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Lowkin
Canada232 Posts
On November 26 2010 15:57 Craton wrote: More firing heard. http://www.breakingnews.com/filter/north-korea-shelling You probably dont know but is this firing at a location or just firing as in military drills/practice? | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
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lvatural
United States347 Posts
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Chimon
Canada82 Posts
On November 26 2010 15:57 Craton wrote: More firing heard. http://www.breakingnews.com/filter/north-korea-shelling Also reported by Al Jazeera just now. | ||
MrHoon
10183 Posts
On November 26 2010 15:56 Rekrul wrote: whats going on hoon? where/what gf just txt msged me in full panic I couldn't believe it myself until I turned my TV on I just don't know what to do now. I was paranoid before but now I'm just scared shitless I know NK can't support a war and I know NK isn't stupid enough to start one, but deep down I just know they will actually pull it off | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
On November 26 2010 16:00 Lowkin wrote: You probably dont know but is this firing at a location or just firing as in military drills/practice? Well it sounds like it's fully within NK, but somehow I doubt there isn't some type of intimidation intended. | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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lvatural
United States347 Posts
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SnowFantasy
4173 Posts
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Lazix
Australia378 Posts
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Duban
United States548 Posts
On November 26 2010 16:31 Lazix wrote: Wouldn't it just be for the greater good to just call off the exercises? Or just hold them further south? NK seem pretty serious, I don't see what good will come from just pissing them further off. If we do that then they'll just start bombing SK more often and throwing more temper tantrums. It's like stopping a child that's screaming for a lolipop by giving it to him. Giving them what they want is just going to to make them scream louder next time they want a lolipop. | ||
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Mickey
United States2606 Posts
On November 26 2010 16:31 Lazix wrote: Wouldn't it just be for the greater good to just call off the exercises? Or just hold them further south? NK seem pretty serious, I don't see what good will come from just pissing them further off. It's all a mind game. If North Korea succeeds in bullying South Korea into submission, they know they will have the upper hand in political talks. South Korea is finally fed up with allowing this to happen at the expense of SK casualties. The important issue is whether or not North Korea's trump card, China, will come to play. | ||
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lvatural
United States347 Posts
On November 26 2010 16:32 Duban wrote: If we do that then they'll just start bombing SK more often and throwing more temper tantrums. It's like stopping a child that's screaming for a lolipop by giving it to him. Giving them what they want is just going to to make them scream louder next time they want a lolipop. That's exactly what the US has done in the past. NK has a "tantrum." US gives some form of "aid." It seems like the difference in the current situation is, continuing with your analogy, the child throws a tantrum and instead of giving the kid what he wants, the parent decides to brandish the beating stick to show the kid that if he cries again, he's going to get the ass whooping of his life. | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
On November 26 2010 15:38 Duban wrote: Oh no, it has the word uranium in it so it must be evil. /sarcasm Like the other person pointed out Depleted uranium isn't anything like a nuke or even natural uranium. Depleted uranium is used because it's one of the densest materials in the world, more so than lead. It also spontaneously combusts on contact with the air so as soon as it hits the target you wind up with one of the best penetrating that can be made plus a cloud of incendiary powder. As for the toxicity. Uranium 235 is highly radioactive and used in nuclear bombs. Uranium 238 is mostly inert and is called “depleted uranium”. Natural uranium is mostly U238 with some U235 in it, when you remove the U235 you’re left with inert 238. Roughly 50 pounds of U238 for every pound of U235. Depleted uranium is more toxic as a heavy metal than it is as a radioactive element. It is poisonous, but it’s roughly the same as lead in that regard. If we didn’t use DU we would probably use tungsten, which is even more toxic. Well I would still not go inside destroyed vehicle / tank if shot by those ammunition. Would you? | ||
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Duban
United States548 Posts
Well I would still not go inside destroyed vehicle / tank if shot by those ammunition. Would you? I wouldn't want to go inside a vehicle/tank that's filled with lead or tungsten powder I could inhale either. Like I said, Uranium is a heavy metal and should be treated as such. In terms of radioactivity it's fairly inert. Basing it's danger on the fact that it's related to active U235 is just paranoia and ignorance. | ||
infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On November 26 2010 16:35 Mickey wrote: It's all a mind game. If North Korea succeeds in bullying South Korea into submission, they know they will have the upper hand in political talks. South Korea is finally fed up with allowing this to happen at the expense of SK casualties. The important issue is whether or not North Korea's trump card, China, will come to play. china is only going to back north korea as long as they stay out of war if and when it gets to war, china will view it as something which is not their problem | ||
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ComusLoM
Norway3547 Posts
On November 26 2010 16:44 infinitestory wrote: china is only going to back north korea as long as they stay out of war if and when it gets to war, china will view it as something which is not their problem Yeah, China is in a great position here, if it comes to war it can simply stay out of it, however the US doesn't have that type of luxury, if there's war it has to become involved. Of course war would still not be in the best interest of china as stability in the region would benefit everyone, with the possible exception of North Korea unless it gets the aid it desires. It seems like NK is all out trying to prevent these military exercises from going on as planned, because if they do they will lose face if they don't act as promised. They're not stupid enough to want a full scale war and this just seems like a desperate attempt to show that they're serious. I'm confident and hoping that the US and SK will simply call their bluff and go on with the operation. I really doubt North Korea would be willing to start a war over this. | ||
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Lowkin
Canada232 Posts
On November 26 2010 16:51 ComusLoM wrote: Yeah, China is in a great position here, if it comes to war it can simply stay out of it, however the US doesn't have that type of luxury, if there's war it has to become involved. Of course war would still not be in the best interest of china as stability in the region would benefit everyone, with the possible exception of North Korea unless it gets the aid it desires. It seems like NK is all out trying to prevent these military exercises from going on as planned, because if they do they will lose face if they don't act as promised. They're not stupid enough to want a full scale war and this just seems like a desperate attempt to show that they're serious. I'm confident and hoping that the US and SK will simply call their bluff and go on with the operation. I really doubt North Korea would be willing to start a war over this. I don't think China can stay uninvolved if this war breaks out. They wont have to join military fighting though but there will still be a huge impact upon them. They are on a direct border with Korea so if war does break out they are going to have a huge inflow of refugees and the possibility of nuclear fallout. | ||
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lvatural
United States347 Posts
On November 26 2010 16:51 ComusLoM wrote: Yeah, China is in a great position here, if it comes to war it can simply stay out of it, however the US doesn't have that type of luxury, if there's war it has to become involved. Of course war would still not be in the best interest of china as stability in the region would benefit everyone, with the possible exception of North Korea unless it gets the aid it desires. It seems like NK is all out trying to prevent these military exercises from going on as planned, because if they do they will lose face if they don't act as promised. They're not stupid enough to want a full scale war and this just seems like a desperate attempt to show that they're serious. I'm confident and hoping that the US and SK will simply call their bluff and go on with the operation. I really doubt North Korea would be willing to start a war over this. I doubt that China can just turn their head and say "I'm not getting involved" if NK does decide go to war (albeit an almost 0% possibility of that happening). Since they share a pretty long land border, China would likely need to respond in some positive manner toward its ally; China would be put at a pretty disasterous situation if it were to lose its favor of NK. In other words, China would be put in a very difficult position if war were to come out. It needs to find a solution to ensure that it maintains a favorable position with both the NK and SK/USA in some manner or another, if that's even possible. | ||
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ComusLoM
Norway3547 Posts
On November 26 2010 17:04 Lowkin wrote: I don't think China can stay uninvolved if this war breaks out. They wont have to join military fighting though but there will still be a huge impact upon them. They are on a direct border with Korea so if war does break out they are going to have a huge inflow of refugees and the possibility of nuclear fallout. Of course China will be forced to accept refugees, but the threat of nuclear fallout affecting china is miniscule. I was merely talking in terms of military support. | ||
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