• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:29
CEST 12:29
KST 19:29
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event5Serral wins EWC 202543Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9
Community News
SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 193Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up6LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments5[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder10EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4
StarCraft 2
General
YouTube Income Criteria Explained: How to Qualify Rogue Talks: "Koreans could dominate again" uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread
Tourneys
SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) WardiTV Mondays RSL Season 2 Qualifier Links and Dates
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion ASL Season 20 Ro24 Groups Player “Jedi” cheat on CSL BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ StarCraft player reflex TE scores
Tourneys
KCM 2025 Season 3 Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Beyond All Reason [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Gaming After Dark: Poor Slee…
TrAiDoS
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 627 users

North Korea Fires Artillery Rounds at South Korean Island…

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 115 116 117 118 119 147 Next
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
November 28 2010 03:11 GMT
#2321
On November 28 2010 12:09 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2010 12:07 AttackZerg wrote:
On November 28 2010 12:06 Hakker wrote:
On November 28 2010 12:03 Ballistixz wrote:
On November 28 2010 11:59 AttackZerg wrote:
On November 28 2010 11:58 Deadlyhazard wrote:
Oh god is active war starting right now?

Not yet, ...... anybody who believes in prayer, please start now.



indeed. and N koreas leader has his nuke button finger itching.


AFAIK north korea doesn't have any practical nukes.

That doesn't mean they couldnt cause tons of damage. They easily have the firepower to do grave damage to a good portion of the korean peninsula.


Wrong, right now they have between 8-12, fully equipped nukes, at least.


Okay, i was reading your posts about the lasers etc with open mind, but now you are just sounding really strange. Please, show us some legit sources about this. As far as i know, they've been doing research study etc and all kind of small drills, but no fully equipped nukes yet.


Why not read what I say and then fucking google it? It might save time. All of this has been covered extensively recently.
night terrors
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
China1284 Posts
November 28 2010 03:12 GMT
#2322
On November 28 2010 12:10 AttackZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2010 12:08 DreamScaR wrote:
From what I'm hearing from this dude on BBC News he was saying something to the lines of, last week USA was invited to see uranium? (can't remember exactly) being used for military purposes which was a direct message to the white house. With with North Korea is currently doing, with preparing S2S and S2A missiles they're showing the Blue House (S.Korea Parlament) the same concept, but in a different way.




Yes the american specialists were quoted as saying they had an "Ultra-modern" lab and that they were fully functional in the nuclear industry now.


"Ultra-modern lab" sounds something a very rich high school would have. A country? Wouldnt they have entire facilities to that end?
Through high and low, bisu boy, through high and low.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-28 03:16:38
November 28 2010 03:12 GMT
#2323
On November 28 2010 12:12 night terrors wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2010 12:10 AttackZerg wrote:
On November 28 2010 12:08 DreamScaR wrote:
From what I'm hearing from this dude on BBC News he was saying something to the lines of, last week USA was invited to see uranium? (can't remember exactly) being used for military purposes which was a direct message to the white house. With with North Korea is currently doing, with preparing S2S and S2A missiles they're showing the Blue House (S.Korea Parlament) the same concept, but in a different way.




Yes the american specialists were quoted as saying they had an "Ultra-modern" lab and that they were fully functional in the nuclear industry now.


"Ultra-modern lab" sounds something a very rich high school would have. A country? Wouldnt they have entire facilities to that end?


ultra-modern was the quote, not lab that was my term.

I found this page, not the one I read originally that used a different phrase for their facility
link
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-28 03:18:16
November 28 2010 03:17 GMT
#2324
On November 28 2010 12:11 AttackZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2010 12:09 Grettin wrote:
On November 28 2010 12:07 AttackZerg wrote:
On November 28 2010 12:06 Hakker wrote:
On November 28 2010 12:03 Ballistixz wrote:
On November 28 2010 11:59 AttackZerg wrote:
On November 28 2010 11:58 Deadlyhazard wrote:
Oh god is active war starting right now?

Not yet, ...... anybody who believes in prayer, please start now.



indeed. and N koreas leader has his nuke button finger itching.


AFAIK north korea doesn't have any practical nukes.

That doesn't mean they couldnt cause tons of damage. They easily have the firepower to do grave damage to a good portion of the korean peninsula.


Wrong, right now they have between 8-12, fully equipped nukes, at least.


Okay, i was reading your posts about the lasers etc with open mind, but now you are just sounding really strange. Please, show us some legit sources about this. As far as i know, they've been doing research study etc and all kind of small drills, but no fully equipped nukes yet.


