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Imhotep
Sweden267 Posts
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FrostOtter
United States537 Posts
On November 25 2010 20:35 Jugglenaught wrote: Because he's not a complete fool like his predecessor or as aggressive as the man he defeated to become President. He has established so far a reasonable and logical approach to the problems he faces yet has demonstrated just as clearly that he does not shirk from the use of force, and it is that steel tempered by restraint that will be needed in the event of war with DPRK. . You still haven't addressed what I said. You replied that he is smarter than Bush and less aggressive than McCain, but that in no way changes the fact that he has caved on every single major issue during his administration. You can be too reasonable-- you are being too reasonable if you are so passive that nothing ever gets done. It sounds like you are just being an Obama fanboy with phrases like "steel tempered by restraint" combined with the rest of your post, because you are seeing what you want to see and not what is actually there. I'm not saying Obama isn't smart or isn't calm or whatever, what I am saying is that he is ineffective. | ||
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Duban
United States548 Posts
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_koreas_clash | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On November 26 2010 00:42 Duban wrote: You do realize that thousands, if not millions, of South Koreans would die in the ensuing artillery bombardment, right? We're good at bombing their stuff, but by the time we drop enough bombs to silence the last artillery peice it'll be too late. The fact that SK citizens will die is the only reason that I'm not convicned that we should go right in NK and get rid of their leadership. Seoul is in the unfortunate position of being fairly close to the border, so it would get shelled in an invasion. Unless there's a way to disable NK artillery, I think that the best option is to force NK to disarm. NK can't win a war and time is against them(attrition), so they should be pretty desperate for aid. They know very well that if they do something wrong they will be destroyed, so they really have no advantage of shelling SK except as a threat against invasion. | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
North Korea and South Korea exchanged artillery fire yesterday. All the while the United States dollar has strengthened as bad blood between North and South Korea means big business for the US. Investigative journalist Webster Tarpley says the financial district is taking part in a flight to safety moving money in the US treasury, using North Korea as a catalyst to make other nations depend on the US. YOUTUBE LINK (MUST SEE) User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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MLG_Wiggin
United States767 Posts
Brilliant! | ||
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Lazix
Australia378 Posts
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Duban
United States548 Posts
On November 26 2010 02:15 ImFromPortugal wrote: Tarpley: US using Korea to make money North Korea and South Korea exchanged artillery fire yesterday. All the while the United States dollar has strengthened as bad blood between North and South Korea means big business for the US. Investigative journalist Webster Tarpley says the financial district is taking part in a flight to safety moving money in the US treasury, using North Korea as a catalyst to make other nations depend on the US. YOUTUBE LINK (MUST SEE) The conspiracy theorists are so annoying. Yes, in the short term the dollar got a nice boost. In the long term the US could never afford it if war did break out, which does seem possible. The "who launched a missile" crap off the cost of the US is complete BS. If it were a missile being launched the trail would twist because of something called the "Coriolis effect". Basically we would be watching a strait launched missile from a rotating frame of reference which would make it appear in a manner very different from what we saw. It was obviously a vapor trail that made a convincing optical illusion. "twisted" missile vapor trails: http://www.spacearchive.info/delta-ii-iridium-ms-5-2.jpg http://tomsastroblog.com/images/shuttle091407B.jpg | ||
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LOLtex
United States148 Posts
On November 26 2010 02:15 ImFromPortugal wrote: Tarpley: US using Korea to make money North Korea and South Korea exchanged artillery fire yesterday. All the while the United States dollar has strengthened as bad blood between North and South Korea means big business for the US. Investigative journalist Webster Tarpley says the financial district is taking part in a flight to safety moving money in the US treasury, using North Korea as a catalyst to make other nations depend on the US. YOUTUBE LINK (MUST SEE) I hope most people don't believe this trash. The dollar strengthened because it's a tried and true currency, relatively stable compared to other countries, and has in the past been a sound investment. People are taking out their investments in other currencies and instead retreating back to the less risky dollar. That's it. There's no conspiracy theory, hell, the fed and leading economists can't predict the markets, what makes you think the incompetent executive branch of one nation can? | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On November 26 2010 02:27 Duban wrote: The conspiracy theorists are so annoying. Yes, in the short term the dollar got a nice boost. In the long term the US could never afford it if war did break out, which does seem possible. The "who launched a missile" crap off the cost of the US is complete BS. If it were a missile being launched the trail would twist because of something called the "Coriolis effect". Basically we would be watching a strait launched missile from a rotating frame of reference which would make it appear in a manner very different from what we saw. It was obviously a vapor trail that made a convincing optical illusion. "twisted" missile vapor trails: http://www.spacearchive.info/delta-ii-iridium-ms-5-2.jpg http://tomsastroblog.com/images/shuttle091407B.jpg Wouldnt be the first time the USA did something similar for power or money! so dont discard this just yet. | ||
