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On November 26 2010 02:15 ImFromPortugal wrote:Tarpley: US using Korea to make money
North Korea and South Korea exchanged artillery fire yesterday. All the while the United States dollar has strengthened as bad blood between North and South Korea means big business for the US. Investigative journalist Webster Tarpley says the financial district is taking part in a flight to safety moving money in the US treasury, using North Korea as a catalyst to make other nations depend on the US.YOUTUBE LINK (MUST SEE)
What makes this a "MUST SEE"? That guy had no idea what he was talking about and he couldn't even pronounce Kim Jong Un right. To top it off, the headline had nothing to do with the content of the video. He said the US Dollar was benefiting from the war, not that the US was "USING KOREAS TO MAKE MONEY".
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you people and your conspiracy theories. take off the tinfoil hat and spit out the koolaid
Occam's razor ppl...
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Stop the ridiculous conspiracy theories please.. the US does not earn money on this. Markets get very tense world wide. Some people always makes money on this stuff, but that is local earnings that help the markets feel a bit safer..that's all.
On November 25 2010 16:29 FrostOtter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 15:21 Jugglenaught wrote:
. Quite frankly, I think Obama is just the man to deal with such things. What are you basing that on? Obama has caved on every single major issue that he claimed to stand for, from Israeli-Palestinian negotiations to health care reform to Gitmo. Why would you think he would be the man to deal with any of this?
Please. These questions are very hard, and americans are easily subdued by media because of lack of knowledge in many less fortunate (white) people. When you think climatechange(in this era) is not man made on a huge scale in the general population, convinced by greedy lobbyist because of e-mails that does not disprove a thing factually, something is wrong on a grassroot level. Poor Obama, and good americans out there..the health care not going through properly is just so tragic. The US have been destroying them selves with paranoid(happens when you are more scared your kids see a vagina, than a decapitation), and misguided fundamental decisions constantly since Clinton left office. Letting the banks use you like garbage. The ridiculous extremist(yes, actually, and I am no leftist..both sides have extremes) right wing media frenzy on Obama being indecisive, and therefore weak is soo tragically wrong. He has more real balls than any president since RFK almost became president. Going to war on misinforming paranoid, and uneducated americans is so weak on an historically high level. The educated use the crap out of the large amount of uneducated. That's the main problem of the class divided US. The american dream is not open to everyone just because it's there as an ideal, and people can not forge their own happiness being given so little to start out with. My sisters family(married to an american man, who btw had never seen the ocean before he met her) just moved back to Norway. My innocent niece and nephew at 9, and 10 years old went to a regular public school in Scottsdale(!), and had to go through metal detectors for weapon checks every day(insane gun policies). That tells you some grandiose political plans on a social level needs to be implemented STAT. As long as nobody wants to contribute with healthy taxes for the benefit of everyone, the amoount of less fortunate will only grow, and future generations will pay the price on all levels. Fully, uncontrolled, public, privatized institutions as a barebone will always be about more money, and never be open to all social classes. The trick is balancing a market economy with an unrockable foundation of basic security for everybody. This is also how you make money as a country. Keeping people safe, and happy. Speculating with peoples lives in the pot is not humane, or economically viable.
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- I was derailing the thread, going to take this to PM. Sorry.
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Forget it..derailing my self.
FrostOtter: Leave the disecting good will hunting delusions in the mirror please. I am not gonna take the time to write a respons to all those personal conclusions with no basis, and references to typical american communist misconseptions from biased litterature, because I like what you wright. At the same time, I do not support communism, or bolsjevism, but moderate socialism as the norwegian model with a normal market economy, and democracy(which is not old eastern germany, or some ridiculous old popagandan believes which includes restraining growth, and desiding for people..the republicans, and non-liberals deside for people every day with pushing informal norms and moralism on ppl).
I should have never quoted you in the first place. Most of what I said had nothing to do with what you said(and was in frustration, as your crap), exept the fact that it sickens me that many americans do not appreciate Obama, and what he has actually done, especially internationally. Putting out bonfires your cowboys have set. Domestically he is leading you down the only path that does not involve a large quantity of people suffering for ever. Now some people are more happy than they can appreciate, at the expence of all the ones with no happiness. I am not condoning control of rich people, or some bs like that, just a little fucking help for the poor, and contribution like Obama.
In answering your actual question: you try to dispute his inefficiancy because he has not solved the americans problems, like anyone could be effective on those terms. No president, or super-intelligent alien could after that ridiculous mess, and he has taken all the right measures for the long and short run, taght from allie countries that has lived well through the finacial crisis, like Norway.
