EPTOn July 15 2010 01:36 Warrior Madness wrote:
Bill Hicks.
Bill Hicks.
how dare you...!
j/k
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
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kzn
United States1218 Posts
On July 15 2010 01:36 Warrior Madness wrote: Other people who aren't philosophers: Any Rand, Hegel, Noam Chomsky, Deepak Chopra, Bill Hicks. I can tell already, you are going to be a good philosopher. [edit] entirely serious too, fuck hegel | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
This is entirely from reading about her on wikipedia and admittedly I have never come across her work, although I have never even heard her mentioned in my philosophy classes. | ||
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Usyless
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On July 15 2010 02:17 XeliN wrote: Rand struck me as an assertive person, the type who typically tries to lead and impose their rhetoric on weak followers. This is entirely from reading about her on wikipedia and admittedly I have never come across her work, although I have never even heard her mentioned in my philosophy classes. Pretty much. Rand makes logicians cry. But what do logicians know about logic? | ||
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Epsilon8
Canada173 Posts
On July 15 2010 00:52 Gnosis wrote: So what you are saying is that although suffering is an experience, it is an illusion? And if that's what you were saying, I would go the step further and say, therefore, there is no suffering. Yes that is what I am saying, to suffering is an illusion. But I want to make it clear here that it is an illusion based on the idea of emptiness. Emptiness means the absence of inherent existence so when we say that things are empty we don't mean that the don't exist we mean that they don't exist inherently, that is outside of causes and conditions. Suffering being empty doesn't mean it doesn't exist it means that it doesn't have an inherent existence. So yes it does exist. But only within certain causes and conditions. It is an illusion in the sense that we think it actually exists in and of itself wholly not dependent on other things to define it i.e. a human being who goes through suffering. The only thing that is inherently existent is the whole of everything because it is a singular existence unopposed by opposites. | ||
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Maji
Australia82 Posts
On July 14 2010 05:12 UFO wrote: I create this thread in hopes that it will provide us with a stimulating philosophical discussion. Philosophy - "Philosophy is the study of general and fundamental problems concerning matters such as existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language. It is distinguished from other ways of addressing fundamental questions (such as mysticism, myth, or the arts) by its critical, generally systematic approach and its reliance on rational argument." What is the point of life ? To learn, what you occupy is a thought created realm which works much like a projection does when your in cinema's, your interpeting what is projected from the light of the projector so your perception is the light being projected and images it creates. So life purpose is to learn from this illusion to develop your consciousness into higher understandings of yourself and your roll in exsistance. This gets more complex as each density which is proper term for each level of this school so to speak has it own criteria. What can bring you lasting happiness ? Ascension into a 4th density service to other experience, the 3rd density we occupy now does not know true happiness you know a distortion of truth in which even when your happy there is parts of you unhappy from your experiences, this experience has been spoken about by prophets it called 'heaven on earth'. What are your most important values ? Values are determined by the consciousness of the experiencing vesel, the values given by direction by propherts are designed to assist in best possibility timeline outcome, hence your commandments are more a option of a guide to help you avoid bad karma. What is good and what is evil ? Perceptions of actions of Selfishness or Selflessness, in end all must choose between STS or STO right now humanity is STS with a understanding of STO but realm is polarized more into STS hence your reality is one of struggling. What is Wisdom ? Abilitys to understand knowledge and use to best of intended ability, this does not mean wisdom is lacked in those who choose the negative paths there is many wise cunning beings that humanity do not yet even know exsist. What is your personal answer to these questions ? See above. What philosphers or philosphical doctrines do you especially like and why ? I`m especially interested in your own philosophical cogitation but any quotations of famous philosphers or ones you like are very welcome. I am a god a watcher a angel a alien whatever you choose to see me as, I am in human form who knows humanitys future who is part taking in it and has decided that transitions best course is destructive only then are humans modivated to think at deeper levels and act together this was shown in events of past that humanity shows more compassion during times of disaster. I am Adonai Christ. I know this because of reasons not many could understand because people do not know who they are, who they think they are is nothing but a distortion of there true self. This site is designed to help you understand deeper wisdom. www.spiritofra.com This is recommended as the collective in which contacted such individuals is part of myself as well but also part of yourself yet you do not hear the voice because of the noise around you. Asher eh yeh | ||
