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.gypsy
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada689 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-23 21:59:35
July 23 2010 21:57 GMT
#61
On July 23 2010 21:19 butchji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 14:40 mOnion wrote:
a MIND BOGGLING 300 APM!!!!

...

i've hit 290 avg in games and i'm c-
someone tell them the correct answer is 500


Don't talk bullshit. NaDa himself said a progamers APM is around 300. Look at all FlaSh replays at gosugamers.net always +/- 300


..a lot of iccup players even at D level have very high apm, its actually not rare for C//++ players to have above or around 300 apm.


On July 24 2010 06:48 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2010 06:36 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
On July 23 2010 14:40 mOnion wrote:
a MIND BOGGLING 300 APM!!!!

...

i've hit 290 avg in games and i'm c-
someone tell them the correct answer is 500


If you are c- with 290 avg apm, most of your actions are unnecessary spamming, sorry man.

If you are not c- with 290 avg apm, many of your actions are unnecessary spamming. Pros spam rally too from what I understand.

In fact if Flash wasted no wasted apm, and averaged 290, he'd be more effective than he is now.


what do you mean he'd be more effective than he is now? as an apm/eapm ratio, or actually a better player, because it has obviously nothing to do with being better or worst..
https://www.twitch.tv/gypsy93
Tabbris
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Bangladesh2839 Posts
July 23 2010 22:00 GMT
#62
On July 24 2010 06:57 404.TooEz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 21:19 butchji wrote:
On July 23 2010 14:40 mOnion wrote:
a MIND BOGGLING 300 APM!!!!

...

i've hit 290 avg in games and i'm c-
someone tell them the correct answer is 500


Don't talk bullshit. NaDa himself said a progamers APM is around 300. Look at all FlaSh replays at gosugamers.net always +/- 300


..a lot of iccup players even at D level have very high apm, its actually not rare for C//++ players to have above or around 300 apm.

My peak was 175 i dont think i spamed i just went through my hatchery alot. So yeah im not surprised if a terran or a zerg player have over 200
Chesner
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Iceland817 Posts
July 23 2010 22:00 GMT
#63
#4 I had no idea about, kinda cool!
PENGUINS
ckw
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1018 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-23 22:47:57
July 23 2010 22:45 GMT
#64
On July 23 2010 14:08 Mindcrime wrote:
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On July 23 2010 14:02 Coagulation wrote:
Im constantly seeing commercials on syfy every day..



in between all the bad movies?


OMG lolol I really laughed for a good 3 minutes d00d.

Btw I was c- on iCCup and had 280-330 APM consistently and it wasn't just spam. In late game you can have 400+ without even spamming because of intense macro and huge army battles. It's funny when people who have around 20 apm think they know everything about everything. gtfo now plz kthxbye.
Being weak is a choice.
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
July 23 2010 22:47 GMT
#65
It's kinda sad that I actually knew all of what the article had to say about SC II.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
July 23 2010 22:49 GMT
#66
OMG 300 APM!!!!!!!

Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
July 23 2010 23:11 GMT
#67
did not know about it going into space...
300apm ZOMG ZomGASOGJASDJDSlgLfqwlk3ryq f*RY(F*OSIDL!!!!!!
[~~The Impossible Leads To Invention~~] CJ Entusman #52 The problem with internet quotations is that they are hard to verify -Abraham Lincoln c.1863
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
July 23 2010 23:43 GMT
#68
On July 24 2010 06:57 404.TooEz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 21:19 butchji wrote:
On July 23 2010 14:40 mOnion wrote:
a MIND BOGGLING 300 APM!!!!

...

i've hit 290 avg in games and i'm c-
someone tell them the correct answer is 500


Don't talk bullshit. NaDa himself said a progamers APM is around 300. Look at all FlaSh replays at gosugamers.net always +/- 300


..a lot of iccup players even at D level have very high apm, its actually not rare for C//++ players to have above or around 300 apm.


Show nested quote +
On July 24 2010 06:48 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
On July 24 2010 06:36 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
On July 23 2010 14:40 mOnion wrote:
a MIND BOGGLING 300 APM!!!!