Why not read what I say and then fucking google it? It might save time. All of this has been covered extensively recently.


Jesus. I've read news and stuff but i haven't heard anything about fully equipped nukes. Now you say they do have them, even more than one, but not giving any legit sources about it.

Its nice that you give us really insight info about these things, but atleast put up some sources for people and don't ask people to find themselves.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
November 28 2010 03:19 GMT
#2325
On November 28 2010 12:17 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2010 12:11 AttackZerg wrote:
On November 28 2010 12:09 Grettin wrote:
On November 28 2010 12:07 AttackZerg wrote:
On November 28 2010 12:06 Hakker wrote:
On November 28 2010 12:03 Ballistixz wrote:
On November 28 2010 11:59 AttackZerg wrote:
On November 28 2010 11:58 Deadlyhazard wrote:
Oh god is active war starting right now?

Not yet, ...... anybody who believes in prayer, please start now.



indeed. and N koreas leader has his nuke button finger itching.


AFAIK north korea doesn't have any practical nukes.

That doesn't mean they couldnt cause tons of damage. They easily have the firepower to do grave damage to a good portion of the korean peninsula.


Wrong, right now they have between 8-12, fully equipped nukes, at least.


Okay, i was reading your posts about the lasers etc with open mind, but now you are just sounding really strange. Please, show us some legit sources about this. As far as i know, they've been doing research study etc and all kind of small drills, but no fully equipped nukes yet.


Why not read what I say and then fucking google it? It might save time. All of this has been covered extensively recently.


Jesus. I've read news and stuff but i haven't heard anything about fully equipped nukes. Now you say they do have them, even more than one, but not giving any legit sources about it.

Its nice that you give us really insight info about these things, but atleast put up some sources for people and don't ask people to find themselves.


They have had plutonium based nuclear weapons since 2006 when they first publicly tested them, they tested them again in 2009. That will be easy to google.
Ballistixz
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1269 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-28 03:20:48
November 28 2010 03:19 GMT
#2326
On November 28 2010 12:17 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2010 12:11 AttackZerg wrote:
On November 28 2010 12:09 Grettin wrote:
On November 28 2010 12:07 AttackZerg wrote:
On November 28 2010 12:06 Hakker wrote:
On November 28 2010 12:03 Ballistixz wrote:
On November 28 2010 11:59 AttackZerg wrote:
On November 28 2010 11:58 Deadlyhazard wrote:
Oh god is active war starting right now?

Not yet, ...... anybody who believes in prayer, please start now.



indeed. and N koreas leader has his nuke button finger itching.


AFAIK north korea doesn't have any practical nukes.

That doesn't mean they couldnt cause tons of damage. They easily have the firepower to do grave damage to a good portion of the korean peninsula.


Wrong, right now they have between 8-12, fully equipped nukes, at least.


Okay, i was reading your posts about the lasers etc with open mind, but now you are just sounding really strange. Please, show us some legit sources about this. As far as i know, they've been doing research study etc and all kind of small drills, but no fully equipped nukes yet.


Why not read what I say and then fucking google it? It might save time. All of this has been covered extensively recently.


Jesus. I've read news and stuff but i haven't heard anything about fully equipped nukes. Now you say they do have them, even more than one, but not giving any legit sources about it.

Its nice that you give us really insight about these things, but atleast put up some sources for people and don't ask people to find themselves.



its pretty wide known that they have WoMDs. but what i would like to know is where is your source that says they do not have full equipped nukes despite the news of them testing them?
DreamScaR
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Canada2127 Posts
November 28 2010 03:20 GMT
#2327
"Instead of seeing a few small cascades of centrifuges, which I believed to exist in North Korea, we saw a modern, clean centrifuge plant of more than a thousand centrifuges all neatly aligned and plumbed below us," Hecker wrote.

He described the control room as "astonishingly modern," writing that, unlike other North Korean facilities, it "would fit into any modern American processing facility."


North Korea said last year it was in the final stage of enriching uranium, sparking worries that the country may add uranium-based weapons to enlarge its stockpile of atomic bombs made from plutonium. Experts say the North has yielded enough weaponized plutonium for at least a half dozen atomic bombs.


Both from the link posted by AttackZerg
~ Aka ItsWoodrow on Twitter
FindingPride
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1001 Posts
November 28 2010 03:21 GMT
#2328
within about 3-5 hours i guess we will find out if NK is all talk and no play.
DreamScaR
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Canada2127 Posts
November 28 2010 03:23 GMT
#2329
On November 28 2010 12:21 FindingPride wrote:
within about 3-5 hours i guess we will find out if NK is all talk and no play.

