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NobleDog
Profile Joined May 2010
United States65 Posts
November 25 2010 07:47 GMT
#2061
On November 25 2010 16:29 FrostOtter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2010 15:21 Jugglenaught wrote:
. Quite frankly, I think Obama is just the man to deal with such things.

What are you basing that on? Obama has caved on every single major issue that he claimed to stand for, from Israeli-Palestinian negotiations to health care reform to Gitmo. Why would you think he would be the man to deal with any of this?


When the empty suit says Hope and Change, people of substance listen....
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Xinliben
Profile Joined May 2009
United States931 Posts
November 25 2010 07:50 GMT
#2062
I can't read 104 pages....but can someone sum up why they are blaming the US? I mean, we are used to it, but why?

US needs to go back to being isolationists and stop being world police.
"life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery"
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-25 07:55:20
November 25 2010 07:54 GMT
#2063
On November 25 2010 16:50 Xinliben wrote:
I can't read 104 pages....but can someone sum up why they are blaming the US? I mean, we are used to it, but why?

US needs to go back to being isolationists and stop being world police.


They are backing NK's enemy, doing military drills with them near their border. Read the history about Korean war and you might get an idea why NK hates America. And i guess there is alot more to it.


From twitter yet again:

#ROK lawmakers present evidence of casings from Yeonpyeong that #DPRK also shot rapid-fire 122mm rockets with 7x as much powder as artillery

So if thats true, they sure didn't just want to SK see what they can do, but really trying to make casualties.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
ZerglingSoup
Profile Joined June 2009
United States346 Posts
November 25 2010 07:55 GMT
#2064
On November 25 2010 16:50 Xinliben wrote:
I can't read 104 pages....but can someone sum up why they are blaming the US? I mean, we are used to it, but why?

US needs to go back to being isolationists and stop being world police.


The "American Imperialists" are the mortal enemy of North Korea and the epitome of evil in the eyes of their populace. If they throw any blame in America's direction, it's mostly just customary. Also, they need to give the new kid experience in standing up to the state's enemies.
Stream plz
kazansky
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany931 Posts
November 25 2010 09:45 GMT
#2065
I guess the final indicator will be the carrier exercise on sunday.
If North Korea wants this to go wild, they must do it until then, because after that they look weak for allowing the enemy to do such an exercise to themselves.
"Mathematicians don't understand mathematics, they get used to it." - Prof. Kredler || "That was more one-sided that a mobius strip." - Tasteless
Ordained
Profile Joined June 2010
United States779 Posts
November 25 2010 09:59 GMT
#2066
On November 25 2010 18:45 kazansky wrote:
I guess the final indicator will be the carrier exercise on sunday.
If North Korea wants this to go wild, they must do it until then, because after that they look weak for allowing the enemy to do such an exercise to themselves.


I am nervous about that, I have alot of friends in the Navy. (United States)
"You are not trying to win, you are trying to be awesome" -Day[9]
ZerglingSoup
Profile Joined June 2009
United States346 Posts
November 25 2010 10:07 GMT
#2067
For what its worth, intrade only gives it a 3% chance.

I think it's pretty much expected that NK, having made their point, is going to have a seat for a little while.
Stream plz
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-25 10:42:43
November 25 2010 10:37 GMT
#2068
On November 25 2010 18:45 kazansky wrote:
I guess the final indicator will be the carrier exercise on sunday.
If North Korea wants this to go wild, they must do it until then, because after that they look weak for allowing the enemy to do such an exercise to themselves.


im worrying abit about that. sides traded " DONT FUCK WITH US !" statements and with NKs crazy paranoid mindset they might consider the exercise a provocation...
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kazansky
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany931 Posts
November 25 2010 10:44 GMT
#2069
"Provocation" is a slight understatement.
For an Asian, this is an insult. And as they are Asians, in regard of not losing their faces (to themselves), it is the final point where they must show reactions.
If they don't, they literally give up and dishonour themselves, as far as I understand the mindset of Far East Asian culture, someone from that region confirm or deny?
"Mathematicians don't understand mathematics, they get used to it." - Prof. Kredler || "That was more one-sided that a mobius strip." - Tasteless
Meiya
Profile Joined August 2007
Australia1169 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-25 11:38:10
November 25 2010 11:35 GMT
#2070
On November 25 2010 16:29 FrostOtter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2010 15:21 Jugglenaught wrote:
. Quite frankly, I think Obama is just the man to deal with such things.

What are you basing that on? Obama has caved on every single major issue that he claimed to stand for, from Israeli-Palestinian negotiations to health care reform to Gitmo. Why would you think he would be the man to deal with any of this?


Because he's not a complete fool like his predecessor or as aggressive as the man he defeated to become President. He has established so far a reasonable and logical approach to the problems he faces yet has demonstrated just as clearly that he does not shirk from the use of force, and it is that steel tempered by restraint that will be needed in the event of war with DPRK.

