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On July 09 2010 01:36 Hynda wrote:
Wait just a minute. For a person to be considered to have a retardation ie being a retard, (In it's correct form not the random internet insult) they should be under 70 IQ, some countries on that list shows an average of under 70 meaning that it claims some countries are filled with retards (there must be a better word for this, I feel like I'm insulting somone everytime I write it) to such a degree that it has become the norm. That is complete and utter bullshit.
No, it makes perfect sense. The people at < 70 IQ being considered retards is because despite the fact that they have better education/health care/potential for intellectual development because of other conditions they still score as low as people in the countries which don't. However, if you gave the ones from these country the same conditions as the retards they would score much higher than them.
Or at least that's how I take it.
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On July 09 2010 05:16 jello_biafra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 04:55 blankspace wrote:On July 09 2010 03:19 Terranist wrote:On July 09 2010 03:10 Malgrif wrote:
wtf niger has an average iq of 69? doesn't that mean most of their population is retarded? i doubt this study no, it just means their country hasnt adopted western civilization's way of thinking. Although I don't doubt this, I've seen this sort of statement many times before and wonder exactly how the African country's way of thinking is different than western civilization's way. Or more specifically, what aspect of this difference causes them to score significantly lower on the iq tests (which are mostly based on identifying and continuing patterns I would presume). Because they spend their days chilling in the countryside doing nothing instead of doing things like going to school/work, driving, using computers, television, phones etc.
Who would you be referring to?
Obviously you don't think Nigerians just "chill in the countryside" all day do you? lol
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Interesting how the Czech Republic scores best (I think) in the disease rating. Not that I were surprised that they got a good rating, but I would have expected some more central Europe countries to score better then them, after all there is more money to spend on healthcare.
I don't care about intelligence ratings at all. All the tests I have seen value academic intelligence. Sure you can define Intelligence like that and then the correlation is quite clear, as less wealth/peace leads to both less education and worse healthcare. But I don't agree with that definition of intelligence.
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On July 09 2010 05:27 Saturnize wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 05:16 jello_biafra wrote:On July 09 2010 04:55 blankspace wrote:On July 09 2010 03:19 Terranist wrote:On July 09 2010 03:10 Malgrif wrote:
wtf niger has an average iq of 69? doesn't that mean most of their population is retarded? i doubt this study no, it just means their country hasnt adopted western civilization's way of thinking. Although I don't doubt this, I've seen this sort of statement many times before and wonder exactly how the African country's way of thinking is different than western civilization's way. Or more specifically, what aspect of this difference causes them to score significantly lower on the iq tests (which are mostly based on identifying and continuing patterns I would presume). Because they spend their days chilling in the countryside doing nothing instead of doing things like going to school/work, driving, using computers, television, phones etc. Who would you be referring to? Obviously you don't think Nigerians just "chill in the countryside" all day do you? lol
Niger, not Nigeria :O
And obviously not everyone, but the majority of the population, not a whole lot else to do there you know?
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Ok, whatever i thought the Demonym for Niger was Nigerian turns out its Nigerien but that's beside the point. I thought that Nigerien's were people who did a shit ton of work for shit money who had to compete with US farm subsidies. Obviously you can't have a thriving or even decent economy with that kind of stuff in the way now can you?
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What I also found interesting was that there was no significant correlation between average national intelligence and log DALY owing to infectious disease in South America.
Their explanation was that there were 4 out of 23 nations in the South America analysis where the average IQ was much lower than expected in the worldwide trend. They stated that it's possible that local parasites that are not included in the DALY owing to infectious disease variable are causing is.
What do you guys think about the result that there is no significant correlation in South America? Do you agree with their explanation?
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On July 08 2010 19:16 cheeseninja wrote:
Correlation does not imply causation.
Yesss. I forget the specific sociological term that describes a correlation that is misleading because of a set of data, but disease and IQ of the general population cannot be measured with a direct ratio. I believe both disease and IQ are culture-specific.
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On July 09 2010 06:57 larjarse wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2010 19:16 cheeseninja wrote:
Correlation does not imply causation. Yesss. I forget the specific sociological term that describes a correlation that is misleading because of a set of data, but disease and IQ of the general population cannot be measured with a direct ratio. I believe both disease and IQ are culture-specific.
You're like the 5th person in this thread to say that, read the damn article!
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This looks like a brag thread. However I didn't know that Singapore had the highest IQ.
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On July 09 2010 01:12 htennek_mil wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 00:59 konadora wrote:2. Singapore has the highest average intelligence in the world lol no way I wonder if it includes the Singapore PRs when measuring intelligence. Might make sense then 
Aren't you Malaysian? =D
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On July 09 2010 02:18 QibingZero wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 01:41 Beyonder wrote:On July 09 2010 01:26 QibingZero wrote:On July 08 2010 21:41 ooni wrote:
Like this scientist I'll make a hypothesis of my own.
