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On November 25 2010 11:58 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 10:38 Ganondorf wrote:
Right now things have settled down to a war of words and propaganda. I'm kinda surprised, the South really shows weakness by not reacting properly, but it's all for the sake of peace, patiently waiting for the new, more western-friendly leader to fully take power. How can we react properly? We returned fire. We scrambled jets. We issued an order to hit their turrets hard if any form of further aggression was shown. Are you advocating a full-scale invasion of a border country with superior military manpower and nuclear/chemical weapons with half of our population within firing range of the same guns that hit the island? Sometimes "showing weakness" is necessary to "prevent a catastrophe" when you're dealing with a "complete psychopath" like KJI.
The south is intelligent..aside from the right wings ofc that advocate total destruction of the north, no q asked. So..leaving "honour" to the fundamentals is the best when dealing with a viritual bag of volatile military ingeneered crystal meth.
I really feel sorry for the NKR people. It must be hell to be held away from your families, and see the enormous growth on the other side of that ridiculous border. Propaganda flyers just don't fly anymore.
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On November 23 2010 16:30 imweakless wrote:
SK and US should make a move about this..
how can they make such stupid move? for once SK make it happen what they want,,
We're the last country that needs to be involved in another war. We would cripple and succumb to a country that isn't completely in shambles.
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Seriously, north korea is dumb. do they really think that if they start doing shit other countrys wont interject? they wouldnt win a war against south korea in the first place.
pretty sure everyone knows what will happen if they tried anything stupid.
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On November 25 2010 12:37 Jemmani wrote:
Seriously, north korea is dumb. do they really think that if they start doing shit other countrys wont interject? they wouldnt win a war against south korea in the first place.
pretty sure everyone knows what will happen if they tried anything stupid.
It's posturing. This isn't "all of NK," either; it's one man. I very much doubt he would have any qualms at abandoning his people to save his own ass. The war would decimate both countries and in very short order. It's not smart to go to war with SK, but considering how KJI has never seemed to be particularly stable, there's no reason for anything he does to be truly logical.
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UPDATES:
N. Korea rejects talks with U.N. Command on artillery attack
SEOUL, Nov. 25 (Yonhap) -- North Korea has rejected a proposal by the U.S.-led U.N. Command (UNC) to hold general-level military talks on the North's deadly artillery attack on an inhabited South Korean island, officials said Thursday.
Source
N. Korea threatens new wave of attacks, blames U.S. for clash
SEOUL, Nov. 25 (Yonhap) -- North Korea threatened a new wave of attacks on South Korea on Thursday, passing the blame to the United States for an artillery clash that killed four South Koreans earlier this week.
The latest threat comes after South Korea and the United States agreed earlier this week to mobilize an aircraft carrier for a joint naval drill that starts Sunday in the Yellow Sea.
Source
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On November 25 2010 11:58 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 10:38 Ganondorf wrote:
Right now things have settled down to a war of words and propaganda. I'm kinda surprised, the South really shows weakness by not reacting properly, but it's all for the sake of peace, patiently waiting for the new, more western-friendly leader to fully take power. How can we react properly? We returned fire. We scrambled jets. We issued an order to hit their turrets hard if any form of further aggression was shown. Are you advocating a full-scale invasion of a border country with superior military manpower and nuclear/chemical weapons with half of our population within firing range of the same guns that hit the island? Sometimes "showing weakness" is necessary to "prevent a catastrophe" when you're dealing with a "complete psychopath" like KJI.
Very simply, scramble jets and destroy those artillery pieces, then return home and only then start the propaganda war, warn the north that you can bomb them freely with your superior air force in retailation of every attack they do.
If the North wants a full-scale war, they will launch a surprise attack as they have planned several years ago. Since they didn't, maybe they don't really want to invade the South right now, so proper retailation is necessary to not show weakness, which will lead to more northern aggression and demands in any future diplomatic talks. It's more a diplomatic problem than a proper military one.
Edit : just saw the post right above this one, the north threatens to do more attacks, yeah right, showing weakness only exposes the south to more attacks as i was trying to say
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On November 25 2010 12:37 Jemmani wrote:
Seriously, north korea is dumb. do they really think that if they start doing shit other countrys wont interject? they wouldnt win a war against south korea in the first place.
pretty sure everyone knows what will happen if they tried anything stupid.
