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Ceril
Profile Joined April 2003
Sweden1343 Posts
December 07 2010 19:04 GMT
#301
Assange is almost up there with the founding fathers for standing for what he belive will make a better world. Remember that thoose guys today would be classified terrorists/political dissidents by the US gov for their ideas clad for a modern day if they were to reincarnate in the US.
Just because you can now store where everyone was and is, what they like, what they fear who they talk to and who they love. It does not mean we should so spy upon our fellow man in a dystopia far worse then 1984
Cpt.beefy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Ireland799 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-07 19:07:30
December 07 2010 19:04 GMT
#302
On December 08 2010 03:54 Klive5ive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2010 03:46 Nizaris wrote:
On December 08 2010 03:44 Klive5ive wrote:
All those saying he's a hero might want to muse on the fact he believes in complete freedom of information but the one thing he didn't leak was HIS OWN LOCATION.
So it's ok to jeapordise the safety of other people but not his own safety. He's a hpyocrit.

source?

He turned himself in how is that hiding his own location?

You really want me to spoonfeed a link to you? Google it yourself, it was all over the news.
Some commentators even went as far to call it a manhunt, they didn't even know what country he was in.


LOL? obvious troll is obvious. please make a real contribution and not argue for the trolling love.

I think the guy is a legend for free-speech and helps us all see the backhanded tactics of Politics in general, The globe over.
Wikileaks ain't going anywhere after this bullshit rape case, And I for one am a happy bunny.

Our Beloved Geoff "inControl" Robinson.
Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
December 07 2010 19:05 GMT
#303
US State Department spokesman PJ Crowley said it was possible the US would make an extradition request for Mr Assange but he said it was premature as the criminal investigation into Wikileaks was still ongoing.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11937110

Funny a couple hours ago i said the us would ask for extradition and they already are considering it.
Phantasy
Profile Joined November 2010
United States16 Posts
December 07 2010 19:05 GMT
#304
Whats up w/ all the hate to the USA? This kid put out info that he shouldn't have so he got smacked down. u mad? that will teach other scrubs not to try to do the same thing or we'll go Iraq invasion on you too.
Hi, it's RuNei
FrostOtter
Profile Joined September 2010
United States537 Posts
December 07 2010 19:05 GMT
#305
On December 08 2010 04:03 ayadew wrote:
If countries didn't have anything to hide there would be nothing to fear from this guy

Can you seriously be as obtuse as to think that countries should have absolutely nothing to hide? Absolutely nothing? Not military information, not nuclear information, not infrastructure, nothing? There should be absolutely no secrets whatsoever? Even if those secrets are entrusted to officials that were elected by the people specifically to handle affairs for the public?
FrostOtter
Profile Joined September 2010
United States537 Posts
December 07 2010 19:07 GMT
#306
On December 08 2010 04:04 Ceril wrote:
Assange is almost up there with the founding fathers for standing for what he belive will make a better world. Remember that thoose guys today would be classified terrorists/political dissidents by the US gov for their ideas clad for a modern day if they were to reincarnate in the US.

You must know what you are taking about, since you live in America and all. Or can I start telling you how the Swedish people feel?
blomsterjohn
Profile Joined June 2008
Norway476 Posts
December 07 2010 19:10 GMT
#307
To many zealots.. this is hopeless
Ceril
Profile Joined April 2003
Sweden1343 Posts
December 07 2010 19:14 GMT
#308
That is how the situation is seen, feel free to tell me how we feel. There is great admiration for your founders, their ideas and words, thoose that made your country to be admired, into the the land of the free. When thoose ideas are no longer, looking at it from the outside, what binds you togheter and stepped upon in hot pursuit of the opposite of what you could be: Just like I will argue for Chinese censorship being wrong I will argue for your sake that the ideas are becoming lost and do my best to raise awarness that you are losing your path, misslead by the same old bull that you once grabed hold of and said: No more.
Just because you can now store where everyone was and is, what they like, what they fear who they talk to and who they love. It does not mean we should so spy upon our fellow man in a dystopia far worse then 1984
Cpt.beefy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Ireland799 Posts
December 07 2010 19:14 GMT
#309
On December 08 2010 04:07 FrostOtter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2010 04:04 Ceril wrote:
Assange is almost up there with the founding fathers for standing for what he belive will make a better world. Remember that thoose guys today would be classified terrorists/political dissidents by the US gov for their ideas clad for a modern day if they were to reincarnate in the US.

