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One soldier is verified dead. I believe some people are in a coma.
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Has anybody heard of what China, Japan, or U.S has said in response?
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United States4053 Posts
On November 23 2010 17:47 MuuMuuKnight wrote:
Has there been cease fire? or is it ongoing? I hope for minimal injuries from this incident.
Artillery fire has ceased, one confirmed dead and several injured, evacuation of the island is complete.
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On November 23 2010 17:46 Moonling wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 17:44 dinmsab wrote:On November 23 2010 17:42 Gooey wrote:On November 23 2010 17:41 CNugent wrote:
The reason that SK did not fight back is very simple. SK has got more to lose. Even if SK win, I wanna remind you that NK has not just nuclear weps, but also biochemical weps and Seoul is in their range. South Korea has already returned fire. I believe no news station has mentioned how did SK return fire. If it was nothing serious then things should calm down really soon. I hope. I just read either in wall street journal or CNN that SC scambled jets and returned fire
I assume you meant SK... I really hope this is just the media blowing things out of proportion for the sake of sensationalism.
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On November 23 2010 17:45 VikingKong wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 17:42 drhojo wrote:On November 23 2010 17:39 VikingKong wrote:On November 23 2010 17:36 drhojo wrote:On November 23 2010 17:25 StorkHwaiting wrote:On November 23 2010 17:22 drhojo wrote:On November 23 2010 17:19 StorkHwaiting wrote:On November 23 2010 17:11 drhojo wrote:On November 23 2010 17:10 Fenrax wrote:
If China wanted a war, they'd start one. War is the last thing China wants. they want an excuse so that they can get public support for it. Sub 100 poster and you're already trying to flame bait and say nonsense propaganda? Seriously just stop talking. This isn't a thread for infantile bullshit geopolitics 101. your elitism is so much better than my "infantile bullshit geopolitics." I'm just presenting an alternate, plausible view. as someone who is from China and visits it regularly I can say with certainty you can never trust the Chinese government. You're claiming you know the inner workings and strategic thinking of a world superpower on a topic as intricate and complex as N. Korean relations, and you think I'm being elitist? Cut the shit. Yeah, you're from China, and you don't like the gov't, great. Keep your anti-China sentiments in a thread that has China in the title. Propagandist crap like you're spouting is half the reason conflicts like the one being discussed in this thread happen in the first place. To me, your comments are more insulting and inappropriate than any of the dumb cracks about Starcraft, because they're actually the type that cause the most harm. To clarify my statement was merely presently an alternative view and not a declaration. The claim that war is the last thing china wants is unfounded. neither of us knows for sure and thus you can't reject my claims anymore than I can reject yours. I'm not trying to stir up drama, but like the news reports have said escalation could result in war and people should be aware of that portability. Unfounded. Really. And all viewpoints are identical. You can't honestly be this foolish, can you? On November 23 2010 17:11 drhojo wrote:
they want an excuse so that they can get public support for it. is a "an alternate view"? and "not a declaration?" So the "escalation could result in war and people should be aware" and "they want an excuse"? What the fuck? That doesn't even make sense. I didn't say they were identical. I said neither can be rejected. Initiating an attack versus defending a neighbor are viewed completely different politically. No one lives their life thinking about shit that can't be rejected because it can't be proved. You disregard the obvious impossibilities. China DOES NOT WANT WAR IN THIS CONTEXT. There is no way anyone with any amount of understanding of the geopolitics of this situation could think otherwise. your certainly of peace, is cute but naive. you know what they say "ignorance is bliss"
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United States4053 Posts
On November 23 2010 17:48 Moonling wrote:
Has anybody heard of what China, Japan, or U.S has said in response?
I only know China's foreign ministry said that they were looking into the situation/verifying the facts, but they wanted the two sides to resolve the issue peaceably and cooperatively.
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anyone have more links? trying to stream updates.
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On November 23 2010 17:48 Moonling wrote:
Has anybody heard of what China, Japan, or U.S has said in response?