They want a conflict. They need it to force the US back to the six party talks, and to get a new influx of resources. Unpredictability, and nukes is NKR's only weapon in order to balance status quo politically vs. resources. The regime don't really care about surviving anymore. Kim Young Il wants to go out with a bang, and be remembered. This is a typical trait of an antisocial personality.
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On November 25 2010 12:55 Ganondorf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 11:58 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On November 25 2010 10:38 Ganondorf wrote:
Right now things have settled down to a war of words and propaganda. I'm kinda surprised, the South really shows weakness by not reacting properly, but it's all for the sake of peace, patiently waiting for the new, more western-friendly leader to fully take power. How can we react properly? We returned fire. We scrambled jets. We issued an order to hit their turrets hard if any form of further aggression was shown. Are you advocating a full-scale invasion of a border country with superior military manpower and nuclear/chemical weapons with half of our population within firing range of the same guns that hit the island? Sometimes "showing weakness" is necessary to "prevent a catastrophe" when you're dealing with a "complete psychopath" like KJI. Very simply, scramble jets and destroy those artillery pieces, then return home and only then start the propaganda war, warn the north that you can bomb them freely with your superior air force in retailation of every attack they do. If the North wants a full-scale war, they will launch a surprise attack as they have planned several years ago. Since they didn't, maybe they don't really want to invade the South right now, so proper retailation is necessary to not show weakness, which will lead to more northern aggression and demands in any future diplomatic talks. It's more a diplomatic problem than a proper military one.
and Seoul would seize to be a city.
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50 shells landed on the Island. S.K fired 70 back. I don't think thats a weak response, and beyond that what can they do?
N.K has a pretty massive army. War would be unthinkably bloody and costly. Even if S.K was to "win" I'm not sure unification would be at all easy, and god knows how China would respond.
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On November 25 2010 12:57 ImFromPortugal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 12:55 Ganondorf wrote:On November 25 2010 11:58 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On November 25 2010 10:38 Ganondorf wrote:
Right now things have settled down to a war of words and propaganda. I'm kinda surprised, the South really shows weakness by not reacting properly, but it's all for the sake of peace, patiently waiting for the new, more western-friendly leader to fully take power. How can we react properly? We returned fire. We scrambled jets. We issued an order to hit their turrets hard if any form of further aggression was shown. Are you advocating a full-scale invasion of a border country with superior military manpower and nuclear/chemical weapons with half of our population within firing range of the same guns that hit the island? Sometimes "showing weakness" is necessary to "prevent a catastrophe" when you're dealing with a "complete psychopath" like KJI. Very simply, scramble jets and destroy those artillery pieces, then return home and only then start the propaganda war, warn the north that you can bomb them freely with your superior air force in retailation of every attack they do. If the North wants a full-scale war, they will launch a surprise attack as they have planned several years ago. Since they didn't, maybe they don't really want to invade the South right now, so proper retailation is necessary to not show weakness, which will lead to more northern aggression and demands in any future diplomatic talks. It's more a diplomatic problem than a proper military one. and Seoul would seize to be a city.
Like i said, if/when the North wants to attack, it will be a surprise attack, the destruction of Seoul is part of plan B according to this source
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/rok/nis-docs/hwang1.htm
So it makes no sense to believe a skirmish will escalate into a full war, it will only do so if the North has decided to go ahead with the invasion anyway. In that case, trying to avoid war makes no sense, since it has already started. On the other hand, if they haven't decided to invade, which is what we currently can assume, there will be no such escalation and it's just a way to bolster diplomatic talks, maybe with the goal of resuming talks to get some food for this winter without having to concede anything.
edit: KissKiss, the south fired shells in the water, not against the norhtern artillery. The north instead fired directly at military and civilian targets on the islands and against the ships.