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Epsilon8
Canada173 Posts
On July 15 2010 02:35 Maji wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 14 2010 05:12 UFO wrote: I create this thread in hopes that it will provide us with a stimulating philosophical discussion. Philosophy - "Philosophy is the study of general and fundamental problems concerning matters such as existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language. It is distinguished from other ways of addressing fundamental questions (such as mysticism, myth, or the arts) by its critical, generally systematic approach and its reliance on rational argument." What is the point of life ? To learn, what you occupy is a thought created realm which works much like a projection does when your in cinema's, your interpeting what is projected from the light of the projector so your perception is the light being projected and images it creates. So life purpose is to learn from this illusion to develop your consciousness into higher understandings of yourself and your roll in exsistance. This gets more complex as each density which is proper term for each level of this school so to speak has it own criteria. What can bring you lasting happiness ? Ascension into a 4th density service to other experience, the 3rd density we occupy now does not know true happiness you know a distortion of truth in which even when your happy there is parts of you unhappy from your experiences, this experience has been spoken about by prophets it called 'heaven on earth'. What are your most important values ? Values are determined by the consciousness of the experiencing vesel, the values given by direction by propherts are designed to assist in best possibility timeline outcome, hence your commandments are more a option of a guide to help you avoid bad karma. What is good and what is evil ? Perceptions of actions of Selfishness or Selflessness, in end all must choose between STS or STO right now humanity is STS with a understanding of STO but realm is polarized more into STS hence your reality is one of struggling. What is Wisdom ? Abilitys to understand knowledge and use to best of intended ability, this does not mean wisdom is lacked in those who choose the negative paths there is many wise cunning beings that humanity do not yet even know exsist. What is your personal answer to these questions ? See above. What philosphers or philosphical doctrines do you especially like and why ? I`m especially interested in your own philosophical cogitation but any quotations of famous philosphers or ones you like are very welcome. I am a god a watcher a angel a alien whatever you choose to see me as, I am in human form who knows humanitys future who is part taking in it and has decided that transitions best course is destructive only then are humans modivated to think at deeper levels and act together this was shown in events of past that humanity shows more compassion during times of disaster. I am Adonai Christ. I know this because of reasons not many could understand because people do not know who they are, who they think they are is nothing but a distortion of there true self. This site is designed to help you understand deeper wisdom. www.spiritofra.com This is recommended as the collective in which contacted such individuals is part of myself as well but also part of yourself yet you do not hear the voice because of the noise around you. Asher eh yeh The Law Of One? Correct me if I am wrong but the beings in higher realms form collectives. If they recognize that all is one what need is there to form a collective? | ||
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Maji
Australia82 Posts
On July 15 2010 02:23 Epsilon8 wrote: Yes that is what I am saying, to suffering is an illusion. But I want to make it clear here that it is an illusion based on the idea of emptiness. Emptiness means the absence of inherent existence so when we say that things are empty we don't mean that the don't exist we mean that they don't exist inherently, that is outside of causes and conditions. Suffering being empty doesn't mean it doesn't exist it means that it doesn't have an inherent existence. So yes it does exist. But only within certain causes and conditions. It is an illusion in the sense that we think it actually exists in and of itself wholly not dependent on other things to define it i.e. a human being who goes through suffering. The only thing that is inherently existent is the whole of everything because it is a singular existence unopposed by opposites. Suffering is a modervation to ask a question, it is simlar to pains you go through to build muscle it takes that work in order to develop the outcome you seek. Suffering is not a intention the creator wanted for you but a