You must know what you are taking about, since you live in America and all. Or can I start telling you how the Swedish people feel?


His option is as valid as ANY DEMOCRATIC member of society. I love how your argument is as arrogant as WE invented free-speech because Im an american.... jesus man listen to yourself.
This guy is under-arrest for using his FREE-SPEECH and you still don't wanna hear other people's opinion on it cos there not from the land of the free?! LOL!
Our Beloved Geoff "inControl" Robinson.
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-07 19:17:27
December 07 2010 19:16 GMT
#310
Been reading some of the documents. Here's an interesting quote:

"U.S. and its allies intended to replace the regime with a “puppet”
government, mainly in order to secure for themselves Iraq’s oil wealth"

+ Show Spoiler +
Copy pasted. No editing.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
Uriel_SVK
Profile Joined April 2010
Slovakia427 Posts
December 07 2010 19:17 GMT
#311
On December 08 2010 03:50 Whiladan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2010 03:45 -Archangel- wrote:
On December 08 2010 03:43 Whiladan wrote:
On December 08 2010 03:40 -Archangel- wrote:
On December 08 2010 03:35 Whiladan wrote:
On December 08 2010 03:26 Bartuc wrote:
On December 08 2010 03:25 Whiladan wrote:
Irrelevant, unnecessary, and hilariously wrong.


That's your opinion. For me, Assange has done far more.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Dunham

Should we next debate the definition of heroism?

I know my next statement is going to make you mad but it needs to be said for people like you.

Since USA had no business to even be in Iraq, every USA soldier that died there is not a hero but an idiot for letting his government send him there.

You can only be a hero if you do something like that in a defensive war. I am sure none of the German soldiers in WWII are called heroes.


Their's is not to reason why; their's is but to do and die.

Until you have given the ultimate sacrifice to defend your friends or partners-in-arms or what have you, kindly go away and stop slandering those greater than yourself.

Since you are still alive, I guess you have not done that as well

Seriously, under which rock have you come from? Kill 1000 people and you are a hero, kill 1 person and you are a murderer. Does that sound familiar?


No, but I am not claiming that they are idiots either, am I?

EDIT: BTW, I look forward to trading my blood for oil after Basic Training this spring.


Brainwashed, ... dont get me wrong, but I am sorry for you. You think that going to a foreign country and kill people there means protecting your family and friends. It does not. It means just killing people who are defending their home, families and friends. You are not defending against enemy, you are attacking.
+ Show Spoiler +
PS: Send photos of that weapons of mass destruction when you find them


But this is a thread about war, it is about arresting a man because he did not use a condom. Really just for a moment try to forget all about Wikileaks and cablegate, and think about two chisks who found out they fucked the same man. So they decide they will sue him for rape because he is famous, they might get some money from that. They went to 4 prosecutors, and three of them think there is not enough evidence to arrest that man. Fourth is a woman from feminist party which will take the case. From what I know, this is what happened. If you would hear it and knew nothing about wikilieaks, you would just laugh about stupidity of sweden justice system.
Krigwin
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1130 Posts
December 07 2010 19:19 GMT
#312
On December 08 2010 04:16 vOdToasT wrote:
Been reading some of the documents. Here's an interesting quote:

"U.S. and its allies intended to replace the regime with a “puppet”
government, mainly in order to secure for themselves Iraq’s oil wealth"

+ Show Spoiler +
Copy pasted. No editing.