...

i've hit 290 avg in games and i'm c-
someone tell them the correct answer is 500


If you are c- with 290 avg apm, most of your actions are unnecessary spamming, sorry man.

If you are not c- with 290 avg apm, many of your actions are unnecessary spamming. Pros spam rally too from what I understand.

In fact if Flash wasted no wasted apm, and averaged 290, he'd be more effective than he is now.


what do you mean he'd be more effective than he is now? as an apm/eapm ratio, or actually a better player, because it has obviously nothing to do with being better or worst..

I was trying to avoid using the term eapm since it's hard to say what actions are useful, but yeah. If he didn't spam at all and averaged 290 apm he'd be able to do far more things and micro far better than he does now.
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
July 23 2010 23:51 GMT
#69
I thought BW chart already filtered out most of the spam for the first two minutes, or are people talking about spamming in the middle of a game? Isn't that counter-productive? No one cares about apm, it's all about the win baby!
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
Owompa
Profile Joined April 2009
United States85 Posts
July 23 2010 23:57 GMT
#70
Starcraft II is in the latest issue of time magazine. The one about summer holiday being eliminated. Second to last page.
Bring it!
GhoSt[shield]
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2131 Posts
July 23 2010 23:58 GMT
#71
Hell, its about Time!
FlopTurnReaver
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Switzerland1980 Posts
July 24 2010 00:27 GMT
#72
Battle.net, Blizzard's free online gaming service..


Good one
Check out @MapOfTheMonth on Twitter and under http://bit.ly/motmorg
Backpack
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1776 Posts
July 24 2010 04:00 GMT
#73
On July 24 2010 02:17 Empyrean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 21:19 butchji wrote:
On July 23 2010 14:40 mOnion wrote:
a MIND BOGGLING 300 APM!!!!

...

i've hit 290 avg in games and i'm c-
someone tell them the correct answer is 500


Don't talk bullshit. NaDa himself said a progamers APM is around 300. Look at all FlaSh replays at gosugamers.net always +/- 300


Many casual gamers also have around 300 APM.

I think by.hero is the progamer who has the highest consistent APM. But yeah, most progamers also hover at the 300 range.

Difference is, the progamers know what to do with all those actions
"You people need to just generally care a lot less about everything." -Zatic
Rkie
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1278 Posts
July 24 2010 04:23 GMT
#74
wow, SC was played IN SPACE. only one i didnt know.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 24 2010 04:24 GMT
#75
I don't think it was played in space, I thought an astronaut just took a copy of it up to space.
butchji
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1531 Posts
July 24 2010 06:26 GMT
#76
On July 24 2010 06:57 404.TooEz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2010 21:19 butchji wrote:
On July 23 2010 14:40 mOnion wrote:
a MIND BOGGLING 300 APM!!!!

...

i've hit 290 avg in games and i'm c-
someone tell them the correct answer is 500


Don't talk bullshit. NaDa himself said a progamers APM is around 300. Look at all FlaSh replays at gosugamers.net always +/- 300


..a lot of iccup players even at D level have very high apm, its actually not rare for C//++ players to have above or around 300 apm.


Show nested quote +
On July 24 2010 06:48 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
On July 24 2010 06:36 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
On July 23 2010 14:40 mOnion wrote:
a MIND BOGGLING 300 APM!!!!

...

i've hit 290 avg in games and i'm c-
someone tell them the correct answer is 500


If you are c- with 290 avg apm, most of your actions are unnecessary spamming, sorry man.

If you are not c- with 290 avg apm, many of your actions are unnecessary spamming. Pros spam rally too from what I understand.

In fact if Flash wasted no wasted apm, and averaged 290, he'd be more effective than he is now.


what do you mean he'd be more effective than he is now? as an apm/eapm ratio, or actually a better player, because it has obviously nothing to do with being better or worst..


I seriously don't care what those iccup C- players do. I just said it's bullshit that those progamers have 500 APM and that this article has no clue by claiming they have "only" 300.
.gypsy
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada689 Posts
July 25 2010 00:27 GMT
#77
On July 24 2010 08:43 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2010 06:57 404.TooEz wrote:
On July 23 2010 21:19 butchji wrote:
On July 23 2010 14:40 mOnion wrote:
a MIND BOGGLING 300 APM!!!!