On November 25 2010 16:47 NobleDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2010 16:29 FrostOtter wrote:
On November 25 2010 15:21 Jugglenaught wrote:
. Quite frankly, I think Obama is just the man to deal with such things.

What are you basing that on? Obama has caved on every single major issue that he claimed to stand for, from Israeli-Palestinian negotiations to health care reform to Gitmo. Why would you think he would be the man to deal with any of this?


When the empty suit says Hope and Change, people of substance listen....


That's nice dear.
Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-25 12:11:43
November 25 2010 12:11 GMT
#2071
Here seems to be statement by North Korean foreigner minister.

+ Show Spoiler +
Pyongyang, November 24 (KCNA) -- A spokesman for the DPRK Foreign Ministry Wednesday issued the following statement:
As already reported by the Supreme Command of the KPA, the revolutionary armed forces of the DPRK on Nov. 23 took a decisive self-defensive measure to cope with the enemy's reckless military provocation of firing shells inside the territorial waters of the DPRK side around Yonphyong Islet in the West Sea of Korea.
The army of the DPRK warned several times that if even a single shell of the enemy is fired inside the territorial waters of the DPRK, it will take a prompt retaliatory strike in connection with the live shell firing drill they planned to stage from Yonphyong Islet while conducting the ill-famed war maneuvers for a war of aggression against the DPRK codenamed Hoguk.
At 8:00 a.m. on Nov. 23, the very day the incident occurred, the head of the delegation of the DPRK side to the inter-Korean military talks sent a telephone message to the head of the delegation of the enemy side once again strongly urging it to cancel the plan for staging the above-said firing drill in the waters around the islet, the sensitive waters.
This notwithstanding, the enemy committed such an extremely reckless military provocation as firing dozens of shells from the islet inside the territorial waters of the DPRK side from around 13:00.
The enemy fired shells from the islet which is so close to the territory of the DPRK that it is within each other's eyeshot despite the fact that there are so many mountains and rivers, sea waters and islets in south Korea. This powder-reeking saber-rattling cannot be construed otherwise than a politically motivated provocation.
The enemy is claiming that they fired shells southward from the islet in a bid not to get on the nerves of the DPRK but Yonphyong Islet is located deep inside the territorial waters of the DPRK away from the maritime military demarcation line. If live shells are fired from the islet, they are bound to drop inside the territorial waters of the DPRK side no matter in which direction they are fired because of such geographical features.
The ulterior aim sought by the enemy is to create the impression that the DPRK side recognized the waters off the islet as their "territorial waters", in case that there was no physical counter-action on the part of the former.
Herein lies the crafty and vicious nature of the enemy's provocation.
The army of the DPRK took such a self-defensive measure as making a prompt powerful strike at the artillery positions from which the enemy fired the shells as it does not make an empty talk.
This incident is one more dangerous development which took place because of the illegal "northern limit line" unilaterally fixed by Clark, UN forces commander, as he pleased on Aug. 30, 1953 after the conclusion of the Korean Armistice Agreement.
The U.S., its followers and some bosses of international bodies should drop such bad habit as thoughtlessly accusing somebody before learning about the truth about the incident.
If they shield south Korea, the criminal, without principle, just for being their ally, this is little short of feeding oil to the fire.

The DPRK that sets store by the peace and stability of the Korean Peninsula is now exercising superhuman self-control but the artillery pieces of the army of the DPRK, the defender of justice, remain ready to fire.



http://juche007-anglo-peopleskoreafriendship.blogspot.com/2010/11/statement-released-by-spokesman-of-dprk.html
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Capresis
Profile Joined September 2008
United States518 Posts
November 25 2010 12:28 GMT
#2072
Well... At least we know for a fact now that South Korea did fire south and wasn't trying to provoke North Korea. I really can't see how any country can back North Korea now.
xlep
Profile Joined December 2009
Germany274 Posts
November 25 2010 13:26 GMT
#2073
Being german I can help to feel thankful that our nation managed to reconcile hardly 20 years ago. Imagining things could have gone as terribly wrong as in Korea gives me goose-bumps sometimes...

I don't think people should choose sides too quickly. Both sides stepped over "the line" long ago. Even though in this case North Korea definitely overreacted by attacking "inhabited" areas, I gotta break a lance the DPRK's stance: There are other places for maneuvers than right at the border
skill is scissors beating rock
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
November 25 2010 14:03 GMT
#2074
Marines say counterattack may have inflicted 'severe damage' to N. Korea

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2010/11/25/0200000000AEN20101125012000315.HTML
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
grAyf0x
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal17 Posts
November 25 2010 14:07 GMT
#2075
Marines just too strong..
A rebel from the waist down.
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
November 25 2010 14:08 GMT
#2076
On November 25 2010 23:03 Grettin wrote:
Marines say counterattack may have inflicted 'severe damage' to N. Korea

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2010/11/25/0200000000AEN20101125012000315.HTML

Speaking of saving face...
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Duban
Profile Joined July 2009
United States548 Posts
November 25 2010 15:00 GMT
#2077
On November 25 2010 21:11 Grettin wrote:
Here seems to be statement by North Korean foreigner minister.