When you say he is trying to please to many people: Obama can't do shit without the house of representatives, and senate, who work against him like bad herpes..and if he does, hell is to pay.
About the gun thing: it was meant as a side remark, not as a cause ofc.
About "educated" people who have never seen the ocean: I am sorry, but it really doesn't matter what degree you have if you base nothing from experience, and have seen nothing. You have no basis for being critical towards the mass of non-neutral political information fundend by buisness men with personal agendas, or any information for that matter, and that is very dangerous when the US has a very direct democracy(which is good if people are given the right info, and not "a point of psychotic view"), and people can deside on things that has international effects. Most people just don't know best with that many mis/uninformed people in the bowl, and therefore are very susceptible to graphics and wawing american flags in republican commercials. There is very little integrity in the US media. Your politicians can be funded by buisnesses during the campaign..hello?! That is just one example of danger when media has no interest in pedagogically correct portraying of information, and nobody cares about balancing it. George Bush had never been in Europe(and most critical places) when he became president..do you know how dangerous that is? Some states have illegalized evolution theory, and teaches creationsim instead..that is teaching kids fairytales as facts. I am just giving a few examples, and pictorial profiles of why staying in the US your whole life is not good, and society gets ruined. I am not saying these are the only causes at all, and it is complex as hell. But mentality like this on a large scale, even on a government level, suggests that almost anything crazy is possible.
I am really not trying to elaborate a thesis around any statement, and I just connect some dots, but mostly say what I feel.
Just a little side note: I love more of the US than I hate. New York is a dream come true. All countries has flaws. But what annoys me is the misunderstood patriotism, and refusing to be critical of your country(not you) in some retarded effort to keep together, or justify stupid decitions. I just wish more people in the US got what they deserve, and stopped getting fucked by bad politics, and devils in christian fundamental disguises.
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On November 26 2010 05:56 oRacLeGosu wrote:
. These questions are very hard, and americans are easily subdued by media because of lack of knowledge in many less fortunate (white) people.
I'm not even sure what you were getting at with that post.
When you think climatechange(in this era) is not man made on a huge scale in the general population, convinced by greedy lobbyist because of e-mails that does not disprove a thing factually, something is wrong on a grassroot level.
When did I say that I thought that?
Poor Obama, and good americans out there..the health care not going through properly is just so tragic. The US have been destroying them selves with paranoid(happens when you are more scared your kids see a vagina, than a decapitation), and misguided fundamental decisions constantly since Clinton left office. Letting the banks use you like garbage. The ridiculous extremist(yes, actually, and I am no leftist..both sides have extremes) right wing media frenzy on Obama being indecisive, and therefore weak is soo tragically wrong.
He is weak because he is too willing to try to please everyone, and you can't. It isn't right wing media frenzy, and I'm not a right-winger.
He has more real balls than any president since RFK almost became president.
So he has more balls than any president since that guy that was never president and therefore has no history to compare to?
Going to war on misinforming paranoid, and uneducated americans is so weak on an historically high level. The educated use the crap out of the large amount of uneducated. That's the main problem of the class divided US. The american dream is not open to everyone just because it's there as an ideal, and people can not forge their own happiness being given so little to start out with.
I don't see what this freshmen course lecture has to do with what I said. I have a Masters Degree, so you are going to have to do a little better than "shock" me with the realization that the American dream is largely false.
My sisters family(married to an american man, who btw had never seen the ocean before he met her) just moved back to Norway.
That doesn't shock me, either. Do you have any idea how big America is? Granted, it is sad he hadn't traveled more, but you can easily live your life being educated and American and never have seen an ocean. Take, for example, someone who was born in Chicago.
My innocent niece and nephew at 9, and 10 years old went to a regular public school in Scottsdale(!), and had to go through metal detectors for weapon checks every day(insane gun policies). That tells you some grandiose political plans on a social level needs to be implemented STAT.
Yes, metal detectors tell me that something is wrong with the country, because no other country has metal detectors. But we could elaborate on the problem by pointing out that gun policy is not the only root of the problem, as guns have been freely available in American for centuries and have only recently been introduced into culture in the form of school shootings. As American increasingly becomes a Foucauldian panopticon state, stress cannot be resolved through traditional avenues, and as such begins to build until it releases itself in violent ways through certain individuals.
As long as nobody wants to contribute with healthy taxes for the benefit of everyone, the amoount of less fortunate will only grow, and future generations will pay the price on all levels. Fully, uncontrolled, public, privatized institutions as a barebone will always be about more money, and never be open to all social classes. The trick is balancing a market economy with an unrockable foundation of basic security for everybody. This is also how you make money as a country. Keeping people safe, and happy. Speculating with peoples lives in the pot is not humane, or economically viable.
