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Abductedonut
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States324 Posts
April 09 2013 08:24 GMT
#5621
This doesn't have much to do with programming as it does ranting but here it goes.

Learn touch typing guys. Learn it properly (keys on home row and everything!). There will come a point in your career when you realize that IDEs are trash and that VIM is better than anything that you can find for text editing. And if you don't touch type it will be a pain to use.

Heed my warning! Don't be lazy and learn it!
Denar
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1633 Posts
April 09 2013 08:35 GMT
#5622
On April 09 2013 15:34 Terranist wrote:
learning assembly right now. can anyone tell me if this (very) small snippet of code will jump or not? i suspect it would but i still don't fully understand number rings.

+ Show Spoiler +

mov ax,32770d
cmp ax,2d
jge xyz ;


Well, cmp does 0x8002 - 0x0002 which gives 0x8000 as a result (discarded) which is negative, thus sets the sign flag SF at 1

jge jumps if SF=0, thus you won't jump here
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
April 09 2013 08:39 GMT
#5623
On April 09 2013 17:24 Abductedonut wrote:
This doesn't have much to do with programming as it does ranting but here it goes.

Learn touch typing guys. Learn it properly (keys on home row and everything!). There will come a point in your career when you realize that IDEs are trash and that VIM is better than anything that you can find for text editing. And if you don't touch type it will be a pain to use.

Heed my warning! Don't be lazy and learn it!

I agree that learning to touch type is awesome for a programmer, but I don't know about that vim comment. Vim is certainly an amazing editor if you're good at it (as is emacs), but in some development, it's not as fitting. Especially if you work with microsoft technologies like C#, ASP.Net etc, you're going to want to use Visual Studio regardless.

That said, there are apparently some pretty sweet vim bindings for visual studio, but you have to pay for them.
gyth
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
657 Posts
April 09 2013 15:44 GMT
#5624
On April 09 2013 17:24 Abductedonut wrote:
Learn touch typing guys. Learn it properly (keys on home row and everything!). There will come a point in your career when you realize that IDEs are trash and that VIM is better than anything that you can find for text editing. And if you don't touch type it will be a pain to use.

And then when the carpal tunnel sets in you can learn to code by voice.
The plural of anecdote is not data.
leser
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia239 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-09 19:53:06
April 09 2013 19:52 GMT
#5625
hey guys. I'm having some trouble finishing an excercise.

basically the assingment is this:

1 master process, it spawns n=(2..5) child processes.

master process creates n pipes, reads a file line by line and sends a read line to a random child process which is then supposed to write the line recieved to n.txt.

now, i've synchronized the processes correctly with SIGSTOP, SIGCONT, waitpid() and everything, but i'm having problems finishing the process.

according to our lab instructions, the read() function I use to read from a pipe is supposed to wait for data if the pipe is empty, return -1 if there was an error or return 0 if the write end of the pipe is closed.

so, my child process has a kill(getpid(), SIGSTOP) just before reading from pipe and everything seems to be executing properly until :

master is done reading from input file, children are SIGSTOPPed. master closes write ends of all pipes, continues children, which are supposed to get a 0 result from the read function, and if accordingly (basically, fclose and exit)

what happens instead is that the children hang on read() like i've never closed the read end.

I guess I could "manually" stop the children on something like an empty string or something similar, but I'd rather do it the "right" way.

any help is appreciated.

code (probably pretty awful) here http://pastebin.com/2h1TYkMN
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
April 10 2013 03:34 GMT
#5626
On April 10 2013 00:44 gyth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 17:24 Abductedonut wrote:
Learn touch typing guys. Learn it properly (keys on home row and everything!). There will come a point in your career when you realize that IDEs are trash and that VIM is better than anything that you can find for text editing. And if you don't touch type it will be a pain to use.

And then when the carpal tunnel sets in you can learn to code by voice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SkdfdXWYaI

This looks really cool but I think there would be many problems. I know that Dragon is very fast once you get used to it but it can't be a substitute to coding by hand. Rather it might make basic tasks faster.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
April 10 2013 03:37 GMT
#5627
On April 09 2013 17:35 Denar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 15:34 Terranist wrote:
learning assembly right now. can anyone tell me if this (very) small snippet of code will jump or not? i suspect it would but i still don't fully understand number rings.