+ Show Spoiler +
Pyongyang, November 24 (KCNA) -- A spokesman for the DPRK Foreign Ministry Wednesday issued the following statement:
As already reported by the Supreme Command of the KPA, the revolutionary armed forces of the DPRK on Nov. 23 took a decisive self-defensive measure to cope with the enemy's reckless military provocation of firing shells inside the territorial waters of the DPRK side around Yonphyong Islet in the West Sea of Korea.
The army of the DPRK warned several times that if even a single shell of the enemy is fired inside the territorial waters of the DPRK, it will take a prompt retaliatory strike in connection with the live shell firing drill they planned to stage from Yonphyong Islet while conducting the ill-famed war maneuvers for a war of aggression against the DPRK codenamed Hoguk.
At 8:00 a.m. on Nov. 23, the very day the incident occurred, the head of the delegation of the DPRK side to the inter-Korean military talks sent a telephone message to the head of the delegation of the enemy side once again strongly urging it to cancel the plan for staging the above-said firing drill in the waters around the islet, the sensitive waters.
This notwithstanding, the enemy committed such an extremely reckless military provocation as firing dozens of shells from the islet inside the territorial waters of the DPRK side from around 13:00.
The enemy fired shells from the islet which is so close to the territory of the DPRK that it is within each other's eyeshot despite the fact that there are so many mountains and rivers, sea waters and islets in south Korea. This powder-reeking saber-rattling cannot be construed otherwise than a politically motivated provocation.
The enemy is claiming that they fired shells southward from the islet in a bid not to get on the nerves of the DPRK but Yonphyong Islet is located deep inside the territorial waters of the DPRK away from the maritime military demarcation line. If live shells are fired from the islet, they are bound to drop inside the territorial waters of the DPRK side no matter in which direction they are fired because of such geographical features.
The ulterior aim sought by the enemy is to create the impression that the DPRK side recognized the waters off the islet as their "territorial waters", in case that there was no physical counter-action on the part of the former.
Herein lies the crafty and vicious nature of the enemy's provocation.
The army of the DPRK took such a self-defensive measure as making a prompt powerful strike at the artillery positions from which the enemy fired the shells as it does not make an empty talk.
This incident is one more dangerous development which took place because of the illegal "northern limit line" unilaterally fixed by Clark, UN forces commander, as he pleased on Aug. 30, 1953 after the conclusion of the Korean Armistice Agreement.
The U.S., its followers and some bosses of international bodies should drop such bad habit as thoughtlessly accusing somebody before learning about the truth about the incident.
If they shield south Korea, the criminal, without principle, just for being their ally, this is little short of feeding oil to the fire.

The DPRK that sets store by the peace and stability of the Korean Peninsula is now exercising superhuman self-control but the artillery pieces of the army of the DPRK, the defender of justice, remain ready to fire.



http://juche007-anglo-peopleskoreafriendship.blogspot.com/2010/11/statement-released-by-spokesman-of-dprk.html

So a country that's well known for imprisoning and torturing their own people for expressing disagreement with their policy is "the defender of justice". Well that's just ironic.
An ignorant person makes a mistake. A stupid person makes it again.
Achilles
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada385 Posts
November 25 2010 15:38 GMT
#2078
Any word on whether or not we're going into NK to fuck their shit up? Kinda hoping it happens...
[rS]Gluske // http://www.rsgaming.com // Troku[tC]
Duban
Profile Joined July 2009
United States548 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-25 15:43:29
November 25 2010 15:42 GMT
#2079
On November 26 2010 00:38 Achilles wrote:
Any word on whether or not we're going into NK to fuck their shit up? Kinda hoping it happens...

You do realize that thousands, if not millions, of South Koreans would die in the ensuing artillery bombardment, right? We're good at bombing their stuff, but by the time we drop enough bombs to silence the last artillery peice it'll be too late.
An ignorant person makes a mistake. A stupid person makes it again.
Achilles
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada385 Posts
November 25 2010 15:46 GMT
#2080
On November 26 2010 00:42 Duban wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2010 00:38 Achilles wrote:
Any word on whether or not we're going into NK to fuck their shit up? Kinda hoping it happens...

You do realize that thousands, if not millions, of South Koreans would die in the ensuing artillery bombardment, right? We're good at bombing their stuff, but by the time we drop enough bombs to silence the last artillery peice it'll be too late.


I'm a terrible human being I guess.
[rS]Gluske // http://www.rsgaming.com // Troku[tC]
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