product you created by your state of ignorance. Suffering is indeed a illusion as is everything but it is a illusion you are part of so hence understanding it would be the best for you so you can avoid further suffering. You interpet the events that occur we simply create the enviroment of learning, what you do with that enviroment under the laws created for you is your 'Freewill' understand that limits had to be placed so that those out of balance could not destroy the school your learning in, those limits are both there to protect you but can also be malipulated to bind you as has forces you are yet to remember done. The question you should ask is 'Why do we suffer' then the answer can be eventually given all knowledge exsists in waves once a question is asked those waves become manifest as the answer, so we could involve abit of physics if you like and explain the process which takes place in order for a object to be manifest. Understand those who suffer created it as a concequence of there own lifes choices either in this incarnation or a co-exsisting past one, it is good to show compassion and help when asked but higher understanding is to allow the soul to experience its suffering so it learns from it. Remember the creator only gives you love 'gravity' to mold into what you want to mold it into it is not the creator who creates the evil you experience or your perspectives on suffering in which can be changed at any moment, It is you. Hence term to see in new light is to forgive those who brought you suffering that moment in illusion of time is then healed and no longer binds you. To seek vengence will only create a game of tenis the ball will travel between both courts until one you ends up hurt, then because one is hurt one creates karma in which one then also will be hurt at a later experience. Adonai bless | ||
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Maji
Australia82 Posts
On July 15 2010 02:43 Epsilon8 wrote: The Law Of One? Correct me if I am wrong but the beings in higher realms form collectives. If they recognize that all is one what need is there to form a collective? Before unification of the One, One forms One within oneself the collective is your self in all experiences and worlds combining as one thought group, hence you collectively work together such as we are doing now from the many densitys and associated dimensions hence can communicate information not obtainable in specific realms across thresholds. We call this path to completition. Adonai bless | ||
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Epsilon8
Canada173 Posts
On July 15 2010 02:47 Maji wrote: Suffering is a modervation to ask a question, it is simlar to pains you go through to build muscle it takes that work in order to develop the outcome you seek. Suffering is not a intention the creator wanted for you but a product you created by your state of ignorance. Suffering is indeed a illusion as is everything but it is a illusion you are part of so hence understanding it would be the best for you so you can avoid further suffering. You interpet the events that occur we simply create the enviroment of learning, what you do with that enviroment under the laws created for you is your 'Freewill' understand that limits had to be placed so that those out of balance could not destroy the school your learning in, those limits are both there to protect you but can also be malipulated to bind you as has forces you are yet to remember done. The question you should ask is 'Why do we suffer' then the answer can be eventually given all knowledge exsists in waves once a question is asked those waves become manifest as the answer, so we could involve abit of physics if you like and explain the process which takes place in order for a object to be manifest. Understand those who suffer created it as a concequence of there own lifes choices either in this incarnation or a co-exsisting past one, it is good to show compassion and help when asked but higher understanding is to allow the soul to experience its suffering so it learns from it. Remember the creator only gives you love 'gravity' to mold into what you want to mold it into it is not the creator who creates the evil you experience or your perspectives on suffering in which can be changed at any moment, It is you. Hence term to see in new light is to forgive those who brought you suffering that moment in illusion of time is then healed and no longer binds you. To seek vengence will only create a game of tenis the ball will travel between both courts until one you ends up hurt, then because one is hurt one creates karma in which one then also will be hurt at a later experience. Adonai bless I have been arguing for Buddhism which shares many of the philosophical views of the Law of One but none of the theology. + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2010 02:49 Maji wrote: Before unification of the One, One forms One within oneself the collective is your self in all experiences and worlds combining as one thought group, hence you collectively work together such as we are doing now from the many densitys and associated dimensions hence can communicate information not obtainable in specific realms across thresholds. We call this path to completition. Adonai bless This sounds similar to A Course in Miracles. Its an interesting idea. | ||