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On November 25 2010 13:02 Ganondorf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 12:57 ImFromPortugal wrote:On November 25 2010 12:55 Ganondorf wrote:On November 25 2010 11:58 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On November 25 2010 10:38 Ganondorf wrote:
Right now things have settled down to a war of words and propaganda. I'm kinda surprised, the South really shows weakness by not reacting properly, but it's all for the sake of peace, patiently waiting for the new, more western-friendly leader to fully take power. How can we react properly? We returned fire. We scrambled jets. We issued an order to hit their turrets hard if any form of further aggression was shown. Are you advocating a full-scale invasion of a border country with superior military manpower and nuclear/chemical weapons with half of our population within firing range of the same guns that hit the island? Sometimes "showing weakness" is necessary to "prevent a catastrophe" when you're dealing with a "complete psychopath" like KJI. Very simply, scramble jets and destroy those artillery pieces, then return home and only then start the propaganda war, warn the north that you can bomb them freely with your superior air force in retailation of every attack they do. If the North wants a full-scale war, they will launch a surprise attack as they have planned several years ago. Since they didn't, maybe they don't really want to invade the South right now, so proper retailation is necessary to not show weakness, which will lead to more northern aggression and demands in any future diplomatic talks. It's more a diplomatic problem than a proper military one. and Seoul would seize to be a city. Like i said, if/when the North wants to attack, it will be a surprise attack, the destruction of Seoul is part of plan B according to this source http://www.fas.org/irp/world/rok/nis-docs/hwang1.htmSo it makes no sense to believe a skirmish will escalate into a full war, it will only do so if the North has decided to go ahead with the invasion anyway. In that case, trying to avoid war makes no sense, since it has already started. On the other hand, if they haven't decided to invade, which is what we currently can assume, there will be no such escalation and it's just a way to bolster diplomatic talks, maybe with the goal of resuming talks to get some food for this winter without having to concede anything.
North Korea isnt trying to invade the South, they responded against the drills South Korea was doing , and they warned they wouldnt admit such activities.
"The skirmish began after North Korea warned the South to stop carrying out military drills near their sea border, South Korean officials said.
When Seoul refused and fired artillery into disputed waters - away from the North Korean shore - the North retaliated by shelling Yeonpyeong."
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On November 25 2010 13:02 Ganondorf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 12:57 ImFromPortugal wrote:On November 25 2010 12:55 Ganondorf wrote:On November 25 2010 11:58 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On November 25 2010 10:38 Ganondorf wrote:
Right now things have settled down to a war of words and propaganda. I'm kinda surprised, the South really shows weakness by not reacting properly, but it's all for the sake of peace, patiently waiting for the new, more western-friendly leader to fully take power. How can we react properly? We returned fire. We scrambled jets. We issued an order to hit their turrets hard if any form of further aggression was shown. Are you advocating a full-scale invasion of a border country with superior military manpower and nuclear/chemical weapons with half of our population within firing range of the same guns that hit the island? Sometimes "showing weakness" is necessary to "prevent a catastrophe" when you're dealing with a "complete psychopath" like KJI. Very simply, scramble jets and destroy those artillery pieces, then return home and only then start the propaganda war, warn the north that you can bomb them freely with your superior air force in retailation of every attack they do. If the North wants a full-scale war, they will launch a surprise attack as they have planned several years ago. Since they didn't, maybe they don't really want to invade the South right now, so proper retailation is necessary to not show weakness, which will lead to more northern aggression and demands in any future diplomatic talks. It's more a diplomatic problem than a proper military one. and Seoul would seize to be a city. Like i said, if/when the North wants to attack, it will be a surprise attack, the destruction of Seoul is part of plan B according to this source http://www.fas.org/irp/world/rok/nis-docs/hwang1.htmSo it makes no sense to believe a skirmish will escalate into a full war, it will only do so if the North has decided to go ahead with the invasion anyway. In that case, trying to avoid war makes no sense, since it has already started. On the other hand, if they haven't decided to invade, which is what we currently can assume, there will be no such escalation and it's just a way to bolster diplomatic talks, maybe with the goal of resuming talks to get some food for this winter without having to concede anything. edit: KissKiss, the south fired shells in the water, not against the norhtern artillery. The north instead fired directly at military and civilian targets on the islands and against the ships.
What you do when a madman says he is going to shoot you if you come closer? you try to give him a hug?
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On November 25 2010 12:53 ImFromPortugal wrote:UPDATES:
N. Korea rejects talks with U.N. Command on artillery attack
SEOUL, Nov. 25 (Yonhap) -- North Korea has rejected a proposal by the U.S.-led U.N. Command (UNC) to hold general-level military talks on the North's deadly artillery attack on an inhabited South Korean island, officials said Thursday.
