EPTFor what its worth, instructing people how to commit a crime isn't nor should it be illegal, see The Anarchist's Cookbook. And you know what, I am very glad books about how to commit crimes aren't illegal. Not that I endorse the pedophilia book in question but realize where this logic leads. Part of the reason why certain rights are protected is to reign government in from getting too crazy. In the instances above, building bombs and pedophilia, its quite clear to any reasonable person that they are illegal for very good reasons. But what if the government decided to outlaw something reasonable like civil demonstrations? Would you then be in favor of allowing government to censor Martin Luther King's writings? I don't think so. The point is if we want to make sure our rights are protected, we have to live with some awful things being said.
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Keren
United States67 Posts
For what its worth, instructing people how to commit a crime isn't nor should it be illegal, see The Anarchist's Cookbook. And you know what, I am very glad books about how to commit crimes aren't illegal. Not that I endorse the pedophilia book in question but realize where this logic leads. Part of the reason why certain rights are protected is to reign government in from getting too crazy. In the instances above, building bombs and pedophilia, its quite clear to any reasonable person that they are illegal for very good reasons. But what if the government decided to outlaw something reasonable like civil demonstrations? Would you then be in favor of allowing government to censor Martin Luther King's writings? I don't think so. The point is if we want to make sure our rights are protected, we have to live with some awful things being said. | ||
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Wo0Do0
United States5 Posts
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Wo0Do0
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Wo0Do0
United States5 Posts
On November 20 2010 13:49 Keren wrote: The funny part of this discussion to me is how willing people are to call for a ban on a perfectly legal book. That's honestly scarier to me than the fact that some nutjob wrote a book about pedophilia. In case you all were confused, this book isn't banned, won't be banned, and shouldn't be banned. However, it has been pulled from sale on Amazon as Amazon is well within their rights to do. For what its worth, instructing people how to commit a crime isn't nor should it be illegal, see The Anarchist's Cookbook. And you know what, I am very glad books about how to commit crimes aren't illegal. Not that I endorse the pedophilia book in question but realize where this logic leads. Part of the reason why certain rights are protected is to reign government in from getting too crazy. In the instances above, building bombs and pedophilia, its quite clear to any reasonable person that they are illegal for very good reasons. But what if the government decided to outlaw something reasonable like civil demonstrations? Would you then be in favor of allowing government to censor Martin Luther King's writings? I don't think so. The point is if we want to make sure our rights are protected, we have to live with some awful things being said. while you are convincing in argument logic, you fail horribly in comparison. The scenario in which you provide does not in any way correlate to the issue of this thread. | ||
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Carefoot
Canada410 Posts
On November 20 2010 13:58 Wo0Do0 wrote: while you are convincing in argument logic, you fail horribly in comparison. The scenario in which you provide does not in any way correlate to the issue of this thread. It correlates with the exact issue at hand. Protecting free speach involves protecting everyones speach even if you disagree with what is being said and even if it undermines free speach itself, it has a right to exist. Period. | ||
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BrTarolg
United Kingdom3574 Posts
I'm glad they didn't ban this book. Books should not be banned. People should be well within their rights to sell a book, make a book, containing material that is obscene all over the world At the same time, book sellers are well within their right to simply not sell this book At no point should a government step in and decide "what is good for you" a la dangerous cartoons act or some bs like that | ||
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mayhem123
United States101 Posts
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SweetNJoshSauce
United States468 Posts
On December 21 2010 06:50 adioN wrote: http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/business/20101220_ap_authorofpedophiliaguidetofacechargesinfla.html I remember this disgusting thread, this is fantastic news | ||
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Wargizmo
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On November 20 2010 13:49 Keren wrote: The funny part of this discussion to me is how willing people are to call for a ban on a perfectly legal book. That's honestly scarier to me than the fact that some nutjob wrote a book about pedophilia. In case you all were confused, this book isn't banned, won't be banned, and shouldn't be banned. However, it has been pulled from sale on Amazon as Amazon is well within their rights to do. For what its worth, instructing people how to commit a crime isn't nor should it be illegal, see The Anarchist's Cookbook. And you know what, I am very glad books about how to commit crimes aren't illegal. Not that I endorse the pedophilia book in question but realize where this logic leads. Part of the reason why certain rights are protected is to reign government in from getting too crazy. In the instances above, building bombs and pedophilia, its quite clear to any reasonable person that they are illegal for very good reasons. But what if the government decided to outlaw something reasonable like civil demonstrations? Would you then be in favor of allowing government to censor Martin Luther King's writings? I don't think so. The point is if we want to make sure our rights are protected, we have to live with some awful things being said. That's why we have democracy. Government is there to do good things (ban bad things) and if they ban good things then you will vote someone else next time. | ||