+ Show Spoiler +

mov ax,32770d
cmp ax,2d
jge xyz ;


Well, cmp does 0x8002 - 0x0002 which gives 0x8000 as a result (discarded) which is negative, thus sets the sign flag SF at 1

jge jumps if SF=0, thus you won't jump here


thanks.
The Show of a Lifetime
phar
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1080 Posts
April 10 2013 07:40 GMT
#5628
On April 10 2013 12:34 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 00:44 gyth wrote:
On April 09 2013 17:24 Abductedonut wrote:
Learn touch typing guys. Learn it properly (keys on home row and everything!). There will come a point in your career when you realize that IDEs are trash and that VIM is better than anything that you can find for text editing. And if you don't touch type it will be a pain to use.

And then when the carpal tunnel sets in you can learn to code by voice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SkdfdXWYaI

This looks really cool but I think there would be many problems. I know that Dragon is very fast once you get used to it but it can't be a substitute to coding by hand. Rather it might make basic tasks faster.

Yea that looks like it needs a lot of work. No way are you going to be cranking out a thousand lines a week doing that, with refactoring and debugging on top of it.
Who after all is today speaking about the destruction of the Armenians?
Confuse
Profile Joined October 2009
2238 Posts
April 10 2013 19:30 GMT
#5629
Just wanted to say I really enjoyed reading through some of the guides/references in the op (in particular ProjectEuler is pretty fun). I was wondering, is there any good suggestions for a database practice that would be similar? I took a course in college but a refresher would be really nice. Of course I tried the google approach but nothing quite like ProjectEuler. Anyone know of anything similar? Would be most appreciated.

Thanks!
If we fear what we do not understand, then why is ignorance bliss?
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
April 11 2013 06:04 GMT
#5630
Hey guys, I'm a freshman computer engineer who has taken mostly C++ classes (well, only, haha) in college so far. I took Java for one year in high school. I'm interning with IBM this summer as a software engineer, but it's entirely in Java. They don't expect me to have a ton of experience, but I need to get my head back in "java mode" so to speak. Does anybody know a good place to do this? Are there any free websites/books (or cheap recommended ones) that cover basic to more technical concepts in Java? The guides on the OP seem more like beginner stuff.

I think I know enough about Java/C++ in general to understand the beginner stuff, but I'm looking for more on how more technical things are implemented so that I can get used to the differences between it and C++ for my internship. Stuff like that. If nothing like a java guide exists, (for example, we are using Stroustrup's Principles and Practice, which is a basic C++ guide) that covers both basic knowledge as well as implementation on it. Is there anything relatively equivalent in Java?
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Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
April 11 2013 06:18 GMT
#5631
On April 09 2013 17:24 Abductedonut wrote:
This doesn't have much to do with programming as it does ranting but here it goes.

Learn touch typing guys. Learn it properly (keys on home row and everything!). There will come a point in your career when you realize that IDEs are trash and that VIM is better than anything that you can find for text editing. And if you don't touch type it will be a pain to use.

Heed my warning! Don't be lazy and learn it!


Do you also use gentoo linux and only code in terminals?
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tec27
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States3696 Posts
April 11 2013 07:01 GMT
#5632
On April 11 2013 15:18 Megaliskuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 17:24 Abductedonut wrote:
This doesn't have much to do with programming as it does ranting but here it goes.

Learn touch typing guys. Learn it properly (keys on home row and everything!). There will come a point in your career when you realize that IDEs are trash and that VIM is better than anything that you can find for text editing. And if you don't touch type it will be a pain to use.

Heed my warning! Don't be lazy and learn it!


Do you also use gentoo linux and only code in terminals?

Don't really see why the hyperbole is necessary. Vim is still used by many people because it is, in fact, a wonderful editor. Eclipse, Visual Studio, or whatever other IDE you may use aren't really upgrades from it, their editing powers are assuredly inferior. They are better in some tangential aspects (project-wide refactoring, auto-completion/assistance, etc.) but in many cases these things are not worth giving up the power of vim to use.
Can you jam with the console cowboys in cyberspace?
phar
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1080 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 07:16:07
April 11 2013 07:13 GMT
#5633
On April 11 2013 15:04 Alryk wrote:
Hey guys, I'm a freshman computer engineer who has taken mostly C++ classes (well, only, haha) in college so far. I took Java for one year in high school. I'm interning with IBM this summer as a software engineer, but it's entirely in Java. They don't expect me to have a ton of experience, but I need to get my head back in "java mode" so to speak. Does anybody know a good place to do this? Are there any free websites/books (or cheap recommended ones) that cover basic to more technical concepts in Java? The guides on the OP seem more like beginner stuff.