You saying this scares the shit out of me, because that'll be around the time I get home from work and will be settling into bed. The last thing I want to see is something like this to keep me awake hoping that nothing comes of it.
~ Aka ItsWoodrow on Twitter
NuKedUFirst
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada3139 Posts
November 28 2010 03:23 GMT
#2330
On November 28 2010 12:21 FindingPride wrote:
within about 3-5 hours i guess we will find out if NK is all talk and no play.


You think they are going to attack? This is just crazy. Hope it ends well.

Personally I think with North Korea's dictator ending and his son taking over we will see alot more of this.
FrostedMiniWeet wrote: I like winning because it validates all the bloody time I waste playing SC2.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
November 28 2010 03:23 GMT
#2331
On November 28 2010 12:21 FindingPride wrote:
within about 3-5 hours i guess we will find out if NK is all talk and no play.

honestly, the next 1-2 hours will show the results.

If they don't react immediately, they won't.
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
November 28 2010 03:24 GMT
#2332
AttackZerg, I hope your talk about "Photon Laser" shooting down ballistic missiles is true (sorry the closest I found of Photon Lasers in google were Laser Cannons which shot down Mortar Fire from 2008, I guess america could have made huge improvements)

Right now, the media is doing everything they can to keep the SK people calm.
dats racist
Ballistixz
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1269 Posts
November 28 2010 03:25 GMT
#2333
lets hope nothing happens, because if some does happens it will end very very badly for both of the koreas.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-28 03:28:20
November 28 2010 03:26 GMT
#2334
On November 28 2010 12:24 MrHoon wrote:
AttackZerg, I hope your talk about "Photon Laser" shooting down ballistic missiles is true (sorry the closest I found of Photon Lasers in google were Laser Cannons which shot down Mortar Fire from 2008, I guess america could have made huge improvements)

Right now, the media is doing everything they can to keep the SK people calm.



Go to youtube to see more modern testing.

It isn't b/s brother.

They can do it from the air. Not just from the ground.



there are alot more
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-28 03:29:56
November 28 2010 03:28 GMT
#2335
On November 28 2010 12:19 Ballistixz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2010 12:17 Grettin wrote:
On November 28 2010 12:11 AttackZerg wrote:
On November 28 2010 12:09 Grettin wrote:
On November 28 2010 12:07 AttackZerg wrote:
On November 28 2010 12:06 Hakker wrote:
On November 28 2010 12:03 Ballistixz wrote:
On November 28 2010 11:59 AttackZerg wrote:
On November 28 2010 11:58 Deadlyhazard wrote:
Oh god is active war starting right now?

Not yet, ...... anybody who believes in prayer, please start now.



indeed. and N koreas leader has his nuke button finger itching.


AFAIK north korea doesn't have any practical nukes.

That doesn't mean they couldnt cause tons of damage. They easily have the firepower to do grave damage to a good portion of the korean peninsula.


Wrong, right now they have between 8-12, fully equipped nukes, at least.


Okay, i was reading your posts about the lasers etc with open mind, but now you are just sounding really strange. Please, show us some legit sources about this. As far as i know, they've been doing research study etc and all kind of small drills, but no fully equipped nukes yet.


Why not read what I say and then fucking google it? It might save time. All of this has been covered extensively recently.


Jesus. I've read news and stuff but i haven't heard anything about fully equipped nukes. Now you say they do have them, even more than one, but not giving any legit sources about it.

Its nice that you give us really insight about these things, but atleast put up some sources for people and don't ask people to find themselves.



its pretty wide known that they have WoMDs. but what i would like to know is where is your source that says they do not have full equipped nukes despite the news of them testing them?


Im basing my saying what ive read from news, im not saying anything that would be 100% true. North Korea has declared that they have nuclear weapons. They also have declared that they made the first successful nuclear test in 2006.

They say everything but where are the actual proofs that they might have fully equipped nuclear weapons? Or is it common sense now? That is what im seeking here, and since i am not anything close to an expert of nuclear weapons or military things, im just curious . Im not trying to accuse you for false information. Our Local news really haven't covered anything about that. (no i don't live in US)
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Duban
Profile Joined July 2009
United States548 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-28 03:31:21
November 28 2010 03:30 GMT
#2336
Im basing my saying what ive read from news, im not saying anything that would be 100% true. North Korea has declared that they have nuclear weapons. They also have declared that they made the first successful nuclear test in 2006.

