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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
On December 08 2010 03:15 GnaR wrote: How can anyone think he's such a hero after selling out the guy who got him the info? He could have released the info after the guys trail, but nope. Seems like he's getting what he deserves. Adrian Lamo (rat hacker) is the reason B. Manning is in jail not Assange | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On December 08 2010 02:48 CaptainCrush wrote: It's such a shame to see that so many of you have given up on your government while you have the civil liberties and freedoms to go home and surf the internet/ play starcraft 2 all day. Every single one of you who thinks that this Assange guy is a hero needs to think again. The swedes are following a case that was brought forward to them without any pressure from the US. We'll be pressuring him on our on soon, we've never been a country that is scared to seem like a bully. While this wikileaks thing is bad for the US right now, who knows what country this guy will turn on next if you let him continue.... Furthermore, its also a real shame to see so many people who are not US citizens claim that this guy is a hero.... honestly, what has the US done to any of you people in foreign countries? What has the US government actually done to screw up your life or genuinely effect you in any way? You guys need to check your perspectives from teh other side of that computer monitor, some of the things being said in this thread are completely biased for no real good reason other than predjudice. Well yes, compared to the middle ages we are doing great. But as in all things it can move forward and be better. Actually it has been better then now so there is no reason to be happy now. We want more truth, more responsibility and more morals from our governments. Today the USA is the one doing all the fucked up stuff around the world, but tomorrow any of the other countries could be doing it. We want this all to stop, we do not want that tomorrow. We do not want counties that spend so much money on weapons and use force to take stuff. Things can be accomplished without a big stick, people just need to start trying it. US government has done a lot to people all around the world. In EU it has bullied governments to join them in their misguided ways and their war crimes. For my country, it made it enter Nato with promises and intimidations. It made us send our people to Afganistan to die and further USA imperialistic agenda. Yes, this guy is a hero. He is sharing the truth with the world while risking his life and comforts. He is a bigger hero than ANY US soldier in Iraq or Afghanistan! It would be so much easier for him to be like 99.9% of the world, and work 8-9 hours, and then come home and eat dinner, watch some TV and surf the internet and then repeat the same process until the rest of his life. I know you are happy with such life and you for some reason perceive this guy as a threat to that, but you need to understand that unlike you many people in this world are not happy to ignore the world around us as it truly is. They want to move forward and make it as best as they can during their lifetime so their children or their sister/brothers children can live in a better world. And often to do that you HAVE to defy governments, especially when they have become corrupt as most of the western ones have. | ||
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Krigwin
1130 Posts
On December 08 2010 03:14 Energizer wrote: Quite honestly, all governments lie. Every single one of them. However only the United States government got caught by a single guy which showed in what way they were lying to not only other governments, but united states citizens as well (IE grabbing false support for global warming). It begins to raise the question of how can you defend the current government that's in office when all they have said has been proved wrong. Don't get me wrong, I'm not an anarchist. Hell if anything id consider myself a bit of a patriot. But I cannot find any worth while argument to defend the actions of the current legislation. And what can be said about those people who blindly follow a government when you don't even know what their motives are? Especially with freedoms slowly being taking away being replaced with the illusion of choice (IE paper or plastic, scan or pat down, public or private education, etc..) as for why this guy targeted US alone? No idea, as there is just as much dirt in any other country. Must be because the US is still classified as a sole superpower, or perhaps they screwed him somehow. Wait, you're talking about Assange, right? How did he target just the US alone? | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On December 08 2010 02:57 Elegy wrote: Sorry, I thought you were one of the people saying the US is behind the smear campaign. It's implied clearly from your posts, but my apologies! Hrm. Regardless, baseless assertions are baseless assertions. How about your posts regarding how MasterCard and other companies have been pressured by the US government to cut off support? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=138509¤tpage=44#878 Any facts to support this? If you can link to credible sources detailing the pressure the US government placed on these companies, then you're right and I'll accept that wholeheartedly. You are digging a hole for yourself here, sir. You might want to just quit while you are only a little behind. at the "doesnt know anything about paypal", would you mind explain me why the ku klux clan (or how it is called?) which is the most rednecked racist thing in the world I dare say STILL is allowed to have paypal, while a journalist who digged out dirt on a influencial and powerful government doesnt get ot have anything? Please take yourself together, I am outraged because in Denmark any politician who have the slightest smell of corruption, will drop votes and trust as the rain. keep in mind while reading danish posts that we as a whole are USED to be sceptical against anything of that manner - Danish people flaming governments (especially our own) is normal and afaik (or atleast in my friendhood / family). I am just saying my opinion, I have all the right to be outraged as you have the right to wonder why the hell he would wonder why we are outraged. OFFTOPIC NOTE: its weird how the same arguements allways meet eachother on teamliquid like that, and how it usually american netizens vs the rest (europeans especially) netizens | ||