When you are done telling me what Spark Notes told you about Marx, Engel, and Horkheimer and Adorno, I would ask that you would please respond to what I actually posted and tell me exactly how Obama is anything but ineffective. Mind you, I'm not saying he is ineffective because he is a weak person, but that he is simply ineffective, no matter what the reason is. Please refute me, and next time do try to bring something more than the annotated Communist Manifesto, an Econ 101 textbook, and platitudes about the American dream.
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North Korea has time and again proved itself to be a threat to the world, but instead we participate in campaigns against countries who barely have the ability to project power within their own borders. Its just ridiculous.
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Well the way I see it, there's going to be one of two possibilities this weekend.
Possibility # 1 (More likely.)
US and Korean forces undergo their scheduled military drills near the DMZ. North Korea is fumingly mad, but suddenly all their tough-talk bravado falls apart when it comes to actually making first strike. After all, the US and South Korean forces are basically sitting ducks out there, easily within artillery range. If North Korea isn't bullshitting about the whole "ONE MORE provocation and you're all taking a dirt nap!" ordeal, then they'd light up Seoul overnight. In this instance however, just like many times past, North Korea becomes a no-show and embarasses itself even more, if that's at all possible.
Possibility # 2 (Unlikely, to be honest.)
North Korea finally grows a pair and makes an abrupt change to this weekend's forecast in Korea: a bad case of explosive hail. Casualties will be high on both sides, however given the sheer magnitude of advanced weaponry in the US army, I suspect this would become the shortest conflict known to man.
Something to stake out for this weekend I suppose, if you're really concerned about this particular flare up. I'll be watching the Grey Cup game instead. (Go Riders!)
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On November 26 2010 14:08 Blanke wrote:
Possibility # 2 (Unlikely, to be honest.)
North Korea finally grows a pair and makes an abrupt change to this weekend's forecast in Korea: a bad case of explosive hail. Casualties will be high on both sides, however given the sheer magnitude of advanced weaponry in the US army, I suspect this would become the shortest conflict known to man.
Something to stake out for this weekend I suppose, if you're really concerned about this particular flare up. I'll be watching the Grey Cup game instead. (Go Riders!)
I dont think if this goes to war its going to be the shortest conflict ever. Korea has spent the last 50 years at war and has placed its military power as the nations number 1# priority, even over proper food supplies. That country is built for war the metro is like 110m below ground. They have numerous bunkers and military headquarters scattered throughout the country.
If N.Korea attacks first then they are going to do an insane amount of damage. Seoul will be leveled if they actually have nukes then they can possibly wipe a few cities/nations around the area off the map.
I think the US plans for this drill is just posturing to let the other countries know that they are firmly behind S.K. I don't know what there contigency plan will be if N.K does decide that this is a direct insult to them and decides to go crazy. The only way I see US/SK not suffering huge casualties if this war happens is with nukes. The US image will go further down the drain though if they start using nukes.
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On November 26 2010 14:24 Lowkin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2010 14:08 Blanke wrote:
Possibility # 2 (Unlikely, to be honest.)
North Korea finally grows a pair and makes an abrupt change to this weekend's forecast in Korea: a bad case of explosive hail. Casualties will be high on both sides, however given the sheer magnitude of advanced weaponry in the US army, I suspect this would become the shortest conflict known to man.
Something to stake out for this weekend I suppose, if you're really concerned about this particular flare up. I'll be watching the Grey Cup game instead. (Go Riders!) I dont think if this goes to war its going to be the shortest conflict ever. Korea has spent the last 50 years at war and has placed its military power as the nations number 1# priority, even over proper food supplies. That country is built for war the metro is like 110m below ground. They have numerous bunkers and military headquarters scattered throughout the country. If N.Korea attacks first then they are going to do an insane amount of damage. Seoul will be leveled if they actually have nukes then they can possibly wipe a few cities/nations around the area off the map. I think the US plans for this drill is just posturing to let the other countries know that they are firmly behind S.K. I don't know what there contigency plan will be if N.K does decide that this is a direct insult to them and decides to go crazy. The only way I see US/SK not suffering huge casualties if this war happens is with nukes. The US image will go further down the drain though if they start using nukes.
Well USA already used uranium bullets and nobody seemed to care.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium
But I guess there is going to be little conflict, some artillery fire exchanged. Then perhaps six party talks starts.