What document is this? Source please.
FrostOtter
Profile Joined September 2010
United States537 Posts
December 07 2010 19:19 GMT
#313
On December 08 2010 04:14 Cpt.beefy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2010 04:07 FrostOtter wrote:
On December 08 2010 04:04 Ceril wrote:
Assange is almost up there with the founding fathers for standing for what he belive will make a better world. Remember that thoose guys today would be classified terrorists/political dissidents by the US gov for their ideas clad for a modern day if they were to reincarnate in the US.

You must know what you are taking about, since you live in America and all. Or can I start telling you how the Swedish people feel?


His option is as valid as ANY DEMOCRATIC member of society. I love how your argument is as arrogant as WE invented free-speech because Im an american.... jesus man listen to yourself.
This guy is under-arrest for using his FREE-SPEECH and you still don't wanna hear other people's opinion on it cos there not from the land of the free?! LOL!

Can you please point to where I said that we invented free speech? Could you also point to where I said that other people's opinions don't matter? I believe what I said is not to tell us how we think, not don't tell us what you think of us.

The guy is under arrest for rape, or surprise sex, or whatever. Unless you have evidence to the contrary, all you are doing is conjecturing.
Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-07 19:22:13
December 07 2010 19:21 GMT
#314
On December 08 2010 04:19 FrostOtter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2010 04:14 Cpt.beefy wrote:
On December 08 2010 04:07 FrostOtter wrote:
On December 08 2010 04:04 Ceril wrote:
Assange is almost up there with the founding fathers for standing for what he belive will make a better world. Remember that thoose guys today would be classified terrorists/political dissidents by the US gov for their ideas clad for a modern day if they were to reincarnate in the US.

You must know what you are taking about, since you live in America and all. Or can I start telling you how the Swedish people feel?


His option is as valid as ANY DEMOCRATIC member of society. I love how your argument is as arrogant as WE invented free-speech because Im an american.... jesus man listen to yourself.
This guy is under-arrest for using his FREE-SPEECH and you still don't wanna hear other people's opinion on it cos there not from the land of the free?! LOL!

Can you please point to where I said that we invented free speech? Could you also point to where I said that other people's opinions don't matter? I believe what I said is not to tell us how we think, not don't tell us what you think of us.

The guy is under arrest for rape, or surprise sex, or whatever. Unless you have evidence to the contrary, all you are doing is conjecturing.

Why is the US seeking extradition in a Swedish surprise sex case?
Taosu
Profile Joined August 2010
Ukraine1074 Posts
December 07 2010 19:22 GMT
#315
On December 08 2010 04:16 vOdToasT wrote:
Been reading some of the documents. Here's an interesting quote:

"U.S. and its allies intended to replace the regime with a “puppet”
government, mainly in order to secure for themselves Iraq’s oil wealth"

+ Show Spoiler +
Copy pasted. No editing.

Oh my God! This information is putting people's life in danger! The one who disclosed it is a criminal!

Seriously, I hope Assange gets released ASAP.
Also fan of Hyuk, Pure, free, Action, Stats, Leta, Horang2, Snow, Flying, Shuttle, Movie, Paralyze
FrostOtter
Profile Joined September 2010
United States537 Posts
December 07 2010 19:23 GMT
#316
On December 08 2010 04:21 Nizaris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2010 04:19 FrostOtter wrote:
On December 08 2010 04:14 Cpt.beefy wrote:
On December 08 2010 04:07 FrostOtter wrote:
On December 08 2010 04:04 Ceril wrote:
Assange is almost up there with the founding fathers for standing for what he belive will make a better world. Remember that thoose guys today would be classified terrorists/political dissidents by the US gov for their ideas clad for a modern day if they were to reincarnate in the US.

You must know what you are taking about, since you live in America and all. Or can I start telling you how the Swedish people feel?


His option is as valid as ANY DEMOCRATIC member of society. I love how your argument is as arrogant as WE invented free-speech because Im an american.... jesus man listen to yourself.
This guy is under-arrest for using his FREE-SPEECH and you still don't wanna hear other people's opinion on it cos there not from the land of the free?! LOL!

Can you please point to where I said that we invented free speech? Could you also point to where I said that other people's opinions don't matter? I believe what I said is not to tell us how we think, not don't tell us what you think of us.