Source
N. Korea threatens new wave of attacks, blames U.S. for clash
SEOUL, Nov. 25 (Yonhap) -- North Korea threatened a new wave of attacks on South Korea on Thursday, passing the blame to the United States for an artillery clash that killed four South Koreans earlier this week.
The latest threat comes after South Korea and the United States agreed earlier this week to mobilize an aircraft carrier for a joint naval drill that starts Sunday in the Yellow Sea.
Source
Is shit gonna go down now? I have a feeling if NK does something within the next month again, all Hell will break loose. NK attacks SK often, but I don't recall it happening this many times in a single year. And with the leadership changing from Kim Jong Il, I don't doubt something crazy as Hell will go down.
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UPDATE:
South Korea braces for next move
ELEANOR HALL: Now to the Korean Peninsula, and South Korea has now ordered the evacuation of the islands near the border with the North.
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On November 25 2010 12:55 Ganondorf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2010 11:58 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On November 25 2010 10:38 Ganondorf wrote:
Right now things have settled down to a war of words and propaganda. I'm kinda surprised, the South really shows weakness by not reacting properly, but it's all for the sake of peace, patiently waiting for the new, more western-friendly leader to fully take power. How can we react properly? We returned fire. We scrambled jets. We issued an order to hit their turrets hard if any form of further aggression was shown. Are you advocating a full-scale invasion of a border country with superior military manpower and nuclear/chemical weapons with half of our population within firing range of the same guns that hit the island? Sometimes "showing weakness" is necessary to "prevent a catastrophe" when you're dealing with a "complete psychopath" like KJI. Very simply, scramble jets and destroy those artillery pieces, then return home and only then start the propaganda war, warn the north that you can bomb them freely with your superior air force in retailation of every attack they do. If the North wants a full-scale war, they will launch a surprise attack as they have planned several years ago. Since they didn't, maybe they don't really want to invade the South right now, so proper retailation is necessary to not show weakness, which will lead to more northern aggression and demands in any future diplomatic talks. It's more a diplomatic problem than a proper military one. Edit : just saw the post right above this one, the north threatens to do more attacks, yeah right, showing weakness only exposes the south to more attacks as i was trying to say
You're saying this because you don't live here. The issue isn't that the guns can hit our capital, it's that ONE BOMB will kill about 5 million people.
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On November 25 2010 13:13 ImFromPortugal wrote:UPDATE:
South Korea braces for next move
ELEANOR HALL: Now to the Korean Peninsula, and South Korea has now ordered the evacuation of the islands near the border with the North.Source
That's probably a peaceful move...in other words, get the people the Hell out of there so NK doesn't get anymore ideas...
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The BBC reports that S.K retaliated and did "significant damage" to N.K artillery.
I think either N.K thinks the line was crossed with the excersise, or its just the posturing of a leader to be, or a little of both. To risk the exchange of more fire between the two or worse seems stupid to me.
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UPDATE (TWITTER):
"Japanese Prime Min. Kan describes Korean peninsula as "on the brink" of war, adds Pyongyang needs to be severely reprimanded"
"Yonhap: China Foreign Min. Yang cancels planned visit tomorrow to Seoul."
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You're saying this because you don't live here. The issue isn't that the guns can hit our capital, it's that ONE BOMB will kill about 5 million people.
One bomb isn't going to kill 5 million people. If you're talking about the nuclear arsenal you're poorly informed. N Korea's bombs are very small in yield, at most the size of the Hiroshima/Nagasaki bombs, probably less. It wouldn't be pretty but we aren't talking about a modern multi-megaton thermonuclear device.
Also, more importantly N Korea has no platform with which to deploy their nuclear weapons. Their nuclear bombs are huge while their missile and bomber cargo sizes are small. The best they could do would be drive a truck in and hope nobody asks questions about the large radioactive device crossing the border. Not likely.
N Korea has nukes only in the technical sense. It'll be another decade or more before they can realistically use them.
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On November 25 2010 13:19 ImFromPortugal wrote:
UPDATE (TWITTER):
"Japanese Prime Min. Kan describes Korean peninsula as "on the brink" of war, adds Pyongyang needs to be severely reprimanded"
"Yonhap: China Foreign Min. Yang cancels planned visit tomorrow to Seoul."
Link?
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