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Impervious
Canada4222 Posts
On November 11 2010 07:48 Manifesto7 wrote: Since they already publish the names, photos, and addresses of convicted sex offenders, just extend that to publish the names and places of people who buy this book. That could turn out bad..... Think about it - you break up with your wife/GF, she uses your credit card to purchase that out of spite, BAM, you're fucked for life..... | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On December 21 2010 09:29 Impervious wrote: That could turn out bad..... Think about it - you break up with your wife/GF, she uses your credit card to purchase that out of spite, BAM, you're fucked for life..... I like your angle.. who thinks of that haha :D p.s. does she have your creditcard? | ||
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Jimmycliff
United States86 Posts
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Impervious
Canada4222 Posts
On December 21 2010 09:30 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I like your angle.. who thinks of that haha :D p.s. does she have your creditcard? Nawe, she had my balls by something else. :S | ||
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ibreakurface
United States664 Posts
On December 21 2010 09:27 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: That's why we have democracy. Government is there to do good things (ban bad things) and if they ban good things then you will vote someone else next time. If only it was so simple. People are sheep, they will do whatever is advertised better, and make good things seem criminal. Anyway, in the United States freedom of speech isn't taken lightly. It's one of the things that brought the country to exist. It's a slippery slope. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On November 20 2010 13:49 Keren wrote: The funny part of this discussion to me is how willing people are to call for a ban on a perfectly legal book. That's honestly scarier to me than the fact that some nutjob wrote a book about pedophilia. In case you all were confused, this book isn't banned, won't be banned, and shouldn't be banned. However, it has been pulled from sale on Amazon as Amazon is well within their rights to do. For what its worth, instructing people how to commit a crime isn't nor should it be illegal, see The Anarchist's Cookbook. And you know what, I am very glad books about how to commit crimes aren't illegal. Not that I endorse the pedophilia book in question but realize where this logic leads. Part of the reason why certain rights are protected is to reign government in from getting too crazy. In the instances above, building bombs and pedophilia, its quite clear to any reasonable person that they are illegal for very good reasons. But what if the government decided to outlaw something reasonable like civil demonstrations? Would you then be in favor of allowing government to censor Martin Luther King's writings? I don't think so. The point is if we want to make sure our rights are protected, we have to live with some awful things being said. I disagree. I don't feel like we have to live with awful things if we want to make sure our rights are protected. There's too much nonsense concerning "absolute freedom of speech is best." Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing, but I personally feel that there should be limits, and it was never intended in its original concept to be warped how this current generation has been making it to be. Be a realist concerning these matters. First, I don't even know why the anarchist cookbook is legal either. My old friend bought the book and started making shit from it, and he's the epitome of white trash. I was scared shitless someone like him got a hold of it. (Btw, no I'm not advocating censorship for fear of stupid people, I'm advocating censorship of extreme things such as "how to kill people," etc.). If the book was titled, "How to rape little boys and girls and get away with it without society knowing," I feel that censoring something like that should trump free speech. Personal opinion. I just feel this generation prizes it simply too highly. It's not the end all go to for society. | ||
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Steel
Japan2283 Posts
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Krikkitone
United States1451 Posts
People who own ths book won't be displaying it int their living room libraries... and that's the way it should be... the book is Legally 'free', but has substantial social costs. | ||
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Jswizzy
United States791 Posts
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Johnny Business
Sweden1251 Posts
On December 21 2010 06:50 adioN wrote: http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/business/20101220_ap_authorofpedophiliaguidetofacechargesinfla.html That's disgusting... "Obscenity law" Sounds like the kind of law that can be adapted to anything. | ||
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