetime.
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On December 08 2010 03:58 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2010 03:44 Klive5ive wrote:
All those saying he's a hero might want to muse on the fact he believes in complete freedom of information but the one thing he didn't leak was HIS OWN LOCATION.
So it's ok to jeapordise the safety of other people but not his own safety. He's a hpyocrit.
Lol, so he is supposed to be acting stupid because you want him to?
So releasing information that could lead to him being hurt is stupid?
You're saying it makes sense not to publish information that in the hands of a minority of unstable people could lead to innocent people being harmed.
I rest my case.
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If countries didn't have anything to hide there would be nothing to fear from this guy
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