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wadadde
270 Posts
On December 08 2010 02:48 CaptainCrush wrote: It's such a shame to see that so many of you have given up on your government while you have the civil liberties and freedoms to go home and surf the internet/ play starcraft 2 all day. Every single one of you who thinks that this Assange guy is a hero needs to think again. The swedes are following a case that was brought forward to them without any pressure from the US. We'll be pressuring him on our on soon, we've never been a country that is scared to seem like a bully. While this wikileaks thing is bad for the US right now, who knows what country this guy will turn on next if you let him continue.... Furthermore, its also a real shame to see so many people who are not US citizens claim that this guy is a hero.... honestly, what has the US done to any of you people in foreign countries? What has the US government actually done to screw up your life or genuinely effect you in any way? You guys need to check your perspectives from teh other side of that computer monitor, some of the things being said in this thread are completely biased for no real good reason other than predjudice. You're my hero. Virtually everything you said is either baseless, or the opposite of true. Reality becomes that much clearer when viewed through the lens of obvious drivel. Henceforth, you will be known throughout the kingdom as Opposite Man, the 5-post luminary who taught his people to chill. I'm surprised you're not running for president. Or are you? | ||
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CaptainCrush
United States785 Posts
On December 08 2010 03:14 Energizer wrote: Quite honestly, all governments lie. Every single one of them. Don't get me wrong, I'm not an anarchist. Hell if anything id consider myself a bit of a patriot. But I cannot find any worth while argument to defend the actions of the current legislation. This is exactly what I wanted to say, you summed it up better than I did. I'm not blindly following our government either, I know they have their own dark secrets just like any other countries legislation. I do however realize that it is incredibly stupid to start leaking secret information to the ENTIRE WORLD. It gets everyone on alert, increases tention, and ultimately does more harm than good. | ||
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Whiladan
United States463 Posts
On December 08 2010 03:18 -Archangel- wrote: He is a bigger hero than ANY US soldier in Iraq or Afghanistan! Irrelevant, unnecessary, and hilariously wrong. | ||
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DorN
Germany90 Posts
On December 08 2010 03:23 wadadde wrote: You're my hero. Virtually everything you said is either baseless, or the opposite of true. Reality becomes that much clearer when viewed through the lens of obvious drivel. Henceforth, you will be known throughout the kingdom as Opposite Man, the 5-post luminary who taught his people to chill. I'm surprised you're not running for president. Or are you? I was going to comment on his Post aswell but decided he has to be a Troll or <16 years old. | ||
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leakingpear
United Kingdom302 Posts
On December 08 2010 02:48 CaptainCrush wrote: It's such a shame to see that so many of you have given up on your government while you have the civil liberties and freedoms to go home and surf the internet/ play starcraft 2 all day. Every single one of you who thinks that this Assange guy is a hero needs to think again. The swedes are following a case that was brought forward to them without any pressure from the US. We'll be pressuring him on our on soon, we've never been a country that is scared to seem like a bully. While this wikileaks thing is bad for the US right now, who knows what country this guy will turn on next if you let him continue.... Furthermore, its also a real shame to see so many people who are not US citizens claim that this guy is a hero.... honestly, what has the US done to any of you people in foreign countries? What has the US government actually done to screw up your life or genuinely effect you in any way? You guys need to check your perspectives from teh other side of that computer monitor, some of the things being said in this thread are completely biased for no real good reason other than predjudice. I mean I don't want to urinate on your street celebration, but the US government was partially to fully responsible for not regulating the banking sector resulting in the recession that has undoubtedly directly affected any university graduates here as well as parents of other people. That's entirely ignoring the effects of US foreign policy in areas like south america which could easily have impacted the options of many young people who can afford the relatively low cost of internet and starcraft 2. People are hero worshipping Assange because he's the only visual representation of a website that undermines governments that people (especially young people) feel disconnected from, which the current american political climate of partisanship over largely insubstantial issues creates/feeds. A lot of the non-US posters who rail against the US government are usually doing it because they feel equally apathetic towards both their country's political system and the US one, which due to the US superpower position does affect their own. I'm a fan of wikileaks and what they do in terms of making important information public, I'm not a fan of any attempts by Assange or otherwise to sensationalise the release of that information or go after information with any particular political leaning or agenda, which while they're only marginally guilty of the former and not of the latter as of yet, the press conferences certainly seem to be going in a certain way. Finally there's nothing wrong at all with being outraged at spurious claims and using political power to discredit or silence anyone, regardless of who it is and whether you agree with what they've done and being an apologist for governments because they 'provide for us' or whatever it is, is the same form of false idol, trust without earning it bollocks that allows bad people to do bad things and get away with it. | ||