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Maji
Australia82 Posts
On July 15 2010 02:55 Epsilon8 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2010 02:47 Maji wrote: Suffering is a modervation to ask a question, it is simlar to pains you go through to build muscle it takes that work in order to develop the outcome you seek. Suffering is not a intention the creator wanted for you but a product you created by your state of ignorance. Suffering is indeed a illusion as is everything but it is a illusion you are part of so hence understanding it would be the best for you so you can avoid further suffering. You interpet the events that occur we simply create the enviroment of learning, what you do with that enviroment under the laws created for you is your 'Freewill' understand that limits had to be placed so that those out of balance could not destroy the school your learning in, those limits are both there to protect you but can also be malipulated to bind you as has forces you are yet to remember done. The question you should ask is 'Why do we suffer' then the answer can be eventually given all knowledge exsists in waves once a question is asked those waves become manifest as the answer, so we could involve abit of physics if you like and explain the process which takes place in order for a object to be manifest. Understand those who suffer created it as a concequence of there own lifes choices either in this incarnation or a co-exsisting past one, it is good to show compassion and help when asked but higher understanding is to allow the soul to experience its suffering so it learns from it. Remember the creator only gives you love 'gravity' to mold into what you want to mold it into it is not the creator who creates the evil you experience or your perspectives on suffering in which can be changed at any moment, It is you. Hence term to see in new light is to forgive those who brought you suffering that moment in illusion of time is then healed and no longer binds you. To seek vengence will only create a game of tenis the ball will travel between both courts until one you ends up hurt, then because one is hurt one creates karma in which one then also will be hurt at a later experience. Adonai bless I have been arguing for Buddhism which shares many of the philosophical views of the Law of One but none of the theology. + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2010 02:49 Maji wrote: Before unification of the One, One forms One within oneself the collective is your self in all experiences and worlds combining as one thought group, hence you collectively work together such as we are doing now from the many densitys and associated dimensions hence can communicate information not obtainable in specific realms across thresholds. We call this path to completition. Adonai bless This sounds similar to A Course in Miracles. Its an interesting idea. Your perception on reality is your choice, this doesnt mean it cant be infuelenced, sometimes good ideas can be infuelenced in ways that a good idea is then used to create a evil affect. Example is the corruption of the teachings given in past by 'Christ' in which modern religions do not truely hold the true christianity any longer. All in this world is distorted even we can not give you all answers we are only permited to give you a seed to plant you then must look after it and grow it into your own tree of knowledge. Universe is product of all ideas, humanity doesnt yet understand themself so is not ready for meeting the higher communitys which observe them. Some of you however are going to get a opportunity soon to be transfered consciously into a higher density experience in which the laws in such realm are less restricting you would consider such a experience on earth as magical you will meet these communitys soon those who transcend during the harvest and you will be taught by the masters of this cycle and meet many different lifeforms during your experience. This 3rd density planet however that we currently occupy will go through the prophercised apocalyse which will occur in stages in which those who experience it are well deserving, understand that laws of concequence exsist to keep a balance within the duality of exsistance there is always a concequence to action done against another part of self, nature will play a roll in the karma to come but so will unforseen forces ones you only think about in your movies it will be a shocking time for humanity but a necessary time. The soul of this planet "GAIA" is moving into her new body as she is birthing herself into a new reality the corpse left behind will eventually resemble its prestoric state it will be a molten ball of plasma 'lake of fire' this is eventually this isnt your near future alot is to occur first but that is the fate for some souls,(history repeats) this includes the forming of solar systems perhaps consciousness also experiences the primodial process and learned 'WoW' millions of years of development then through the whole humanoid wars and learning once more up until point simlar of now when another harvest comes. Now imagine what world will resemble when all that is left is the psychopaths and evil people of this world and the selfish. Quickly will it fall into disaray we are talking insanity this has been prophercized by many cultures and they are correct now you can understand the true meaning of the biblical prophercys as well right now your in those times it is the laying of foundation that is occuring now. None of this matters if dont believe me or not those who understand it have a chance those who dont have no chance, this is your own doing so when the reality finally is revealed for what it is and you realize your accountable for everything you do in all lifetimes do not blame the creator, look in the mirror thats the culprit. Adonai bless | ||
