EPTA North Korean naval fleet is moving toward South Korea, according to news agency MBC.
source :http://twitter.com/LiveNewsWire#
North Korea Fires Artillery Rounds at South Korean Island…
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Warmyth
Netherlands107 Posts
A North Korean naval fleet is moving toward South Korea, according to news agency MBC. source :http://twitter.com/LiveNewsWire# | ||
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Dagobert
Netherlands1858 Posts
On November 23 2010 17:50 LoCaD wrote: SK has the worst political and geographical Position one can imagine. they have with NK a potencial crazy Neighbour who always seek to provoke or attaks and then uses up Excuses. I don't think it's "worse" than the millions maimed, raped and slaughtered in Congo, Sierra Leone, Liberia, etc. It's a very bad position, but I doubt you can label it the worst. Still, NK people need to finally pull off the coup d'état... | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On November 23 2010 17:53 tomatriedes wrote: They knew in advance that it was a drill so there's no way they could have mistaken this for a planned invasion. Also these drills are held every year. NK seems to be flexing its muscles and usually the reason is the ruling party wants to get public support behind it. We tend to think that the NK leaders only do what they do to send a message to the outside world but actually often the action is also calculated to send a message to its own population. People are starving there again because the conservative SK government halted aid shipments after the sinking of the warship earlier this year. With acts of aggression the NK leaders probably hope to accomplish two things- one, as I mentioned before, is to divert the population's attention from their own starvation and worsening economic conditions and the second is to try and pressure the SK government into starting up aid shipments again. However I don't think it's going to work this time. The Lee Myeong Bak administration seems pretty determined not to cave into any sort of pressure from the north and not restart economic aid at least until the north apologizes for the Cheonan sinking and cooperates fully with nuclear inspectors from the UN. SK had ten years of liberal rule during which the 'sunshine' policy was used. This involved continuous aid shipments to and attempts to increase economic cooperation with the North no matter what provocative things they did in order to try and work towards eventual reunification. It seemed to work to some extent with less acts of aggression by the north and the relative success of north-south economic ventures within the north like the gaesong industrial complex and geumgangsan tourism. However it was also a failure as the whole time the north cooperated in some areas they were also secretly continuing to develop their nuclear program and there was no democratization and increased rights for it's citizens. In the end it seemed like all the aid shipments and economic help were just making the NK elites richer and doing nothing to change the attitudes of the leaders. The current conservative government is different and seems determined to call NK's bluff. No matter what aggressive acts the north pulls this time I don't think the current administration is going to compromise. In the end NK knows it can't win a war against SK and the US and China won't intervene if they are the aggressors so all they have is posturing. The US will most definitely intervene, but intervene on the side of SK. The US has an incredibly high amount of troops in SK for the purpose of defending SK and providing counterattack measures on the North to disrupt communications and nuclear capabilities. US supports SK stronger than almost any other nation in the world, save Israel (and maybe Japan). | ||
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Benshin88
United States183 Posts
On November 23 2010 17:53 tomatriedes wrote: They knew in advance that it was a drill so there's no way they could have mistaken this for a planned invasion. Also these drills are held every year. NK seems to be flexing its muscles and usually the reason is the ruling party wants to get public support behind it. We tend to think that the NK leaders only do what they do to send a message to the outside world but actually often the action is also calculated to send a message to its own population. People are starving there again because the conservative SK government halted aid shipments after the sinking of the warship earlier this year. With acts of aggression the NK leaders probably hope to accomplish two things- one, as I mentioned before, is to divert the population's attention from their own starvation and worsening economic conditions and the second is to try and pressure the SK government into starting up aid shipments again. However I don't think it's going to work this time. The Lee Myeong Bak administration seems pretty determined not to cave into any sort of pressure from the north and not restart economic aid at least until the north apologizes for the Cheonan sinking and cooperates fully with nuclear inspectors from the UN. SK had ten years of liberal rule during which the 'sunshine' policy was used. This involved continuous aid shipments to and attempts to increase economic cooperation with the North no matter what provocative things they did in order to try and work towards eventual reunification. It seemed to work to some extent with less acts of aggression by the north and the relative success of north-south economic ventures within the north like the gaesong industrial complex and geumgangsan tourism. However it was also a failure as the whole time the north cooperated in some areas they were also secretly continuing to develop their nuclear program and there was no democratization and increased rights for it's citizens. In the end it seemed like all the aid shipments and economic help were just making the NK elites richer and doing nothing to change the attitudes of the leaders. The current conservative government is different and seems determined to call NK's bluff. No matter what aggressive acts the north pulls this time I don't think the current administration is going to compromise. In the end NK knows it can't win a war against SK and the US and China won't intervene if they are the aggressors so all they have is posturing. North Korea have NEVER NEVER flexed there muscle on South Korean Soil unprovoked. North Koreans soldiers are BRAINWASHED. They are just following orders from their superior. If an attack on South Korean occurs it's because of some NK leader did it. | ||