They say everything but where are the actual proofs that they might have fully equipped nuclear weapons? That is what im seeking here, and since i am not anything close to an expert of nuclear weapons or military things, im just curious . Im not trying to accuse you for false information. Our Local news really haven't covered anything about that. (no i don't live in US)

You do realize that it's impossible to detonate a nuke without everyone knowing right? We can easily detect the seismic disturbance caused by a multi-kiloton blast and have been for many decades. You're right that we couldn't take NK's word for it, but the point is mute as we heard their first attempt fuzz out at 500t and an actual blast since then.
An ignorant person makes a mistake. A stupid person makes it again.
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
November 28 2010 03:30 GMT
#2337
On November 28 2010 12:26 AttackZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2010 12:24 MrHoon wrote:
AttackZerg, I hope your talk about "Photon Laser" shooting down ballistic missiles is true (sorry the closest I found of Photon Lasers in google were Laser Cannons which shot down Mortar Fire from 2008, I guess america could have made huge improvements)

Right now, the media is doing everything they can to keep the SK people calm.



Go to youtube to see more modern testing.

It isn't b/s brother.

They can do it from the air. Not just from the ground.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIbPpiSdHz8

there are alot more

hopefully the US brought enough of those to SK

and thanks for the source! I'll be doin ma lil research today
if there is a today ofcourse
dats racist
All.In
Profile Joined August 2010
United States214 Posts
November 28 2010 03:32 GMT
#2338
The laser thing is 100% true seen the show my self. Btw it was recently and they said 13 seconds to destroy the war head it so accurate it doesn't hit anything else. Will be installed on all ship in the next couple years. it's sorta like the next step in star wars program started back in late 90's.
It is what it is
Lowkin
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada232 Posts
November 28 2010 03:32 GMT
#2339
N.K has nuclear weapons but don't they lack the means to properly deploy them for greater distances than just the penisula?

Like if this war goes nuclear only the Korean penisula is at danger unless china gets involved?

also a smuggled video of NK

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/southkorea/8165274/North-Koreas-undercover-journalists-reveal-misery-of-life-in-dictatorship.html
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
November 28 2010 03:33 GMT
#2340
On November 28 2010 12:30 MrHoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2010 12:26 AttackZerg wrote:
On November 28 2010 12:24 MrHoon wrote:
AttackZerg, I hope your talk about "Photon Laser" shooting down ballistic missiles is true (sorry the closest I found of Photon Lasers in google were Laser Cannons which shot down Mortar Fire from 2008, I guess america could have made huge improvements)

Right now, the media is doing everything they can to keep the SK people calm.



Go to youtube to see more modern testing.

It isn't b/s brother.

They can do it from the air. Not just from the ground.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIbPpiSdHz8

there are alot more

hopefully the US brought enough of those to SK

and thanks for the source! I'll be doin ma lil research today
if there is a today ofcourse

Every single american boat in your waters has these. The planes flying too high to be seen have them. They are "supposedly" in space also.

Just pray that your nation calls us to defence soon enough!
Prev 1 115 116 117 118 119 147 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
RSL Revival
10:00
S2: Korea Server Qualifier
CranKy Ducklings96
Rex55
Gemini_1939
IntoTheiNu 16
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Crank 1182
RotterdaM 230
Rex 55
MindelVK 26
SC2Nice 11
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 2791
Calm 2767
Rain 2556
Horang2 1088
Flash 997
firebathero 645
Larva 541
Stork 403
EffOrt 305
BeSt 292
[ Show more ]
Barracks 276
hero 234
ggaemo 186
Dewaltoss 117
Soma 94
Killer 90
Last 71
Noble 70
Pusan 70
Aegong 61
JulyZerg 46
yabsab 33
NaDa 14
IntoTheRainbow 12
Sharp 9
Movie 8
ToSsGirL 2
Dota 2
XcaliburYe907
XaKoH 823
Fuzer 181
boxi98138
Super Smash Bros
Westballz55
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor181
Other Games
singsing1559
DeMusliM204
SortOf134
EmSc Tv 18
ArmadaUGS12
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick824
BasetradeTV32
EmSc Tv 18
StarCraft 2
EmSc2Tv 18
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta22
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
SC Evo League
1h 31m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4h 31m
CSO Cup
5h 31m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
23h 31m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 4h
Wardi Open
2 days
RotterdaM Event
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Summer Champion…
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
[ Show More ]
PiGosaur Monday
3 days
WardiTV Summer Champion…
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
WardiTV Summer Champion…
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
LiuLi Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.