China wants everyone to relax. Says they're waiting for facts, but really, they pretty much just said that they want the status quo to remain.
On November 23 2010 17:48 drhojo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 17:45 VikingKong wrote:On November 23 2010 17:42 drhojo wrote:On November 23 2010 17:39 VikingKong wrote:On November 23 2010 17:36 drhojo wrote:On November 23 2010 17:25 StorkHwaiting wrote:On November 23 2010 17:22 drhojo wrote:On November 23 2010 17:19 StorkHwaiting wrote:On November 23 2010 17:11 drhojo wrote:On November 23 2010 17:10 Fenrax wrote:
If China wanted a war, they'd start one. War is the last thing China wants. they want an excuse so that they can get public support for it. Sub 100 poster and you're already trying to flame bait and say nonsense propaganda? Seriously just stop talking. This isn't a thread for infantile bullshit geopolitics 101. your elitism is so much better than my "infantile bullshit geopolitics." I'm just presenting an alternate, plausible view. as someone who is from China and visits it regularly I can say with certainty you can never trust the Chinese government. You're claiming you know the inner workings and strategic thinking of a world superpower on a topic as intricate and complex as N. Korean relations, and you think I'm being elitist? Cut the shit. Yeah, you're from China, and you don't like the gov't, great. Keep your anti-China sentiments in a thread that has China in the title. Propagandist crap like you're spouting is half the reason conflicts like the one being discussed in this thread happen in the first place. To me, your comments are more insulting and inappropriate than any of the dumb cracks about Starcraft, because they're actually the type that cause the most harm. To clarify my statement was merely presently an alternative view and not a declaration. The claim that war is the last thing china wants is unfounded. neither of us knows for sure and thus you can't reject my claims anymore than I can reject yours. I'm not trying to stir up drama, but like the news reports have said escalation could result in war and people should be aware of that portability. Unfounded. Really. And all viewpoints are identical. You can't honestly be this foolish, can you? On November 23 2010 17:11 drhojo wrote:
they want an excuse so that they can get public support for it. is a "an alternate view"? and "not a declaration?" So the "escalation could result in war and people should be aware" and "they want an excuse"? What the fuck? That doesn't even make sense. I didn't say they were identical. I said neither can be rejected. Initiating an attack versus defending a neighbor are viewed completely different politically. No one lives their life thinking about shit that can't be rejected because it can't be proved. You disregard the obvious impossibilities. China DOES NOT WANT WAR IN THIS CONTEXT. There is no way anyone with any amount of understanding of the geopolitics of this situation could think otherwise. your certainly of peace, is cute but naive. you know what they say "ignorance is bliss"
I disagree with that quote. Your ignorance disgusts me.
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On November 23 2010 17:48 Moonling wrote:
Has anybody heard of what China, Japan, or U.S has said in response?
This is pretty much a recent event. Happened like an 1 hour 30 minutes ago. China, Japan and the US will definitely do something tomorrow IE public announcement of some sort.
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MrHoon
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On November 23 2010 17:48 Moonling wrote:
Has anybody heard of what China, Japan, or U.S has said in response?
Japan said nothing officially, but everyone is in Panic
China wishes there would be peace with two countries (aka they aren't going to interfere)
America has their troops ready, but nothing official
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This is pretty serious, hope things settle down but someday the tensions are gonna blow up completely.
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United States4053 Posts
On November 23 2010 17:49 ChaseR wrote:
This is pretty serious, 4 dead 70 houses burnt down, hope things settle down but someday the tensions are gonna blow up completely.
where did you get 4 dead
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I love how everyone turns into a military/political analyst in these kind of threads >_>.
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I am gonna give my final thought on this.
SK has the worst political and geographical Position one can imagine. they have with NK a potencial crazy Neighbour who always seek to provoke or attaks and then uses up Excuses.
Sure SK could retaliate and start a War which could quickly derail into even WW.