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bassitone
United States3 Posts
On November 23 2010 17:55 DarthXX wrote: Who needs to watch the news when there's TL, major props.  Especially when one's country's media cares more about a certain "celebrity" on a certain TV program, and when they finally realize something's going on they all copy the AP report instead of adding something new to it. I wasn't going to blog today, but this media fail seems to call for one... | ||
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_KiM_
Canada498 Posts
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ComusLoM
Norway3547 Posts
On November 23 2010 17:58 Warmyth wrote: Holy shit are you sure? EDIT: Please be fake | ||
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CNugent
Korea (South)15 Posts
The only thing SK can hope is that NK changes its policy or just collapses when their new piggy boss takes the leadership. | ||
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_KiM_
Canada498 Posts
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Gingerninja
United Kingdom1339 Posts
On November 23 2010 17:55 konadora wrote: japan news seems to be following this really closely Yeah showing pictures of the artillery rounds on the tv channels atm, I honestly don't know how they'll respond. It's an attack on their country, no other way around it. Japanese news is interviewing Korean citizens and chinese ministers asking opinions, but my language skills aren't strong enough to follow the news that well, so I can' provide much from what Japan is saying. | ||
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LOLtex
United States148 Posts
On November 23 2010 17:56 Shizuru~ wrote: thing is, this might have been caused by some artillery commander went batshit crazy and orders the shelling without the governments knowledge or approval.. that is a possible scenario because really, i don see any point of this attack doesn't look like they would gain anything out of it risking a "shit just got real" situation. then again maybe i'm just failing to see the whole picture. I think this is highly unlikely (contrary to what NK might report). Their leadership is calculating, and is trying to find out just how far they can push this before the world starts slapping then around a bit instead of putting sad face stickers on NK's report card (I'm stealing this, I like it). | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3890 Posts
On November 23 2010 17:54 Pax wrote: IIRC, the only significant ally N. Korea still has at this point is Iran. Any large-scale escalation would be ridiculously one-sided. It might be ridiculously one-sided as in ... North Korea would have no chance of surviving any kind of war. However, they would not leave much of South Korea if any behind them, even without using nuclear bombs, there is surely enough artillery/bombs/missiles/etc to take out most of South Korea with them, when you mix in their nuclear capacity(even at a small level nuclear power is devastating, see WW2 for examples). I don't think this is a simple problem, where you can just be like, cut it out or I'm gonna declare war on you. | ||
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dinmsab
Malaysia2246 Posts
On November 23 2010 17:59 SKTDH wrote: Hearing reports North Korea is preparing additional artillery capable of firing at range of 30km. sources would be appreciated thank you. | ||
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NewteN
United States179 Posts
I'm a little annoyed there isn't any US coverage yet. | ||
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Ganon-
Canada68 Posts
On November 23 2010 17:58 Warmyth wrote: eh I don't think it's reliable.. if you follow korean news twitter, there's a lot of false information flying around right now and I am following MBC which doesn't mention any of this. | ||
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_KiM_
Canada498 Posts
live news wire, MBC | ||
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Siffer
United States467 Posts
NK leaders try to make their citizens feel they have the upper hand when it comes to international affairs. Now that SK has responded, NK either gets shit on by its citizens or NK must go all out. I have a feeling this could end up being a scary situation for SK. | ||
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Benshin88
United States183 Posts
On November 23 2010 17:58 FabledIntegral wrote: The US will most definitely intervene, but intervene on the side of SK. The US has an incredibly high amount of troops in SK for the purpose of defending SK and providing counterattack measures on the North to disrupt communications and nuclear capabilities. US supports SK stronger than almost any other nation in the world, save Israel (and maybe Japan). There are only about 50,000 US troops stationed in SK. It's actually a common misunderstanding. The Korean border is largerly maintained by SK. They have about 700000 active soldiers. SK has the 3rd largest army in the world when you count the reserves. | ||
infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
twitter.com/livenewswire we need a korean translator to confirm this with MBC stream or online news website | ||
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rebdomine
6040 Posts
On November 23 2010 17:58 Warmyth wrote: Holy fucking shit, this better not be true. | ||
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