The guy is under arrest for rape, or surprise sex, or whatever. Unless you have evidence to the contrary, all you are doing is conjecturing.

Why is the US seeking extradition in a Swedish Surprise Sex case.

If that is the case, then I am guessing that they feel he has broken a US law in addition to whatever Swedish charges there are. Freedom of speech has limits-- everyone knows that. It might not be for me to say what those limits are, but they do exist. Just like how you cannot shout "fire" in a crowded theater or advocate the violent overthrow of the government. These are not laws unique to America.
CaptainFwiffo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States576 Posts
December 07 2010 19:24 GMT
#317
Anybody else reminded of Scott Ritter?
"Even though they don't drink milk, milk comes out of their nose, disturbingly." - Tasteless
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-07 19:24:47
December 07 2010 19:24 GMT
#318
:19 Krigwin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2010 04 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              08 2010 04      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:16 vOdToasT wrote:
Been reading some of the documents. Here's an interesting quote:

"U.S. and its allies intended to replace the regime with a “puppet”
government, mainly in order to secure for themselves Iraq’s oil wealth"

+ Show Spoiler +
Copy pasted. No editing.

What document is this? Source please.


I can give you the torrent. It has over 1600 documents, though, so you really have to sort out the crap to find the gold.

PM me if you're interested.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
Whiladan
Profile Joined September 2010
United States463 Posts
December 07 2010 19:24 GMT
#319
On December 08 2010 04:17 Uriel_SVK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2010 03:50 Whiladan wrote:
On December 08 2010 03:45 -Archangel- wrote:
On December 08 2010 03:43 Whiladan wrote:
On December 08 2010 03:40 -Archangel- wrote:
On December 08 2010 03:35 Whiladan wrote:
On December 08 2010 03:26 Bartuc wrote:
On December 08 2010 03:25 Whiladan wrote:
Irrelevant, unnecessary, and hilariously wrong.


That's your opinion. For me, Assange has done far more.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Dunham

Should we next debate the definition of heroism?

I know my next statement is going to make you mad but it needs to be said for people like you.

Since USA had no business to even be in Iraq, every USA soldier that died there is not a hero but an idiot for letting his government send him there.

You can only be a hero if you do something like that in a defensive war. I am sure none of the German soldiers in WWII are called heroes.


Their's is not to reason why; their's is but to do and die.

Until you have given the ultimate sacrifice to defend your friends or partners-in-arms or what have you, kindly go away and stop slandering those greater than yourself.

Since you are still alive, I guess you have not done that as well

Seriously, under which rock have you come from? Kill 1000 people and you are a hero, kill 1 person and you are a murderer. Does that sound familiar?


No, but I am not claiming that they are idiots either, am I?

EDIT: BTW, I look forward to trading my blood for oil after Basic Training this spring.


Brainwashed, ... dont get me wrong, but I am sorry for you. You think that going to a foreign country and kill people there means protecting your family and friends. It does not. It means just killing people who are defending their home, families and friends. You are not defending against enemy, you are attacking.
+ Show Spoiler +
PS: Send photos of that weapons of mass destruction when you find them




Don't get me wrong, but don't act like you understand the reason that I am joining the military. My family has been in the Army the Civil War. Not to mention free healthcare, free housing, free food, education, and a top secret clearance that sets you up for a successful career in the government?

Nah, I probably just want to kill some Afghans.


Side note, I've contributed to derailing this thread enough. Assange is not evil, nor is he a hero. Even though nothing has actually happened yet, I can't say I would be sympathetic if his acts came back to bite him in the ass.
sammler
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom381 Posts
December 07 2010 19:32 GMT
#320
He's not heroic, but he is very brave. Most of us are happy to imagine the Emperor's clothes as long as we and our familes are safe, or for the poster above, we get free healthcare/education etc. Rather than effort or heroism, It takes balls to risk your safety/life/reputation to whistleblow.
"I wish I was good enough to be called bad by IdrA." - Moa
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