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yema1
Iceland101 Posts
On November 26 2010 02:15 ImFromPortugal wrote: Tarpley: US using Korea to make money North Korea and South Korea exchanged artillery fire yesterday. All the while the United States dollar has strengthened as bad blood between North and South Korea means big business for the US. Investigative journalist Webster Tarpley says the financial district is taking part in a flight to safety moving money in the US treasury, using North Korea as a catalyst to make other nations depend on the US. YOUTUBE LINK (MUST SEE) ....and here come the crazy conspiracy theories. If an elephant gets cancer in Africa someone finds a way to blame it on the US. It's getting ridiculous, kind of reminds me when people say "Let's just scapegoat the Jews." www.stormfront.org You might find similar batshit crazy conspiracy theories there, just replace the US with Jews. | ||
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Duban
United States548 Posts
Wouldnt be the first time the USA did something similar for power or money! so dont discard this just yet. Oh yay, the dollar temporarily rises even though there's a high risk of a war we probably couldn't afford. I'm not saying it's stupid because they're doing it power or money. I'm saying it's stupid because it would assume the people capable of orchestrating something like this are completely incompetent and unable to look more than a couple days into the future. Not to mention I seriously doubt there would be any way the US could get such a hostile power to attack for their own gain. Keep in mind that the military exercises are done every year and weren't something spontaneously planned. The whole thing reeks of misinformed and stupid. | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On November 26 2010 02:31 yema1 wrote: ....and here come the crazy conspiracy theories. If an elephant gets cancer in Africa someone finds a way to blame it on the US. It's getting ridiculous, kind of reminds me when people say "Let's just scapegoat the Jews." www.stormfront.org You might find similar batshit crazy conspiracy theories there, just replace the US with Jews. As i said, it wouldnt be the first time..we know now 40 years later: Vietnam War Intelligence 'Deliberately Skewed,' Secret Study Says The most provocative document is a 2001 article in which an agency historian argued that the agency's intelligence officers "deliberately skewed" the evidence passed on to policy makers and the public to falsely suggest that North Vietnamese ships had attacked American destroyers on Aug. 4, 1964. N.Y Times | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
wtf has North Korea got to do with that. | ||
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SolidusR
United States217 Posts
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MLG_Wiggin
United States767 Posts
On November 26 2010 02:30 ImFromPortugal wrote: Wouldnt be the first time the USA did something similar for power or money! so dont discard this just yet. Just trust us on this one. Or, you know, examine all the motives surrounding a possible war with Korea. You'll probably very easily figure out that the US really doesn't want another war on their hands right now. Or you can keep blaming the United States. I heard that a ______ happened in ______. There was some suspicious US activity in the area, and if ________ then the US will make a ton of money. Then there was that one time ________ ______ed _______. After some serious _______ing, the US ended up still being prosperous. So, you know, that's pretty fucked up. There are people _________ing in _____ and American's are still fat. | ||
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Elegy
United States1629 Posts
On November 26 2010 02:15 ImFromPortugal wrote: Tarpley: US using Korea to make money North Korea and South Korea exchanged artillery fire yesterday. All the while the United States dollar has strengthened as bad blood between North and South Korea means big business for the US. Investigative journalist Webster Tarpley says the financial district is taking part in a flight to safety moving money in the US treasury, using North Korea as a catalyst to make other nations depend on the US. YOUTUBE LINK (MUST SEE) Not only is that a terrible theory, it doesn't even make sense. Anti-Americanism needs to take a more interesting approach in European nations, these are just pathetic lol. | ||
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Duban
United States548 Posts
On November 26 2010 02:43 bonifaceviii wrote: The Euro is going to shit, that's why the dollar is increasing in value. wtf has North Korea got to do with that. There are concerns about a sudden jump in military spending in NATO. Who supplies most of NATO's military supplies? US. It doesn't really matter if the situation in the US changes. The mear speculation that it could has the power to change people's trust in the currency and economy. There was a trustworthy site that mentioned the jump in the dollar linked to the incident somewhere in the thread. The problem with the conspiracy theory idea is that the jump is just temporary, it ignores the fact that there's a very real possibility of a war that would only serve to ruin the economy even more, and there would be no way of making N Korea act like this suddenly when we've been doing these military drills every year for some time. | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On November 26 2010 02:47 Elegy wrote: Not only is that a terrible theory, it doesn't even make sense. Anti-Americanism needs to take a more interesting approach in European nations, these are just pathetic lol. Ive been updating this thread with all the news i encounter, i thought it was a interesting analysis so i posted | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
"Super-Silent Jimmy Carter Ready to Spy on North Korea" It’s not the diplomacy-minded former president who is ready to spy, it’s the secretive nuclear submarine named for him. The surveillance and attack capabilities it’s supposed to have could keep the tense situation on the Korean peninsula from spiraling out of control. In the wake of yesterday’s North Korean artillery barrage against a South Korean island, the U.S.S. George Washington is sailing to South Korea to participate in joint exercises. Source | ||
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