This thread really should have ended here. Bravo sir! How this kind of nonsense made it into a scientific journal, I don't know. When you use terms like 'IQ' and 'intelligence' you imply some inherent genetic difference (making the unspoken insinuation really racist). And yet, if you attribute this intelligence to education instead, the whole idea is one simple truism, hardly worth anyone's time to research and/or argue. Uh, the time where we worry about genetic differences in scientific journals is long past us. It is well accepted that intelligence has large hereditary component and that western & asian folks perform better on intelligence tests than Americans, for example. It's not racist, it's simply the way it is. They try to take this in account by creating 'culture free tests' (read: non-verbal), but even those (e.g., Raven's Progressive Matrices) don't take away the advantage people have. Intelligence tests are by and large a terrible way to determine actual genetic differences, though. Once we have the ability to actually locate real differences in the brain, and isolate the responsible genes, then we can start talking about whether or not there is a statistically significant intelligence difference between peoples that goes beyond nurturing factors. I will bite on this mention of 'western & asian' vs 'Americans' idea you have, though. What do you really mean by that? Is 'western' meant to be western European, and not the west as a whole? Is the majority of America not actually descended from western Europe and Asia? This is a very confusing statement you're making. And obviously racism itself should not impede scientific progress, but you do have to question one's motives for using time and resources to research something like this. I can think of thousands of more relevant and useful subjects to explore. =P
But the point of this study is not genetic differences. What it is saying is that disease is a factor in determining a population's average intelligence. Therefore you could improve the intelligence of humanity as a whole not just by pouring money into education, but also by improving sanitation and health facilities.
And since intellectual development in any country helps the world as a whole, it means that the goal of eradicating poverty and improving living conditions is important for the developed world, where the aid comes from.
So surely this is useful information?
Besides, I don't see how this study is racist. Racist would be if it said some countries are filled with dumb people and there's no way for them or their children to improve. This one says it's not race that results in lower IQs, it's sanitation, which is controllable.
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The intelligence scores came from work carried out earlier this decade by Richard Lynn, a British psychologist, and Tatu Vanhanen, a Finnish political scientist, who analysed IQ studies..
The Lynn/Vanhanen study is just crap anyway so the IQ-part of the chart is useless imo.
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WTF, my IQ has been measured to at least131 and I get sick all the fucking time. I call this bullshit.
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uh yea china has a higher avg iq than germany? many/most(?) ppl in china cant even read afaik lol
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Singaporeans are 150% more likely to cite this article than a Malaysian.
Proof that more Singaporeans read the Economist, emirite?
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What I've read is both frightening and quite funny because you people don't see that IQ does not mean everything for Intelligence. Intelligence, as for general, is a very huge term to come across and IQ is really a failed system to prove how smart humans really are, since in Intelligence, you have to involve creativity, the ability to express yourself emotionally, your language development and alot of other things among that. And the Emotional Intelligence Value(EQ if I'm right), actually means more than IQ since you have to talk to other people and express yourself and tell people how you really feel. And wait a minute, Africa isn't really retarded, that is just a claim that is pretty stupid since Intelligence also has STRONG connections between religion, culture and also how nature looks around the area. Just because we can prove ourselves stronger by inventing things does not necessarily mean that we are smarter since we can still use our inventions in foolish ways. Just because WE are richer does not mean we are proven to be more intelligent, since money makes us greedy even if we are greedy by nature(as read by the Darwin theory of survival of the strongest). IQ is a very foolish way to measure intelligence, since it really just shows us how smart we are in logic, but logic means very little. Excuse me, but health/diseases have a very little affection of our intelligence. Sure, if you are a looser, don't have a job and lives on trash food and doesn't exercise well and read the news you get dumb, but doesn't make you retarded. You may still express yourself much more emotionally than most intelligent people do, and just because you're handicapped or(as IQ says) retarded doesn't mean you're dumb because you can still understand alot more than people with averege IQ does since you use different parts of the brain that normal people might use very little of to express yourself in another way. All your ideas can pretty much be trashed, since saying you're smart by proving your IQ is like saying you're a man just because you've fucked someone.
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oh the economist we all know how well you display facts...
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On July 09 2010 19:52 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:
uh yea china has a higher avg iq than germany? many/most(?) ppl in china cant even read afaik lol
obviously a random sample conducted by those willings to be in a random sample in major metropolitan area's then extrapolated to fit the rest of the population is a clear representation of china. it's so clear for anyone who knows how statistics and psychology works in gathering data.That or China's government just provided their countries IQ*
*Chinese citizens IQ is determined by the state upon birth by relations to other heads of state
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I am surprised you did not read my post, but ignored it completely. IQ is pretty much a trashed failed system.
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Haha yes to equation the complexity that is human life and capacity is an injustice in itself. As one can not so clearly be defined by a numerical value that is merely adjusted to fit a curve. And it is truly appalling to find anyone equating ones capabilities for cognitive though a mere test as life is not always dealing with the intangible vice versa.
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Then why are you rambling on about IQ anyway??? It is sad to see that some people, older than me that's probably in late high school or university can't see that connection between culture, religion and enviroment also has connection with intelligence whilst diseases means very little to intelligence and only affects us very little.
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