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Epsilon8
Canada173 Posts
On July 15 2010 03:10 Maji wrote: Your perception on reality is your choice, this doesnt mean it cant be infuelenced, sometimes good ideas can be infuelenced in ways that a good idea is then used to create a evil affect. Example is the corruption of the teachings given in past by 'Christ' in which modern religions do not truely hold the true christianity any longer. Are you saying Buddhism is one of these? On July 15 2010 03:10 Maji wrote: Universe is product of all ideas, humanity doesnt yet understand themself so is not ready for meeting the higher communitys which observe them. Some of you however are going to get a opportunity soon to be transfered consciously into a higher density experience in which the laws in such realm are less restricting you would consider such a experience on earth as magical you will meet these communitys soon those who transcend during the harvest and you will be taught by the masters of this cycle and meet many different lifeforms during your experience. How does one attain the necessary requirements to be given a 'chance' to advance to fourth density? If you know all this why are you still in third density? And on TL for that matter? | ||
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Maji
Australia82 Posts
Something for you all to think about considering way you all treat one another on this forum, testing of waters occurs many times you will never know when a angel is performing a test the opportuniys arise many times it can be a call for help that you ignore or opportunity to return something you found, this world is all about lessons it is time you use the tools we gave you to figure it out and stop being a lazy ignorant race that lets wolfs in sheeps clothes rule your world and create it for you. Adonai bless | ||
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Maji
Australia82 Posts
On July 15 2010 03:17 Epsilon8 wrote: Are you saying Buddhism is one of these? How does one attain the necessary requirements to be given a 'chance' to advance to fourth density? If you know all this why are you still in third density? And on TL for that matter? No buddism is less distorted compared to other religions it is closest to truth, there is of course a variation within each that becomes distorted as people add own ideas to the teachings. Infact if you must follow a organized religion we do not recommended it as setting limitiations creates blockages, then buddism would be best choice. Because I am on contract to remain and be put under all temptations distortions humanity has been put under so that the events determined that occur during the coming transition are fair, I too must do the work to ascend myself and dont worry ive made plenty of selfish mistakes during my journey but dont let them hold you back understand that the moment is all that maters everything is forgivable if the intent is pure hence concept rependence, you cant lie to yourself some go to repent but truely do not mean it the heart knows and is a higher mind than humanity understands. All places are mediums of learning, considering my ego self enjoys the game I see no purpose in not speaking through this vesel at this time, remember we explained about leveled consciousness. To make yourself eliable for the 4th density it requires to understand the lessons of 3rd density, we can share some of these but we would advise you understand Karma we will also tell you the physical representation is force known as ineria so look at what ineria does and you will understand purpose of karma and how to avoid creating it for yourself and to find the path you truely desire in heart. We would advise meditation. Adonai bless | ||
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Gnosis
Scotland912 Posts
On July 15 2010 02:23 Epsilon8 wrote: Yes that is what I am saying, to suffering is an illusion. But I want to make it clear here that it is an illusion based on the idea of emptiness. Emptiness means the absence of inherent existence so when we say that things are empty we don't mean that the don't exist we mean that they don't exist inherently, that is outside of causes and conditions. Suffering being empty doesn't mean it doesn't exist it means that it doesn't have an inherent existence. So yes it does exist. But only within certain causes and conditions. It is an illusion in the sense that we think it actually exists in and of itself wholly not dependent on other things to define it i.e. a human being who goes through suffering. The only thing that is inherently existent is the whole of everything because it is a singular existence unopposed by opposites. I see, I get what you're saying now. So suffering, why is it undesireable, and why is pleasure (or happiness) desireable, if these things do not exist inherently? | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