...

i've hit 290 avg in games and i'm c-
someone tell them the correct answer is 500


Don't talk bullshit. NaDa himself said a progamers APM is around 300. Look at all FlaSh replays at gosugamers.net always +/- 300


..a lot of iccup players even at D level have very high apm, its actually not rare for C//++ players to have above or around 300 apm.


On July 24 2010 06:48 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
On July 24 2010 06:36 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
On July 23 2010 14:40 mOnion wrote:
a MIND BOGGLING 300 APM!!!!

...

i've hit 290 avg in games and i'm c-
someone tell them the correct answer is 500


If you are c- with 290 avg apm, most of your actions are unnecessary spamming, sorry man.

If you are not c- with 290 avg apm, many of your actions are unnecessary spamming. Pros spam rally too from what I understand.

In fact if Flash wasted no wasted apm, and averaged 290, he'd be more effective than he is now.


what do you mean he'd be more effective than he is now? as an apm/eapm ratio, or actually a better player, because it has obviously nothing to do with being better or worst..

I was trying to avoid using the term eapm since it's hard to say what actions are useful, but yeah. If he didn't spam at all and averaged 290 apm he'd be able to do far more things and micro far better than he does now.


im really sorry but this is completely wrong. firstly, its impossible to know at which point flash is "spamming", whether it is between the initial BO, during/before/after a battle, while during/before/after macroing, etc. it is in many players nature to spam random keys at times where it is irrelevant, but when actual micro occurs, players, such as flash, will obviously not continue spamming rather than actually control his units. In any case I think that you are completely wrong ^.^, but I would really enjoy hearing what your logic behind that actually was, rather than a vague "if he didnt spam, he could get more done"

On July 24 2010 15:26 butchji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2010 06:57 404.TooEz wrote:
On July 23 2010 21:19 butchji wrote:
On July 23 2010 14:40 mOnion wrote:
a MIND BOGGLING 300 APM!!!!

...

i've hit 290 avg in games and i'm c-
someone tell them the correct answer is 500


Don't talk bullshit. NaDa himself said a progamers APM is around 300. Look at all FlaSh replays at gosugamers.net always +/- 300


..a lot of iccup players even at D level have very high apm, its actually not rare for C//++ players to have above or around 300 apm.


On July 24 2010 06:48 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
On July 24 2010 06:36 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
On July 23 2010 14:40 mOnion wrote:
a MIND BOGGLING 300 APM!!!!

...

i've hit 290 avg in games and i'm c-
someone tell them the correct answer is 500


If you are c- with 290 avg apm, most of your actions are unnecessary spamming, sorry man.

If you are not c- with 290 avg apm, many of your actions are unnecessary spamming. Pros spam rally too from what I understand.

In fact if Flash wasted no wasted apm, and averaged 290, he'd be more effective than he is now.


what do you mean he'd be more effective than he is now? as an apm/eapm ratio, or actually a better player, because it has obviously nothing to do with being better or worst..


I seriously don't care what those iccup C- players do. I just said it's bullshit that those progamers have 500 APM and that this article has no clue by claiming they have "only" 300.



Progamers do not have 500 APM, maybe except for like by.hero or something, and most are far below the 400 APM mark. Would you pay attention instead of making up random numbers, there are often times when they display the stats of a previous game or w/e that the players had played, and I think this is for both OSL/MSL, and mostly avg 300+/-.

I hope I didnt bump this for nothing ^^
https://www.twitch.tv/gypsy93
di4m0nd
Profile Joined June 2010
United States297 Posts
July 25 2010 01:08 GMT
#78
nice find thanks for sharing
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gulati
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2241 Posts
July 25 2010 02:13 GMT
#79
i just pray that sc2 doesnt become the cs:s of cs mayne. i think i'm the only person who is sad that sc2 is finally happening. long live GARIMTO!
C r u m b l i n g
Echo515
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada105 Posts
July 25 2010 02:24 GMT
#80
Didn't read the whole thread so don't know if anyone else pointed this out but isn't 70 wpm technically more than 300 apm?
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