EPTAjka alumina sludge spill - Page 4
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Geo.Rion
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No_Roo
United States905 Posts
On October 10 2010 00:03 Simplistik wrote: You're quite funny. Yes, yes, everything is toxic. But if everything is toxic, then what's the point of calling the sludge toxic? After all the trees, houses, fish and the river before the accident were also "toxic", weren't they? The label is used so that we can distinguish between substances that cause harm in low doses and substances or materials that don't. You will never find water with a label on saying toxic. You won't find sodium or calcium hydroxide with a toxic label on either. Of course you can call them what you like. By the way, nobody was denying that there was damage to wildlife. It just doesn't look like there were any truly toxic materials involved. That's a good thing of course, because that way the damage won't last nearly as long. You don't know what toxic means and you keep restating the same incorrect preconceived notions. If you don't like it, go start your own language and write your own dictionary. In the mean time the english definition of the word stands uncontested to be much more broad than you seem willing to accept. By the way, 1 fluid ounce of pH 13 solution added to a 20 gallon tank(2560 fluid ounces) of pH 7 solution will raise the pH of the solution in the tank to about 3.9 times the OH- levels of pH 9. That much of a change is enough to kill some of the most resilient fresh water fish if not all of them. So even your made up definition of toxic is still completely applicable to the industrial accident this thread is based on. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On October 10 2010 01:52 Geo.Rion wrote: holy shit, in the news they just said there is a new crack on the barage, so another flood like this could happen real soon Yep. DEVECSER, Hungary – The cracking wall of an industrial plant reservoir could collapse at any moment and send a new wave of caustic red sludge into towns devastated by a deluge this week, Hungary's prime minister said Saturday. A crack in the concrete wall widened by 2.76 inches (7 centimeters) overnight, Prime Minister Viktor Orban told reporters gathered at a fire station near the alumina plant that dumped up to 184 million gallons (700,000 cubic meters) of highly polluted water and mud onto three villages in about an hour Monday, burning people and animals. At least seven people were killed and hundreds injured. Source | ||
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yoplate
United States332 Posts
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
GJ on destroying an eco-system that runs all the way through europe... How can you be a member of the european union storing toxic shit like that? | ||
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nOia.pod
Hungary263 Posts
Latest reporst say there are already 3 cracks on the original barrage. Kolontár, the nearest village got relocated today. Only authorities are allowed to stay there. On top of that as the situation stands atm they have to build up a new barrage across Kolontár. No good at all... | ||
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antiq
Slovakia191 Posts
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No_Roo
United States905 Posts
On October 10 2010 05:59 antiq wrote: From the Wiki (and our daily news too tbh): At least seven people died, and 123 people were injured. That's messed up as hell, they should at least monitor the shit and evacuate the villages when it began to hit the fan. I can only imagine villagers caught off guard watching a 7 foot tall blood red wave of destruction covering their city must have thought they were observing some sort of biblical event. O.o I hope some stop gap measure is put in place to mitigate the damage of the dam breaking a second time, but I'm not even sure what they can do, what a logistical nightmare. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
this kinda shit makes me wonder in my head if 2012 could come to happen by our own hands :/ | ||
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Pika Chu
Romania2510 Posts
On October 08 2010 17:41 madnessman wrote: Ouch those pics look pretty bad. At least the materials in the sludge aren't super radioactive or poisonous. Wait.. Isn't CaO unstable and caustic? Uh oh... According to the Austrian environment protection agency it also contains Arsenic in 110 mg/kg concentration, chromium in 660 mg/kg concentration and mercury in 1,3 mg/kg concentrations. | ||
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
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zoltanium
Australia171 Posts
On October 10 2010 02:04 No_Roo wrote: By the way, 1 fluid ounce of pH 13 solution added to a 20 gallon tank(2560 fluid ounces) of pH 7 solution will raise the pH of the solution in the tank to about 3.9 times the OH- levels of pH 9. You crazy americans and your lack of SI units  Anyway for those who are interested heres a slightly more in depth look at red mud http://www.csrm.uq.edu.au/docs/Tuazon Corder_2008_LCA of Red Mud.pdf Look at Chapter 2.1 for a good summary. Fucking hell - Get your shit together hungarians! Who the hell storages toxic sludge like that? If it were in Denmark, the people responsible would get a life sentence in jail! GJ on destroying an eco-system that runs all the way through europe... How can you be a member of the european union storing toxic shit like that?Last edit: 2010-10-10 05:55:43 Everyone stores the red mud like that (well, out in the open). Its simply economically unfeasible to have storage tanks or to convert it completely into new products. For every tonne of Al2O3 produced in the process, as much as double of red mud is produced depending on bauxite composition, as compositions vary alot around the world (the initial ore). These big storage dams/ponds are fine, as long as the stuctural integrity of these buildings are fine. Looks like they weren't. Does anyone know what caused the structural failure? Was it something similar to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Baia_Mare_cyanide_spill? | ||
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Breach_hu
Hungary2431 Posts
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SpiritAshura
United States1271 Posts
pretty tragic this is happening, i wish the best to all involved. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
KOLONTAR, Hungary – The wall of a reservoir filled with caustic red sludge will inevitably collapse and unleash a new deluge of toxic matter that could ooze a half-mile (1 kilometer) to the north, wreaking further havoc in the wake of last week's disaster, a Hungarian official said Sunday. That would flood parts of the town already hit by the industrial waste Oct. 4 but stop short of the next town to the north. Source | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
[Zoltan Bakonyi, the director of the company involved in the sludge spill] will be charged with criminal negligence leading to a public catastrophe, and if convicted could face a sentence of up to 10 years, according to a government spokeswoman. Source | ||
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Rho_
United States971 Posts
Yay! Corporate responsibility! | ||
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valaki
Hungary2476 Posts
Rofl, do you really believe anyone would be seriously charged for this? | ||
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Adila
United States874 Posts
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