On July 15 2010 03:10 Maji wrote: Your perception on reality is your choice, this doesn’s mean it can’t be influenced, sometimes smiley ideas can be influenced in ways that a smiley idea is then used to create a frowny affect. Example is the corrution of the teachings given in the past by ‘Micky Mouse’ in which modern day religions do not truely hold the true Mouseianity and longer. All in this world is distorted we can not give you all answers we are only permitted to give you a seed to plant, you must then look after it and grow it into your own tree of knowledge. (basically we are metaphorical gardeners lol! In fact just thinking about me in a “we can not give you all answers” kinda superior way is almost making me blow my cultivated seed) This 3rd density planet however, which we currently occupy will go through the prophercised apocalypse. I’m not going to provide any reasoning behind why I say this because this is a thread about philosophy, it’s not like attempting to rationlise and justify assertions is actually important in anyway... ANYWAY, where was I? Oh yeah! 3rd densities, well you see theres this thing called duality of existence, its complicated but it might help if i throw around some more unsubstantiated terms and ideas until it feels like your reading the inane ramblings of a psychopath. So yeah basically shocking times, im talking movie BOOM, SWOOSH, OWWW! Kinda thing, Karma and unforseen forces, i mean i know it’s kinda oxymoronical to proclaim something to be happening that is unforseen when i’ve just forseen it but hey u dig me yeah? The soul of this planet, which can be verified by laying with your ear to the ground and tickling it until it giggles, is moving into her new body. I’m setting up a body warming party, me, vishnu and mary poppins are hosting but theres gonna be so many cool people there! But yeah, this planet, she’s called GAIA and she’s sensitive about her weight, it’s starting to get to a point where the equator no longer goes all the way round her so plz don’t mention it or she might rain. But prestoric states, yeh well ok a molten ball of plasma or ‘lake of fire’ as it’s called among us “know hows” and some souls will be chilling (lol irony pun) in it altho not all will. Where was I, ah yeah humanoid wars and WoW, basically thats gonna happen until theres another harvest when all of the WoW players will put down their keyboard, and the humanoids will cease their wars and bask in the glimmering fields of “my own fucked up fantasy” Now imagine what the world will resemble when all that is left is me and other people like me on this convuluted fantasy of existence (oh and the selfish). Quickly it will fall into disaray I am talking insanity this has been prophesised by loads of peeps like me, so it must be true right! So yeah loads of these prophercies have come true, and by true i mean they are vague and interpretive enough that you could literally explain them in anyway you want (read above for examples!) but yeah it’s occuring now FEAR!!!!! None of this matters if you don’t believe me, and if you do believe me I suggest you invest in some psychiatric help but those who do believe me, apart from being like dumb and that, will understand (oxymoron aside) they have a chance! Those who don’t have no chance, this is your own doing, and i don’t actually say what “this” means because that would force me to actually say something with substance and journey into the scary realms of “justifying the nonesense i say”. Now for something pretty vacuous yet satisfyingly pretentious for people to mayb take what I say seriously. errrm... hang on... The light of truth can shine even in the darkest of nights, to see it you need only lift up your head and open your eyes. + Show Spoiler + (it looks abit like a batsignal and if u listen closely u might hear "na na na na na na na na, na na na na na na na na BATMAN.... BATMAN... BATMAN!!!!) Falcon Punch | ||
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Jazriel
Canada404 Posts
On July 14 2010 23:16 Pandain wrote:Perhaps you should offer someeone to refute your presentation of objectivism. So offer a piece of evidence and then debate from there, not the whole objecctivism. For example, is is easier to say "Prove that God doesnn't exist." then to prove that god exists. So first prove objectivism exists and then go from there. For me to present Objectivism, would be meaningless. Not only am I seriously doubtful of my ability to properly present Objectivism, I have no desire to. The truth of Objectivism is axiomatic. There's a good quote from Rand (gee, I wonder why the creator of the philosophy would have something good to say about it), explaining how on can only argue against the validity of the axioms purposed by Objectivism by using said axioms as the basis of their argument. Besides, I am not here to waste time by mincing semantics with people on the internet. This is a thread on