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
On December 08 2010 03:16 CaptainCrush wrote: Our price of oil hasnt changed one bit since then.... furher more, what did we do to belgium? Or denmark, or any other european country? People like you only support what I first said..... Throw them a hand was term used for lack of a better word. We are coming up on 10 years in Iraq, if we wanted oil, we would have had it by now. Ya the US got no oil out of it. The law represents no less than institutionalized raping and pillaging of Iraq's oil wealth. It represents the death knell of nationalized (from 1972 to 1975) Iraqi resources, now replaced by production sharing agreements (PSAs) - which translate into savage privatization and monster profit rates of up to 75% for (basically US) Big Oil. Sixty-five of Iraq's roughly 80 oilfields already known will be offered for Big Oil to exploit. http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IB28Ak01.html | ||
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Bartuc
Netherlands629 Posts
On December 08 2010 03:25 Whiladan wrote: Irrelevant, unnecessary, and hilariously wrong. That's your opinion. For me, Assange has done far more. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On December 08 2010 03:25 Whiladan wrote: Irrelevant, unnecessary, and hilariously wrong. Tnx for the precise and explanatory post. Now I can take you as such a serious person  | ||
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AmishNukes
United States98 Posts
On December 08 2010 03:22 Iplaythings wrote:OFFTOPIC NOTE: its weird how the same arguements allways meet eachother on teamliquid like that, and how it usually american netizens vs the rest (europeans especially) netizens Americans are comfortable with our elected officials advising the government to use espionage, deception, and lies to take advantage of the rest of the world for our benefit. That's what we elected them to do. EDIT  | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On December 08 2010 03:29 AmishNukes wrote: Americans are comfortable with our elected officials advising the government to use espionage, deception, and lies to take advantage of the rest of the world for our benefit. That's what we elected them to do. EDIT Unfortunately that is probably not that far from the truth. But to be fair many other countries are full of similar people (including mine). | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On December 08 2010 02:48 CaptainCrush wrote: honestly, what has the US done to any of you people in foreign countries? What has the US government actually done to screw up your life or genuinely effect you in any way? On December 08 2010 02:53 Tianx wrote: There aren't too many Iraqi posters here. Or more generally, South America, the Middle East, and like half of Asia. | ||
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CaptainCrush
United States785 Posts
On December 08 2010 03:26 leakingpear wrote: I mean I don't want to urinate on your street celebration, but the US government was partially to fully responsible for not regulating the banking sector resulting in the recession that has undoubtedly directly affected any university graduates here as well as parents of other people. That's entirely ignoring the effects of US foreign policy in areas like south america which could easily have impacted the options of many young people who can afford the relatively low cost of internet and starcraft 2. Wow, you're right.... The US is the only greedy country in the entire world and we single handedly wrecked all global markets.... maybe if some other countries had diversified rahter than relying on foreign markets, they wouldn't be so angry at the US right now. Or maybe you guys are still just predjudiced for no good reason? Lol at the german who called me a 16 yo troll and the ones who called me baseless... I didnt really make any accusations other than the fact that lots of you foreigners are hating america for no good reason. Talking politics with you nerds may have actually made me dumber, stop believing everything you read on teh internet, I'm separating myself from this "baseless" stupidity. | ||
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Whiladan
United States463 Posts
On December 08 2010 03:26 Bartuc wrote: That's your opinion. For me, Assange has done far more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Dunham Should we next debate the definition of heroism? | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On December 08 2010 03:35 CaptainCrush wrote: Wow, you're right.... The US is the only greedy country in the entire world and we single handedly wrecked all global markets.... maybe if some other countries had diversified rahter than relying on foreign markets, they wouldn't be so angry at the US right now. Or maybe you guys are still just predjudiced for no good reason? Lol at the german who called me a 16 yo troll and the ones who called me baseless... I didnt really make any accusations other than the fact that lots of you foreigners are hating america for no good reason. Talking politics with you nerds may have actually made me dumber, stop believing everything you read on teh internet, I'm separating myself from this "baseless" stupidity. Lol, you are funny man. You ignore posts you do not like, ignore facts you do not like and now that you have no more argument you pull the old: "I have nothing more to discuss with you all". Well then, have fun talking to your goat | ||
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FrostOtter
United States537 Posts
Edit: I'll add that this thread makes me happy that people under 18 cannot vote | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On December 08 2010 03:35 Whiladan wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Dunham Should we next debate the definition of heroism? I know my next statement is going to make you mad but it needs to be said for people like you. Since USA had no business to even be in Iraq, every USA soldier that died there is not a hero but an idiot for letting his government send him there. You can only be a hero if you do something like that in a defensive war. I am sure none of the German soldiers in WWII are called heroes. | ||
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