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On November 26 2010 14:33 Too_MuchZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2010 14:24 Lowkin wrote:On November 26 2010 14:08 Blanke wrote:
Possibility # 2 (Unlikely, to be honest.)
North Korea finally grows a pair and makes an abrupt change to this weekend's forecast in Korea: a bad case of explosive hail. Casualties will be high on both sides, however given the sheer magnitude of advanced weaponry in the US army, I suspect this would become the shortest conflict known to man.
Something to stake out for this weekend I suppose, if you're really concerned about this particular flare up. I'll be watching the Grey Cup game instead. (Go Riders!) I dont think if this goes to war its going to be the shortest conflict ever. Korea has spent the last 50 years at war and has placed its military power as the nations number 1# priority, even over proper food supplies. That country is built for war the metro is like 110m below ground. They have numerous bunkers and military headquarters scattered throughout the country. If N.Korea attacks first then they are going to do an insane amount of damage. Seoul will be leveled if they actually have nukes then they can possibly wipe a few cities/nations around the area off the map. I think the US plans for this drill is just posturing to let the other countries know that they are firmly behind S.K. I don't know what there contigency plan will be if N.K does decide that this is a direct insult to them and decides to go crazy. The only way I see US/SK not suffering huge casualties if this war happens is with nukes. The US image will go further down the drain though if they start using nukes. Well USA already used uranium bullets and nobody seemed to care. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uraniumBut I guess there is going to be little conflict, some artillery fire exchanged. Then perhaps six party talks starts.
Not the same as nukes.. I don't even know how you thought so, DU shells are used for increased momentum and impact of the bullet because of increased density. Any way nukes would be way out of the question, if any nuke was pointed at NK, China would know and think it was heading towards them (look at maps and see how close N/SK is to china) and launch theirs, MAD all over again, so this war would go out with conventional artillery only. And because the cities are in such close proximity to each other, opposite of who fired first will be leveled in hours.
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On November 26 2010 14:24 Lowkin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2010 14:08 Blanke wrote:
Possibility # 2 (Unlikely, to be honest.)
North Korea finally grows a pair and makes an abrupt change to this weekend's forecast in Korea: a bad case of explosive hail. Casualties will be high on both sides, however given the sheer magnitude of advanced weaponry in the US army, I suspect this would become the shortest conflict known to man.
Something to stake out for this weekend I suppose, if you're really concerned about this particular flare up. I'll be watching the Grey Cup game instead. (Go Riders!) I dont think if this goes to war its going to be the shortest conflict ever. Korea has spent the last 50 years at war and has placed its military power as the nations number 1# priority, even over proper food supplies. That country is built for war the metro is like 110m below ground. They have numerous bunkers and military headquarters scattered throughout the country. If N.Korea attacks first then they are going to do an insane amount of damage. Seoul will be leveled if they actually have nukes then they can possibly wipe a few cities/nations around the area off the map. I think the US plans for this drill is just posturing to let the other countries know that they are firmly behind S.K. I don't know what there contigency plan will be if N.K does decide that this is a direct insult to them and decides to go crazy. The only way I see US/SK not suffering huge casualties if this war happens is with nukes. The US image will go further down the drain though if they start using nukes.
There will be no nukes. We have better sense than to drop a nuke between South Korea, China and Japan.
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Well USA already used uranium bullets and nobody seemed to care. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uraniumBut I guess there is going to be little conflict, some artillery fire exchanged. Then perhaps six party talks starts.
Oh no, it has the word uranium in it so it must be evil. /sarcasm
Like the other person pointed out Depleted uranium isn't anything like a nuke or even natural uranium. Depleted uranium is used because it's one of the densest materials in the world, more so than lead. It also spontaneously combusts on contact with the air so as soon as it hits the target you wind up with one of the best penetrating that can be made plus a cloud of incendiary powder.
As for the toxicity. Uranium 235 is highly radioactive and used in nuclear bombs. Uranium 238 is mostly inert and is called “depleted uranium”. Natural uranium is mostly U238 with some U235 in it, when you remove the U235 you’re left with inert 238. Roughly 50 pounds of U238 for every pound of U235.
Depleted uranium is more toxic as a heavy metal than it is as a radioactive element. It is poisonous, but it’s roughly the same as lead in that regard. If we didn’t use DU we would probably use tungsten, which is even more toxic.
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MrHoon
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what ?
you better be joking.
i dont think you would joke about something like that though.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
whats going on hoon? where/what
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Hmm.
South Korea update: Military official in Seoul says artillery fire appears to be within North Korean territory - Reuters
definitely not looking good though.
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