philosophy. Objectivism is the only correct philosophy. It's up to the individual to see as far as they can. Some people cannot see far enough, that's called the bell curve. + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2010 00:13 parasaurolophus wrote: You should listen to Daimon, he just owned you pretty hard, you should probably beg for his forgiveness too right about now. Hmm, some random insult from some random scrub who doesn't even understand how I'm right. Yeah, I'll definitely listen to you. (And people think the "cultists of Rand" are unsavoury characters) + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2010 00:41 Drunken.Jedi wrote:I may have slightly oversimplified Objectivist ethics, but the assumption that initiating violence is (almost) always unethical is still at the very centre of Objectivist ethics. In the one page summary that you linked, Rand herself writes that "no man may obtain any values from others by resorting to physical force, and no man may initiate the use of physical force against others." You still have done nothing to show why this assumption is true. You are mistaken. First, the idea that "might makes right" is discussed in depth in Atlas Shrugged. It is not an "assumption," it is a logical proof. Second, the idea of non-violence is not the centre of Objectivism. It is simply a proof. Rational behaviour does not require violence. Might makes right is an accepted logical fallacy after all. + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2010 01:41 Usyless wrote: Ayn Rand is pretty well-known for drawing positively ridiculous inferences from her "axioms". Her moves from trivialities like A=A to political or moral conclusions are chock full of embarrassing non-sequiturs. Similarly, her attempt to justify libertarianism out of basically egoist principles makes some pretty basic errors. Consequently, she isn't taken seriously in philosophy, though she retains a really obnoxious and dogmatic cult (as we can see in this thread). Here's a good critique of Rand that gives her way more credit than she deserves. http://reocities.com/amosapient/rand.html If one wants to read about a sort of neo-aristotelian individualistic egoism it's better to go to Nietzsche, and if one wants a competent defense of libertarianism, it's better to go to someone like Robert Nozick or Jan Narveson. She's also a terrible, bombastic writer but that's neither here nor there. I consider myself to be poorly educated on the subject of how Rand is perceived. I would greatly enjoy if you could provide some sources for these "non-sequiturs" and the "positively ridiculous inferences." As for the link you provided, I will be quite honest: I read that quite some time ago and my recollection tells me that it was another ridiculously flawed argument. Also, the "Rand's case for libertarian rights consists of two phases." (Line 12) automatically invalidates the article. Rand did not support libertarianism. (afaik) + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2010 02:17 XeliN wrote: Rand struck me as an assertive person, the type who typically tries to lead and impose their rhetoric on weak followers. This is entirely from reading about her on wikipedia and admittedly I have never come across her work, although I have never even heard her mentioned in my philosophy classes. The wise man does not judge when he has no information. + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2010 02:21 Usyless wrote:Pretty much. Rand makes logicians cry. But what do logicians know about logic? And what do you know about logic? (This is a rhetorical question.) The problem with Rand, is that she is correct. The reason why this is a problem, is very simple. Much like how a high-school student does not easily comprehend (if at all) a 5th year university math exam, the "average" person does not easily comprehend "higher level logic." (I don't really have a better term off the top of my head.) As convenient as it is for a person to believe their capacity to think is unequaled (or equal to everyone else's), a simply objective observation of the psychology of an "average" person when faced with Objectivism reveals that people, just like in everything else, are not all equal thinkers. Sigh, an now an analogy because of this fact: I'm pretty sure no one will disagree with me that if they train at Starcraft everyday for the next X years, they will not be as good as Flash or <insert progamer here>. All people are capable of different things, to different levels of competence. Thinking is no exception. | ||
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Maji
Australia82 Posts
All I can say is effort you put into doing that post just made your stay on 3rd density longer brother we did previously explain the concequences of such actions. Your 'intention' you should ask yourself why you would do such; it is a imbalance in yourself and is a great example of problem of this world. We will again warn you that your words affect your realitys experience, you may choose to edit post as not to place mockery as it is a tool of a fool. The laughing fool is not happy when his head is cut by his king if he fails to perform for the crowd. Adonai bless | ||
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