I think I know enough about Java/C++ in general to understand the beginner stuff, but I'm looking for more on how more technical things are implemented so that I can get used to the differences between it and C++ for my internship. Stuff like that. If nothing like a java guide exists, (for example, we are using Stroustrup's Principles and Practice, which is a basic C++ guide) that covers both basic knowledge as well as implementation on it. Is there anything relatively equivalent in Java?

Effective Java. Read that. Don't bother memorizing too much shit or pouring over it too much, but at least be familiar with the concepts, and more importantly remember enough to know where to look up later. I don't know what IBM's java codebase is like, but the ideas in Effective Java are pretty transferable.

On April 11 2013 15:18 Megaliskuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 17:24 Abductedonut wrote:
This doesn't have much to do with programming as it does ranting but here it goes.

Learn touch typing guys. Learn it properly (keys on home row and everything!). There will come a point in your career when you realize that IDEs are trash and that VIM is better than anything that you can find for text editing. And if you don't touch type it will be a pain to use.

Heed my warning! Don't be lazy and learn it!


Do you also use gentoo linux and only code in terminals?


Doesn't matter what you use, touch typing will help you immensely if coding is your job. Eventually the hard part becomes the design, and to a lesser extent debugging. All that writing of code in the middle is just translating stuff you already have figured out in your brain into actual code. The faster you can get that process done with, the more time you have available to actually be productive.


And oh god I cannot imagine doing my job without auto import. Remembering
import ab.cd.ef.gh.ij.kl.Foo.Factory.asdfasdffuckthisshit;
? Lol no.
Who after all is today speaking about the destruction of the Armenians?
tec27
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States3696 Posts
April 11 2013 07:39 GMT
#5634
On April 11 2013 16:13 phar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 15:18 Megaliskuu wrote:
On April 09 2013 17:24 Abductedonut wrote:
This doesn't have much to do with programming as it does ranting but here it goes.

Learn touch typing guys. Learn it properly (keys on home row and everything!). There will come a point in your career when you realize that IDEs are trash and that VIM is better than anything that you can find for text editing. And if you don't touch type it will be a pain to use.

Heed my warning! Don't be lazy and learn it!


Do you also use gentoo linux and only code in terminals?


Doesn't matter what you use, touch typing will help you immensely if coding is your job. Eventually the hard part becomes the design, and to a lesser extent debugging. All that writing of code in the middle is just translating stuff you already have figured out in your brain into actual code. The faster you can get that process done with, the more time you have available to actually be productive.


And oh god I cannot imagine doing my job without auto import. Remembering
import ab.cd.ef.gh.ij.kl.Foo.Factory.asdfasdffuckthisshit;
? Lol no.

Yes, Java is dumb Happy birthday!
Can you jam with the console cowboys in cyberspace?
phar
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1080 Posts
April 11 2013 08:00 GMT
#5635
o shit it's my birthday, didn't even realize it. ha, thanks
Who after all is today speaking about the destruction of the Armenians?
AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2577 Posts
April 11 2013 09:59 GMT
#5636
On April 11 2013 16:13 phar wrote:
Doesn't matter what you use, touch typing will help you immensely if coding is your job. Eventually the hard part becomes the design, and to a lesser extent debugging. All that writing of code in the middle is just translating stuff you already have figured out in your brain into actual code. The faster you can get that process done with, the more time you have available to actually be productive.

I agree about touch-typing being hugely helpful, but if you use a computer all day, you can learn to touch type basically just by not looking at the keyboard. If you've been using a computer for years, and are still looking at your fingers, you probably can already touch type and just haven't realized it yet.

