EPTTea Party wins primary in Delaware - Page 2
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Jibba
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InToTheWannaB
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Alou
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Not looking good if someone like her can get a senate seat or even beat the person who deserves the chance at the senate seat. | ||
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Signet
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zenMaster
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Deathstar
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Jibba
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On September 17 2010 10:31 Signet wrote: If I were to guess, I'd say America elects a bunch of Tea Party candidates this fall, the divided Congress gets nothing done, more Tea Party candidates are elected and Obama loses to Palin in 2012... and the Mayans end up being right after all. Well not quite, more like 20%+ unemployment followed by a rapid shift to the left a-la the 1930s. Uh... crazy lady is still down in the polls 10-15% to the D nominee. Kaufman isn't running again, but this is a state that elected the other Democratic senator with 70%. Your description isn't quite how Congress works... nothing may get done but that onus will be on the Democratic party. The Tea Baggers might steal a few seats but the whole Mr. Smith Goes to Washington story is a myth. They'll get there and immediately get pushed around by the Leader/Chairs. You need clout to get things done, and they have none. They may have it with the public, but that doesn't count for much once you enter the chambers. So if they take seats, they can enter Congress as Republicans which will throw all the moderate Rs for a loop. It'll then be much easier for Ds to court Republican votes. If they stay independent or whatever they want to call themselves, then they're basically a no show. They'll divide the right and make it easy for the left to pass things. That latter is really unlikely, however, because a third party just doesn't work in American politics. Maybe they'll do it for a term but the Ds will absolutely crush them in Congress if they do. Single voter district winner takes all elections = 2 parties. Most likely, however, they won't be getting many seats. They can contest the regular GOP seats which will basically just give the seat up for Democrats for the above stated reason. If the GOP integrates the Tea Baggers, then they alienate the moderates which are really what direct things. If they don't, they stand to become a distant #2 party which is also a death spell. Their best hopes are to poach some Blue Dog Democrats or simply try and make the Tea Baggers go away. Palin is reaaaally not the candidate the GOP wants to run. It's basically a guaranteed loss. Obama has stayed centrist enough to court enough moderate conservatives who are rightfully fearful of her, and she hasn't done anything to bolster her image. On top of that, I don't think anyone needs to be fearful of crushing her down anymore. Last time Obama and Biden showed a lot of restraint because they were fresh blood as well and didn't want to seem pithy. They don't have that problem anymore, so the gloves can come off. Same probably goes for the GOP primaries too. | ||
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Xog2
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O-ops
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On September 17 2010 10:54 Xog wrote: Anyone who will turn the country away from socialism is good enough for me. Yep. Too bad it ain't her. O'Donnell has said that she will never vote to increase taxes. Since the summer of 2010, O'Donnell has contended that "America is now a socialist economy", defining a "socialist economy" as one in which "50% or more your economy is dependent on the federal government." | ||
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FragKrag
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When will they learn T_T | ||
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Glaven
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On September 17 2010 10:54 Xog wrote: Anyone who will turn the country away from socialism is good enough for me. Yeah. Fuck em. "Taxed enough already" is damn right. Getting taxed because of these socialist initiatives is so unfair. Who cares about two wars costing billions of dollars a day. 40% of Americans receiving no healthcare or under-insured? Who cares as long as we have our freedom. Our freedom to choose. That's the American way. | ||
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Signet
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On September 17 2010 10:46 Jibba wrote: First of all, remember this is Delaware. Uh... crazy lady is still down in the polls 10-15% to the D nominee. Kaufman isn't running again, but this is a state that elected the other Democratic senator with 70%. Your description isn't quite how Congress works... nothing may get done but that onus will be on the Democratic party. The Tea Baggers might steal a few seats but the whole Mr. Smith Goes to Washington story is a myth. They'll get there and immediately get pushed around by the Leader/Chairs. You need clout to get things done, and they have none. They may have it with the public, but that doesn't count for much once you enter the chambers. So if they take seats, they can enter Congress as Republicans which will throw all the moderate Rs for a loop. It'll then be much easier for Ds to court Republican votes. If they stay independent or whatever they want to call themselves, then they're basically a no show. They'll divide the right and make it easy for the left to pass things. That latter is really unlikely, however, because a third party just doesn't work in American politics. Maybe they'll do it for a term but the Ds will absolutely crush them in Congress if they do. Single voter district winner takes all elections = 2 parties. Most likely, however, they won't be getting many seats. They can contest the regular GOP seats which will basically just give the seat up for Democrats for the above stated reason. If the GOP integrates the Tea Baggers, then they alienate the moderates which are really what direct things. If they don't, they stand to become a distant #2 party which is also a death spell. Their best hopes are to poach some Blue Dog Democrats or simply try and make the Tea Baggers go away. I'm a little confused - how was my description of Congress inaccurate? (not issues with predictions) I know that the "Tea Party" is not literally a separate party from the GOP, but that is just what these conservatives are calling themselves. The onus being on the Democrats is exactly what could hurt them in 2012. Currently 538 is projecting a 53-47 Democratic edge in the Senate (net 6 R pickups) and a 225-210 Republican edge in the House. This includes a likely O'Donnell loss, however other Tea Party and establishment GOP candidates are faring well in polls. If Congress is split like this, I don't forsee Obama/Dems getting anything done. The GOP is content to stonewall and blame the president, which thus far has worked out for them even with only 41 senators. | ||
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On September 17 2010 09:56 Aeres wrote: ... Who the hell is this broad? I've never heard of her before. Is the Tea Party trying to convince us that random bitches who crawl out of the woodwork to run for government spots are indeed somehow qualified for those positions? Is obama ? | ||
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darmousseh
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1. Hardcore ultra conservatives who want no taxes, but for us to go to war with all terrorist nations. Sarah Palin. 2. Libertarians who support low taxes, no military agression. Ron Paul. I happen to belong in group 2. The majority of the initial party consisted of this, but since its inception, neo conservatives have invaded and ruined a true libertarian revolution. | ||
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Craton
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darmousseh
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Is anyone? | ||
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Mykill
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Sleight
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On September 17 2010 10:54 Xog wrote: Anyone who will turn the country away from socialism is good enough for me. This is hilarious. You have no idea what socialism is. The U.S. is becoming actually modern and people are convinced it is turning into Marx' wet dream. No other country Western country has a poor health care access, greater standard of living gap, or worse maternal or neonatal mortality and people think that fixing that is socialism. Live in a 'socialist' country for awhile, talk to me about it afterwards. Been to Germany? I had to pay, as an American, 15 bucks for an emergency specialist visit while the planned visit I made in America cost over 20 times that. GOD SOCIALISM SUCKS I DIDN"T HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN EATING AND HAVING CRITICAL MEDICAL CARE! RAWR! It's amazing ALL OF EUROPE hasn't exploded in violent socialist revolution. I mean, socialism is the devil right? Wait... | ||
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NFLisFixed
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its not stealing! its taxes! when armed men come and by force take money from you its not stealing, its taxes! | ||
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wswordsmen
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