On the other Side you also have to consider, should SK always take this kind of actions for a Given possible loose massive Ressources and also Lifes of their ppl for some antics of their crazy Neighbour should they just take it and do nothing as much as I want peace I dont think so.
and what about that dead Soldier, Friends, Family getting a nice little letter saying your ... died for the Fartherland but we cant avenge him cause we have to look out for the peace of the World.
Worst political Situation for SK one can think of.
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On November 23 2010 17:48 drhojo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 17:45 VikingKong wrote:On November 23 2010 17:42 drhojo wrote:On November 23 2010 17:39 VikingKong wrote:On November 23 2010 17:36 drhojo wrote:On November 23 2010 17:25 StorkHwaiting wrote:On November 23 2010 17:22 drhojo wrote:On November 23 2010 17:19 StorkHwaiting wrote:On November 23 2010 17:11 drhojo wrote:On November 23 2010 17:10 Fenrax wrote:
If China wanted a war, they'd start one. War is the last thing China wants. they want an excuse so that they can get public support for it. Sub 100 poster and you're already trying to flame bait and say nonsense propaganda? Seriously just stop talking. This isn't a thread for infantile bullshit geopolitics 101. your elitism is so much better than my "infantile bullshit geopolitics." I'm just presenting an alternate, plausible view. as someone who is from China and visits it regularly I can say with certainty you can never trust the Chinese government. You're claiming you know the inner workings and strategic thinking of a world superpower on a topic as intricate and complex as N. Korean relations, and you think I'm being elitist? Cut the shit. Yeah, you're from China, and you don't like the gov't, great. Keep your anti-China sentiments in a thread that has China in the title. Propagandist crap like you're spouting is half the reason conflicts like the one being discussed in this thread happen in the first place. To me, your comments are more insulting and inappropriate than any of the dumb cracks about Starcraft, because they're actually the type that cause the most harm. To clarify my statement was merely presently an alternative view and not a declaration. The claim that war is the last thing china wants is unfounded. neither of us knows for sure and thus you can't reject my claims anymore than I can reject yours. I'm not trying to stir up drama, but like the news reports have said escalation could result in war and people should be aware of that portability. Unfounded. Really. And all viewpoints are identical. You can't honestly be this foolish, can you? On November 23 2010 17:11 drhojo wrote:
they want an excuse so that they can get public support for it. is a "an alternate view"? and "not a declaration?" So the "escalation could result in war and people should be aware" and "they want an excuse"? What the fuck? That doesn't even make sense. I didn't say they were identical. I said neither can be rejected. Initiating an attack versus defending a neighbor are viewed completely different politically. No one lives their life thinking about shit that can't be rejected because it can't be proved. You disregard the obvious impossibilities. China DOES NOT WANT WAR IN THIS CONTEXT. There is no way anyone with any amount of understanding of the geopolitics of this situation could think otherwise. your certainly of peace, is cute but naive. you know what they say "ignorance is bliss"
Also the idea of rejecting ideas one by one until the truth is left is the foundation of the scientific theory.
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Would those who are currently in Korea comment on what the situation is like? According to posts on Reddit from those living in SK, people are just going about their way as if nothing happened(???).
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F22 RAPTORs from US military bases in Japan are currently standing by in the sky of SK. Any further provocation will not be tolerated, I think.
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On November 23 2010 17:44 Spidinko wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 17:41 gostunv wrote:
How long is SK just gonna let NK keep killing their people? All signs point to NK not stopping the random attacks. With the recent revelation of NK's new uranium enrichment plant, I'd say taking action faster while SK side still has leverage would be a better idea than to wait for NK to develop their own nukes. SK really doesn't want to go into a war with NK. It's actually better for them to lose a ship here and there than to go to war. They preffer to wait it out till NK changes it's policy.
Do that many people actually believe that NK will change their policies anytime soon? Without a coup detat it aint happening. Unless the next heir apparent Kim Jong-un is a swell guy and he thinks what his Dad's been doing is bad, which I highly doubt.
*sigh* the world is a fuked place
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Seems like the people evacuated from the island are starting to arrive in the mainland safely
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