I'm mostly posting, though, to agree very very much with your second point. I've started consciously referring to the writing code part of my job as "typing" rather than "programming", because by the point you're actually writing code, you should have already solved the overarching problem that you're dealing with. If you find yourself typing and haven't already solved the problem you're working on, then you're almost certainly not going to write a good solution. Which isn't to say you should have every line of code figured out in advance, since there are obviously a million miniproblems that you solve as you write code, just that I've observed a tendency among programmers to start typing much too early in the programming process.
The frumious Bandersnatch
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
April 11 2013 10:13 GMT
#5637
On April 11 2013 16:01 tec27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 15:18 Megaliskuu wrote:
On April 09 2013 17:24 Abductedonut wrote:
This doesn't have much to do with programming as it does ranting but here it goes.

Learn touch typing guys. Learn it properly (keys on home row and everything!). There will come a point in your career when you realize that IDEs are trash and that VIM is better than anything that you can find for text editing. And if you don't touch type it will be a pain to use.

Heed my warning! Don't be lazy and learn it!


Do you also use gentoo linux and only code in terminals?

Don't really see why the hyperbole is necessary. Vim is still used by many people because it is, in fact, a wonderful editor. Eclipse, Visual Studio, or whatever other IDE you may use aren't really upgrades from it, their editing powers are assuredly inferior. They are better in some tangential aspects (project-wide refactoring, auto-completion/assistance, etc.) but in many cases these things are not worth giving up the power of vim to use.


I used VIM for years and i still use it for a lot of my non-C# programming.
However, i always wish i had Visual Studio instead.

VIM is great and all but a good IDE speeds up programming a lot and makes it a lot easier to navigate a bigger project.
VS also has a lot of nice editing options that most people don't know about, e.g. recording and repeating macros on-the-fly similar to VIM.
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 12:55:19
April 11 2013 12:54 GMT
#5638
Hi Guys, can anyone please help me? I need some help making adjustments to a Visual Basic code, I figured this would be the best place to ask. Basically a programmer has written a program to import xml data in a set of box's, but there is a node(?) that sometimes doesn't exist. When this is the case I need the box to display a "0".

+ Show Spoiler +

SetDialogProperty>Dialog1,edit74,text,%antwoord%
let>zoekterm=/Records/revisi
Hamster1800
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States175 Posts
April 11 2013 13:13 GMT
#5639
On April 11 2013 15:18 Megaliskuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 17:24 Abductedonut wrote:
This doesn't have much to do with programming as it does ranting but here it goes.

Learn touch typing guys. Learn it properly (keys on home row and everything!). There will come a point in your career when you realize that IDEs are trash and that VIM is better than anything that you can find for text editing. And if you don't touch type it will be a pain to use.

Heed my warning! Don't be lazy and learn it!


Do you also use gentoo linux and only code in terminals?


There was a time that this actually did describe me. Now only really the latter half is true (technically my computers still have gentoo on them but I don't actively keep everything up to date).
D is for Diamond, E is for Everything Else
Zeke50100
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2220 Posts
April 11 2013 14:42 GMT
#5640
On April 11 2013 16:01 tec27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2013 15:18 Megaliskuu wrote:
On April 09 2013 17:24 Abductedonut wrote:
This doesn't have much to do with programming as it does ranting but here it goes.

Learn touch typing guys. Learn it properly (keys on home row and everything!). There will come a point in your career when you realize that IDEs are trash and that VIM is better than anything that you can find for text editing. And if you don't touch type it will be a pain to use.

Heed my warning! Don't be lazy and learn it!


Do you also use gentoo linux and only code in terminals?

Don't really see why the hyperbole is necessary. Vim is still used by many people because it is, in fact, a wonderful editor. Eclipse, Visual Studio, or whatever other IDE you may use aren't really upgrades from it, their editing powers are assuredly inferior. They are better in some tangential aspects (project-wide refactoring, auto-completion/assistance, etc.) but in many cases these things are not worth giving up the power of vim to use.


Qt Creator is by far superior to any other code-editing tool when it comes to using the Qt framework, Visual Studio is easily the most powerful option for C#/.NET development (and even has Vim-editing mode extensions), and, most of all, Vim is a text editor. Saying "Vim is better than IDEs" is absolutely ridiculous because "IDE" and "Vim" are not even within the same categories.

Also, if a large majority of your time is spent refactoring code or extensively using particular libraries, the tools available in an IDE's editor can certainly outweigh the "loss" of not using Vim (which, again, might be a non-issue if you're using Vim-mode to begin with).
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